Student Arrested, Tasered at Kerry Event

Hey idiot with the kitty playing guitar. You don't need to start spreading information about this guys background. This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with whether this guy likes taping practical jokes or thinks he's god. He did nothing wrong. In fact he did something right. He made his voice heard regarding relevant issues intentionally avoided by Kerry... he did the job our journalists aren't doing, and for that he gets taken down, tazered and arrested. This is terrible, and guitar kitty guy spreads cynical apathy like some MTV poster idiot. Get angry kitty man! Don't trivialize the death of our country! Feel the utter disgust that instinctively surfaces when you watch this! What's wrong with you people?

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I wonder how Kerry's ticket sells went, sheeese, I'm a loser too, yet no one pays me to speak anywhere.

reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

imho the man did abuse his right to free speech

You have people like Fred Phelps who can run around and make his right to free speech, no one tasers him!!! WTH is wrong with you people????

Not to twist this and make it another issue, but free speech is just that!!
You can say what you feel!!!

Phelps is proof that even hate speech is free speech, they havent shut him up yet have they??? Whats good for one, is good for another.. ya know!

You have people being protected to come a picket peoples funerals!!
And yet this man can not ask a question with passion?

Sure he was heated, but we all are, when it comes down to asking a question which they evade and slip and slide all the time.. its very frustrating to the young kids today.. and thats good!! He is not sitting around eating potatoe chips on the Xbox360!! He is out saying what is on his and our minds.. and they taser him for it!!! This is serious folks!

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After thought,
opps, I forgot he really didn't lose,

Originally posted by zysin5
reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

 

imho the man did abuse his right to free speech

You have people like Fred Phelps who can run around and make his right to free speech, no one tasers him!!! WTH is wrong with you people????

Not to twist this and make it another issue, but free speech is just that!!
You can say what you feel!!!

Phelps is proof that even hate speech is free speech, they havent shut him up yet have they??? Whats good for one, is good for another.. ya know!

the man has every right to make a banner stand outside this meeting and protest his views..

However he decided to conform to the format of the meeting and then when his time ran out was asked to stop and didn't.. he could have stoppped .. donned his protesting gear and continued this peacfully ..

i do understand your viewpoint tho i said 'only slightly abused the right to free speech' it was a minor infraction and did not warrnt his treatment..

although you have the right to free speech would you be ok if i came around to where your family lived and started firing these questions directly at you.... NO be honest that would not be ok .. but if i got a banner and paraded outside your house expressing my views .. well thatsfine in my book as long as no one gets hurt.

oh and ty for quoting half my sentence .. jumping on half a point taken out of context..that is what is wrong with everyone and why after 4-5 pages of discussion on any topic it suddenly degrades into non-productive drivel.

[edit on 18/9/07 by Quantum_Squirrel]

No, the way he was questioning Kerry was not right.
But the way that he was manhandled and then tazered was absolutely ridiculous.
Who was in the GREATER wrong?
the cops.

b

the man has every right to make a banner stand outside this meeting and protest his views..

You have to have a permit now to protest vs government now.. They will shut you down.. 300feet froma governmental building you can not protest, they will arrest you! Right? or is that disinfo?

although you have the right to free speech would you be ok if i came around to where your family lived and started firing these questions directly at you.... NO be honest that would not be ok .. but if i got a banner and paraded outside your house expressing my views .. well thatsfine in my book as long as no one gets hurt.

Honestly no I wouldnt like it.. Im not calling you out or saying I higly disagee with you.. I was just saying

oh and ty for quoting half my sentence .. jumping on half a point taken out of context..that is what is wrong with everyone and why after 4-5 pages of discussion on any topic it suddenly degrades into non-productive drivel.

Your right, I wasnt trying to pick you out Quantum_Squirrel, I like what you have to say on here.. I just was making a point of freespeech stuff..
Everything else you have posted we pretty much are on the same page..
Its just this makes hulk angry!!! and I start drivle.

Zysin5

i gotta say in a perfect world i agree with you 100% when i first watched this video 'disgusting' is the only word i can think of ...

i am just playing devils advocate slightly as even tho you are totally correct in you anaylasis of free speech ... that is in an ideal world .. and the world/ country you live in (not i) is very far from an ideal world at this moment in time .. unfortunatly to stop things descending into anarchy certain laws/rules have to be inplace otherwise there will be no one left to defend your right to freedom of speech .. pure anarchy would ensue..

But i do agree with you!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by geemony
Well ill tell you Boon the day they come to my world and stop me from living freely, ill fight for freedom. But I have all my rights and I don’t see them taking any right away from me personally. And until they take my personal rights away I couldn’t care less how many uppity school kids have to get tazed to teach them that there are rules of conduct in society.

oh god the irony has rendered me speechless.

Why should I care about your rights? What do they have to do with me?

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Risking the student's life over what he was saying is a joke. Granted he should have not been resisting so much, he shouldn't have had to in the first place.

The sad thing is that upon evaluation of the police force used, I can pretty much guarantee that their use of force will be considered "justified".

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You have to have a permit now to protest vs government now.. They will shut you down.. 300feet froma governmental building you can not protest, they will arrest you! Right? or is that disinfo?

now as a citizen of the u.k i am not 100% up on this but from my limited viewpoint i thought this was only in effect in New york?

if it is within 300 yards of any government building then you guys have got a real problem .....if u dont think i want all you Americans to stand up and do something pls view one of my threads that i am most proud of ...

When will you stand up for your country?

pls ignore the blatant clinton mistake at the begining of this thread the question at the bottom is what it was all about!!

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ok....

then again, agreed 100%...

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
imho the man did abuse his right to free speech .. but only ever so slightly..

Abuse? you cant abuse a right, the only Constitutional limitation on any rights are when you use those rights to violate another individuals rights...

You can abuse a privilege but not a right, Rights and privileges are separate things which often get strung together thus the reason we have lost a lot when it comes to our rights...

quantum, what question are you talking about?

you're saying he 'fired' it at him but kerry was saying, as they were grabbing him up that "it's alright"...
come on....

reply to post by MasterRegal


You may want to watch the video a couple more times. He held his arms straight up in the air. He asked to not be touched. He may have an OCD like "Monk" where he dislikes being touched.

He was armed with a book. Watch out ... those pesky books are serious weapons ... they make a very potent mind.

Anyone who agrees with the police actions are SICK. When you have 6+ officers laying on someone, it shouldn't be too hard to cuff and/or shackle someone.

Why is someone being arrested for asking serious questions? Why are the people cheering.

On our news, since this is somewhat local for me ... the story immediately cut to another tasering where a suicidal person was tasered, the lighter in their shirt pocket exploded and they have severe burns on a large portion of their torso.

It seem our local news is appauled by the tasering. Remember, not too long ago, in the same city ... a police officer tasered a pregnant woman twice in the stomach.

This is absolutely ridiculous. They should take all the weapons away from officers until they can go through some serious mental evaluations.

I am proud the local news and people here are waking up to the abuse.

I wish all of you could, but that is asking for too much at once.

There will be a time where even the police will not be trusted by the common citizen, it is happening in Florida right now. The churches, the elderly, the youth, the working class ... I have heard, talked to, watched on the news and read in the paper ... a lot of them see the tyranny of everyday life, and are utterly sick of it.

I guess some people have no empathy and no convictions ... so unless it happens to them ... or maybe their son, father, sister, daughter, mother, wife, husband, etc ... they cannot open their eyes ... well, I guess one thing about the people here ... they can rally together, even if normally they are pissy from the heat.

My spirits are very lifted by how well a lot of people are reacting to the recent events ... I think our votes in Florida not counting is something that put a shock into a lot of people and woke them up ... whatever it takes to wake from your complacent slumber, so be it. It is better to be shocked a little and know you must stand up for yourself, your loved ones, your neighbors, and your fellow citizens rights ... than to allow yourself to be lulled into a slumber of control, apathy, and helplessness.

It wouldn't be too funny if you were tasered, jumped on by a mob/gang of cops because you said something someone didn't like ... you were ignored ... and this issue was serious to you. Though, if you have nothing you care about, I guess you could never understand anything. You first must feel passion to understand others. You must care and persue something to know what it is like. You must face rejection and dismissal about your passion to understand how irritating it is when your points and worries are valid. But, if you don't feel anything, care about anything, nor persued anything ... nothing would matter, and no transgressions against someone with feelings and a heart would seem very grand ... because those with passion and are willing to take action peacefully with their voice on those actions seem like extremists to your emotionless existence.

THIS WILL KEEP GOING ON UNTILL THE PEOPLE IN AMERICA CHANGE

You see the people around the person clapping and pretty much encouraging the officers. The officers are simple people (UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVEN) which makes them just like you and me if someone is clapping and encouraging what is going on the person will continue to try to go with the crowd.

I have seen this proven with Psychology and hypnosis plenty of times. FIRST HAND

Originally posted by C0le

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
imho the man did abuse his right to free speech .. but only ever so slightly..

Abuse? you cant abuse a right, the only Constitutional limitation on any rights are when you use those rights to violate another individuals rights...

You can abuse a privilege but not a right, Rights and privileges are separate things which often get strung together thus the reason we have lost a lot when it comes to our rights...

yup your right as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights you are correct. but guess what he did do this when he ran out of time he was infringing on the next person in lines right to have an equal amount of time alloted to his views ..

i don't know why i am arguing for the bad guys here coz i 100% agree that this situation is totally unacceptable i am just trying to point out that things are never black and white .. more like a million shades of grey it has to be like this to please most of the people most of the time wether u like/agree with it or not.

Originally posted by Boondock78
quantum, what question are you talking about?

you're saying he 'fired' it at him but kerry was saying, as they were grabbing him up that "it's alright"...
come on....

the question at the time is irrelevant.. people are arguing for freedom of speech here and you are correct to do so ..but the man was given an out of the ordinary platform to express his views and he ...how can i put it ..moved the goal posts??!!?? like i originally stated i would be much more concerened with the fact that this is police brutality

Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
your right as long as it doesn't infringe on others rights you are correct. but guess what he did do this when he ran out of time he was infringing on the next person in lines right to have an equal amount of time alloted to his views ..

thats quite the logic (or lack thereof). No one had their rights infringed, except for the kid as he was tackled. Freedom of speech does not guarantee a microphone, or attention. I am almost in tears right now trying to avoid the absolute shock I am going through reading these responses.

Originally posted by esdad71
ap.google.com...

A university student with a history of taping his own practical jokes was Tasered by campus police and arrested after loudly and repeatedly trying to ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum.

Wow, that is QUITE the heading! I mean the opening sentence discredits this kid, before you even get a chance to read the article! How awesome is that!


lets break that down even more!

after loudly and repeatedly trying to ask U.S. Senator John Kerry questions during a campus forum.

first of all, asking loudly? He had a microphone! How else would he ask? I saw the video, he wasn't shouting or using a bullhorn. And repeatedly asking questions? Ummm.. i saw the video, and he asked each question once. There were a few questions, yes.

man, that news article is just sickening.

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Don't Make Me Break Out The Taser

Originally posted by freight tomsen
Hey idiot with the kitty playing guitar.

Disagreeing is fine, but there's no need for name-calling.

Just be cool, bro.