9/11 mystery jet stirs conspiracy theories

sounds to me like the location of this spook plane on 911, and its peripherals make it an optimal platform to command or defend a attack like 911.

Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
No, I don't. Nukes are the best kept secret on Earth. There is just too much security and scrutiny around nukes for them to accidentally be loaded in combat positions on an aircraft.

Best kept secret? Or you mean best kept secure?

So let me get this straight, the best explanation is that this plane was put in the air with NO leadership in it, during an attack and flew it so low the plane itself could easily have been identified and attacked. Is that really the best story we can get for this? They couldnt get a fighter up to defend the US but the could get a plane up for no obvious reason to just sit and circle DURING the attack with NO leadership (We know were Bush, Rummy, Dick and most all of the players were at and it wasnt in a plane). Give me a freaking break...

[edit on 13-9-2007 by shug7272]

On sunday I had mentioned to my wife that I saw a huge white passenger type plane flying around seattle area and it was flying extremely fast

no markings and I couldnt tell if it had windows or not but it had me puzzled



oh by the way this is my first post, I registered awhile ago but moved and my mac took a bowel movement

Why would command and control aircraft be able to scramble yet fighters were not? The immediate launch of CC planes would go hand in hand with fighter escort, or fighter CAP.

If the E-4B was the plane in the air, who was in charge of it?We know all of these people were on the ground at the time of the attacks.
I'm not American nor have any clue how protocol would proceed.
The president was in a school,Rumsfeld was having breakfast and I believe the JCS was there (or acting JCS) with him.

"The E-4B serves as the National Airborne Operations Center for the president, secretary of defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff."
This was taken from the link given above on the E-4B

The plane certainly looks like the one described and I distinctly remember seeing it (the plane) on television several times during that day.

If none of these heads were on board who was giving orders and from where? Who is unaccounted for during this time?
Am I off base in my questioning?

OK, you 9/11 conspirators have finally got my attention. Here is solid evidence of something that is not right coming form a reliable news source. Run with it. I don't know if the attacks were the work of the government. I'd say know, but dig deeper and get more evidence like this.

Nukes are the best kept secret on Earth

I meant "Nukes are the most secure things on Earth".

The president was in a school

I read that as "The President was in school"

When the President was told that the second aircraft had hit, even though he was in a school, I would have expected him to at least looked shocked, excuse himself quickly ("I'm very sorry, but I really have to leave now"), and go so he can get straight on his secure phone (which I presume he has in his limousine) to the Pentagon or whoever to find out what is going on. Obviously his CoS had some link in order to be told of what was happening so he could then tell the President.

The President looked way too calm and composed for 10 minutes whilst the US was under attack. I'm surprised the secret service hadn't bundled him into a car (unless I've simply watched too many movies) but the gravity of the situation at the point was severe, with no-one knowing what could happen next. It just doesn't seem right at all.

[edit on 13-9-2007 by mirageofdeceit]

There is nothing new on this video. There is no opinion given by the reporter. This is a dead space filler for a slow news day. I don't understand all the emotion over it.

The plane is clearly of the type they suggested which means it SHOULD BE KEPT SECRET and it being in the air while the US is under attack is its intended purpose. Grabbing at straws I think.

I've watched it three times and at no time does the reporter give an opinion or agree with any Conspiracy Theory. Why are some pretending that is what happened on this tape. Did any of you watch it and listen to what is being said???????????

OP,
You gave no opinion. What is your take on your own post?

LoL, that CNN video is so misleading at times. First it tries to lead the viewer into believing that the mystery plane was the 4th hijacked plane that was shot down (or crashed). Then it gives the 'conspiracy theory' versio (aka the truth) that it was a US MILITARY PLANE (which the military flatly denies despite the obvious video evidence). Then they come up with their OWN ludicrous conspiracy theory that the plane was the executive branch of the government fleeing the ?white house? in case 9/11 escalated into a doomsday scenario???

Ive heard of the 360 degree spin but this is like a 720. This is a good reminder of why I don't watch the TV news.

The fact it was seen right after the second plane hit the WTC makes me think something is not right with that at all.

Features of the E-4B

Air Combat Command is the Air Force single-resource manager for the E-4B, and provides aircrew, maintenance, security and communications support. E-4B operations are directed by the JCS and executed through U.S. Strategic Command. USSTRATCOM also provides personnel for the airborne operations center.

The E-4B, a militarized version of the Boeing 747-200, is a four-engine, swept-wing, long-range, high-altitude airplane capable of being refueled in flight. Its larger size provides approximately triple the floor space of the earlier EC-135 command post.

The main deck is divided into six functional areas: a command work area, conference room, briefing room, an operations team work area, and communications and rest areas. An E-4B crew may include up to 112 people, including a joint-service operations team, an ACC flight crew, a maintenance and security component, a communications team and selected augmentees.

The E-4B has electromagnetic pulse protection, an electrical system designed to support advanced electronics and a wide variety of new communications equipment. Other improvements include nuclear and thermal effects shielding, acoustic control, an improved technical control facility and an upgraded air-conditioning system for cooling electrical components. An advanced satellite communications system improves worldwide communications among strategic and tactical satellite systems and the airborne operations center.

To provide direct support to the president, secretary of defense and the JCS, at least one E-4B is always on alert at one of many selected bases throughout the world.

It would have to have some type of weapons system on it. Be it missles or even a laser system like the ones they use to take out missles in the air.

Possible things it could do. I'm not saying it could do this for a fact. I'm saying it might be a possibility.

1.) It could be used to guide a plane into a building.

2.) If it has a laser weapon system they could use it to take down a plane. Those laser systems work by heating the missles and causing it to explode if I remember correctly. Why couldn't that same thing work by heating up a fuselage on a plane?

Background
The E-4B evolved from the E-4A, which had been in service since late 1974. The first B model was delivered to the Air Force in January 1980, and by 1985 all aircraft were converted to B models. All E-4B are assigned to the 55th Wing, Offutt Air Force Base, Neb.

By 1985 all A models were converted to B models. By 2001 they could have made all kinds of advancements to this plane. You'd think that any plane that may one day have to carry the President and allow him to still control what's going on, has some type of defense system.

Pure speculation by me.

Certain people on here would call it the thoughts of a delusional, paranoid schizophrenic though.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
OP,
You gave no opinion. What is your take on your own post?

1st off. The aircraft are without a doubt, Air Force E-4B's. The detailed comparison in the OP video proves this.

The fact that we have video and eyewitness evidence that there was one of these aircraft above the White House AND The World Trade Center during the attacks clearly suggests some kind of sinister connection.

Who was on the aircraft and why is a big mystery. Were they controlling the attacks, waiting and watching the attacks, or were they taken off their "training mission" and quickly transferred to the attack sites?

If the last is true, and the aircraft were full of good honest soldiers with no hidden agenda, then again we fallback on the fact that there was a secretive training mission going on surrounding the time of the 9-11 attacks and that clearly suggests a sinister connection.

At 0:44 in the OP video the narrator says that secret service was alarmed and pointing at the mystery jets. This is interesting. If these jets were part of the training mission and were part of the military and not some secret faction within or part of the military than surely there would be some legitimate communication throughout the military ranks and on down to the secret service that there are observation aircraft (the white jumbo jet E-4B mystery planes) in the area and not to be alarmed.

The fact that the secret service didnt know about the Mystery White Jumbo Jets suggests that they weren’t in on the 9-11 plot and that the Mystery Planes WERE in on it.

Regarding the Air Force E-4B. Does anyone reading this know where the E-4Bs are usually based? What airport or airbase? How many do they have? I read in a ATS post somewhere that the E-4B fleet is slated to be scrapped in 2012. That post also suggested that this early scrap date was to cover evidence.
With all the 2012 theories out there… add this to the list.

I also note that nowhere in the video do they mention the OTHER white jet which was over the WTC. The video says the white jet footage is a goldmine for conspiracy theorists. Well why aren’t telling anyone that there was more than one of these things flying around? Why did they avoid that lead?

I look at 9-11-01 like a cop would a crime scene.
All leads should be followed up. All clues recorded. All questions answered.
This clearly is not being done by anyone on the Commision or in the Government.

[edit on (9/13/07) by AllSeeingI]

Wikipedia ( I know it's not that reliable) says there were 4 built, and they seemed to be stationed all around but they only have it up to 1994. Wiki says Andres and Offut air bases, but thats up until 1994 so no telling where it was in 01. All of this can be wrong since it is some kind of top secret plane which no one is supposed to know about

Rawstory.com Article on the Cnn Story - More info

Originally posted by racerzeke
Wikipedia ( I know it's not that reliable) says there were 4 built, and they seemed to be stationed all around but they only have it up to 1994. Wiki says Andres and Offut air bases, but thats up until 1994 so no telling where it was in 01. All of this can be wrong since it is some kind of top secret plane which no one is supposed to know about

Wiki E-4B Article

Ok...heres my 2 cents......I could be wrong on the date in questions, but as far as I remember 9/11 ( whick occured while working in San Fernando Valley in L.A) I remember there was a huge story, that during the entire lockdown of the entire countries air space, there was only 1 ONE plane flying......A jumbojet carrying the Bin ladens out of the country.......Could this be it?

reply to post by Steff


I cant resist either, the fact that a similar aircraft should apear at all those locations is phenominally signifigant!....
The entire force (four are in service,none in reserve....))of F4Bs were in the air that day!
How about the times of the sightingss of these planes?If they were spotted in all locations simulaneously or near to that,then all of the entire stock of those babies were in the air!
Surely flight times would prohibit a single aircraft being spotted everywhere that day being the same one!
If such is the case it begins to smack heavily of the back channel powers of the secret service and the JCS were used as control functions, as well as the grain of an idea i have formulated that these airplanes have the sophisticated kind of electronics capability to actually hack into a commercial planes auto pilot and control it from afar....
A large crew would not be nessessary.....
IMHO

Originally posted by Steff
Ok...heres my 2 cents......I could be wrong on the date in questions, but as far as I remember 9/11 ( whick occured while working in San Fernando Valley in L.A) I remember there was a huge story, that during the entire lockdown of the entire countries air space, there was only 1 ONE plane flying......A jumbojet carrying the Bin ladens out of the country.......Could this be it?

I assume Im off track here, since nobody "remembers" the Bin Ladens ever so friendly gettin escorted out of the country....Like I said though, this might've happened sep 12?

reply to post by AllSeeingI


To answer your question about where they're based:

All E-4B are assigned to the 55th Wing, Offutt Air Force Base, Neb.

Factsheets : E-4B : E-4B

Someone said only four of these planes exist right now. Makes you wonder if one plane was used for each attack.


[edit on 14-9-2007 by nightmare_david]