Osama Bin Laden Video Discussion and Updates

reply to post by the titor experience


I understand your point of view.

As for me, I focus more on the danger from Jihad and not on what my own government does because I'm American, and I look out for my own. Pure and simple.

You are Australian (sorry for saying Canada earlier). If I had to choose sides between Islamic Middle East and Australia, I'd choose Australia. It would be easier for me to fit in there and you have TV. Our cultures, our way of speaking and relating, are similar.

If I had to choose sides between Islamic Middle East and China, I'd choose China, because they have a culture I respect, have good food, have beautiful women, decorate with beautiful colors, and make kick ass movies.

I'm 99% sure that if I had to live in the Middle East, I would have a crappy time. People would be afraid of me there, and they would not understand my sense of humor at all. I would not be able to get pizza there, or hang out. There would be no women for me to date. And they'd all want me to give up my heathen ways and convert to Islam, a freakin boring existence.

This is me in my purest form, with no pretense. You are not like me, but I'm sure a lot of people out there are, though they refuse to admit it.

The people who are getting killed in Iraq are good people, but I don't know them. I know America though. I'll stick up for my way of life.

That's why I can't get to mad at Agent Violet. What she posted was awful, but she's too hot for me to get mad at her. So I have feelings of disgust mixed with feelings of attraction. It's such a beautiful internal conflict that cannot happen in many countries.

What a great experience being free is!

Originally posted by windwaker
reply to post by the titor experience

 

I understand your point of view.

As for me, I focus more on the danger from Jihad and not on what my own government does because I'm American, and I look out for my own. Pure and simple.

You are Australian (sorry for saying Canada earlier). If I had to choose sides between Islamic Middle East and Australia, I'd choose Australia. It would be easier for me to fit in there and you have TV. Our cultures, our way of speaking and relating, are similar.

If I had to choose sides between Islamic Middle East and China, I'd choose China, because they have a culture I respect, have good food, have beautiful women, decorate with beautiful colors, and make kick ass movies.

I'm 99% sure that if I had to live in the Middle East, I would have a crappy time. People would be afraid of me there, and they would not understand my sense of humor at all. I would not be able to get pizza there, or hang out. There would be no women for me to date. And they'd all want me to give up my heathen ways and convert to Islam, a freakin boring existence.

This is me in my purest form, with no pretense. You are not like me, but I'm sure a lot of people out there are, though they refuse to admit it.

The people who are getting killed in Iraq are good people, but I don't know them. I know America though. I'll stick up for my way of life.

That's why I can't get to mad at Agent Violet. What she posted was awful, but she's too hot for me to get mad at her. So I have feelings of disgust mixed with feelings of attraction. It's such a beautiful internal conflict that cannot happen in many countries.

What a great experience being free is!

I hope people reading this don't tar all Americans with the same brush.

I know plenty of people from the USA who think with their mind and see with their eyes open, and don't say depressing things like the diatribe above.



[edit on 8-9-2007 by VelvetSplash]

reply to post by VelvetSplash


That's so easy to say when you live in America. Step outside of it for just a short time in a really foreign land (not a country that is Western Civilization-based.) Those sentiments that I expressed will kick in really quickly, when you have no running water, no soap, and have to eat food off of leaves. When you have to sleep on a piece of wood, with lizards crawling on the walls, instead of sleeping comfy in a queen-sized bed.

Try eating rice with your un-washed hands for four days, then tell me how you feel.

I find it very interesting that the news media hasn't spread it all over the TV about the black beard being only allowed in Jihad. After all, they tell the terrorists everything else they need to know to really hurt us at every opportunity they get.

I have been quite frankly appalled at how they tell everyone how weak our border security, port security, Ferry Security, and every other detailed investigation they do to prove how poorly we are really protected.

I am very surprised we haven't been hit harder allready, and I am sure if they wanted to do it they could. IMHO they are just setting us up so they can hit us hard all over the place at once, and they have taken the time to do it right.

Originally posted by agent violet
Amongst other things, he has a great deal of bravery and remarkable leadership. In my opinion he also posesses a vast amount of loyalty to his followers, and I view him as being highly honorable.

Yep the murder of thousands of civilians is truely a honorable deed.

Sorry I'm late all sorts of things cropping up at the last moment...How are we for time?

There you have it, no new threats. Stand down all nuclear weapons. Stop the paranoia, and move on.

did you really think he would add "Oh yes, and we will be nuking Washington D.C. with a suitcase nuke I stole from your B52s. Cake and cookies in the
back."

Originally posted by windwaker
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The people who are getting killed in Iraq are good people, but I don't know them. I know America though. I'll stick up for my way of life.

That's why I can't get to mad at Agent Violet. What she posted was awful, but she's too hot for me to get mad at her. So I have feelings of disgust mixed with feelings of attraction. It's such a beautiful internal conflict that cannot happen in many countries.

What a great experience being free is!

Ha Ha!! Tooo Hot!!! Is that what we have come down to??

This is too much! Enough lurking for me.

#1 If it is a true representation of AV, very nice, she is a most beautiful young lady, but...

#2 This says so much about America. We create our own "mixed feelings" based on our; shall we say "nether regions?

#3 A picture? How is anyone (thinking from the right place) not able to see that perhaps, just maybe, AV is some large dude with an unlit cigar and three to five days growth of fur on his face talking sweet at you??

Okay, back on topic - Focus!! AV and Windwaker may have a point. How many have we Americans killed in the name of what is right? Hiroshima? Nagasaki? Vietnam? Iraq 1 ? Iraq now? Collateral damages? Were they all "terrorists"?

Let the of Sky Eyes begin!!

And the SS. Thread Integrity sailed off into the sunset never to be seen nor heard of again...

I honestly fail to see any need for UBL to go to the trouble to convey a secret signal - whether it be his particular choice of L'Oréal for beards, a new outfit or perhaps even a sly wink for that matter.

He could in fact just simply and plainly issue the command and the worlds media would still bust a testicle to get it on the air asap.

If he has the means to instruct every major cell worldwide to watch out for 'Chocolate Brown #43' on Sept 11 2007 then it pretty much undermines the purpose of needing a secret code.

On a side note, I just want to thank disgustedbyhumanity, FreeThinkerIdealist, the titor experience and agent violet for their contributions to this thread.

reply to post by Implosion

I always thought there was much value in a lot of Chomsky's work, I wonder how people will react to him and his work now that he has received praise from Bin Laden.

Osama no doubt approves of Chomsky's criticisms of Israel as well as his critiques of the relationship between the Bush Administration and the current Saudi leadership. Don't forget that Osama is far more interested in the internal politics of Saudi Arabia than he is in any other policy concern, including the US. He has a very personal stake in the infightings of the Saudi oligarchy and the House of Saud. Despite public posturing, Bush's close ties with some of bin Laden's enemies in Saudi society have done as much as anything else to fuel his anti-Americanism.

As for how people will now respond to Chomsky...well, knee-jerk rightwingers already hated him without reading him. Pseudo-revolutionary undergrads already loved him without reading him. People will continue to be cheerleaders for whichever side they support, without reading him. People like you, who have read his work, will continue to make up their own minds.

I do think bin Laden gets a kick out of causing trouble for people just by mentioning their names.

i can just say everythign he says is right in my opinion (except i will never convert to this islam... nonono!!!) and i ask everybody to read his full speech. edit:[ahh, i didnt find ...] found it..


interesting how the misspelling "...despite it being the being the major state..."
is copied by everyone. if its not a misspelling and im am wrong, i am sorry if so.

[edit on 8/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

Originally posted by Boondock78
dude, you don't know what a terrorist is gonna do...9/11 would be just as good a time as 1/17

Dude, thats my birthday, WEAK!

umm, is there any transcript in text-form?
its hard to read.. or somone has the ability to make a quick OCR text cecognition of that pdf?

anyway, what he is saying in short means
-if we dont move our ass and do something active against those miseries, and that happens most of the time if we are not directly involved in something WE DO NOTHING but just "oh, thats not nice" and do things that are kind of unholy or just serve our nearest, unnecessary needs, so to speak, someday we get inflicted and then it will be a lot worse than now.


[edit on 8/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

Hmm... just noticed something of particular interest in the speech:

"... you permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent - to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then you claim to be innocent! This innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th - were I to claim such a thing."

This, I believe, is the closest he's come to actually admitting personal complicity in the 9/11 attacks. As I understand it, he's never claimed personal responsibility in any form previously.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

This thread was taken on a journey that went far from the topic at hand, and dwelled on person thoughts, and who one admires. We have spun out of control on this thread, this has accounted on the most amount of staff comments to play nice ever. Rather then focus on peoples opinion, because whats the point, lets really look at the video, we can have a nice discustion with people fighting each other.

The Key compent here is the beard. The thirty some odd minties that he rambles on about dont have much meaning at all, besides sounding like talking points for the DNC. What happen to the beard, how can this be interpreted. It is custom before going to commit a jihad to shave/cut thier hair before doing it.

Is this sign of giveing the 'cut' the hair, and the dye is a signle to 'die'?

If this thread continues like it has for the past 10 hours, it most likly will not stay open, lets commit our selfs to finding out the truth behind this video, reguardless of any other opinion conserning details/opinions of the video. Wheather or not Osama is dead or not is not revalent to the disscusstion of the video.

Originally posted by BitRaiser
Hmm... just noticed something of particular interest in the speech:

"... you permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent - to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Then you claim to be innocent! This innocence of yours is like my innocence of the blood of your sons on the 11th - were I to claim such a thing."

This, I believe, is the closest he's come to actually admitting personal complicity in the 9/11 attacks. As I understand it, he's never claimed personal responsibility in any form previously.

Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

i dont understand what he is saying.. is he saying that the american people are NOT innocent? and if someone had the right to claim innocence he would have more right but he DOES NOT?
but if he says "if i were to claim". that means he isnt claiming, he is innocent..


but i am going to look into this:
"And if you would like to get to know some of the reasons for your losing of your war against us, then read the book of Michael Scheuer in this regard"

[edit on 8/9/2007 by rxnnxs]

Originally posted by UM_Gazz

Is it really him?

That is almost an impossible question to answer because all the evidence that has been made public might be called hearsay . There is no way of knowing if the real Bin Laden appeared in previous video.

Is it verifiably current?

That question is subjective do you mean current as up to date with 24 hour news networks or just up to date with current event ?

Buy urging us to embrace Islam is he attempting to achieve a religious requirement prior to attacking us?

Huh ?
Maybe he is trying to appeal to extremist Muslims in places like Australia and the UK.

Exactly what is he saying in these words here:

"You permitted Bush to complete his first term, and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent - to continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Its quiet simple extremists always an appointed enemy so they can justifie(SP?) there actions. The Naizs had the Jews and Communists and recently the American right has had anyone with an ounch of sense and so called Liberals.

There are two solutions to stopping it. One is from our side, and it is to escalate the fighting and killing against you." -- Osama Bin Laden Septemeber 2007

Bring it on once sufficient resources become available the war in Afghanistan will be won by the coalition. Something that the media widely failed to report is that the amount of opium been grown has fallen in the more stable areas of northern Afghanistan.

my guess is that the black beard of Bin Laden is a "go" signal.

remember that somebody has bet $4.5 billion on the markets crashing in September - a Bin Laden trade?

www.anomalicresearch.com...

The views and statements in the tape reflect a typical terrorist message.

The Provisional IRA use to do it all the time. They declared anything linked to the British state as a legitimate target, whether you was a civil servant or a cleaner in a government office, you was a target for the IRA.

Now, with this tape of Bin Laden, he is saying the same thing. He talks about the American people electing Bush and giving him a mandate for a second term. In other words, he is saying you are to blame for the President actions in Iraq and Afghanistan and in response to this, your are now legitimate targets.

As for America converting to Islam, again, typical terrorist propaganda. IRA, ETA and left wing groups of Europe use to release messages to the press for the civilian population to rally around their cause and fight their government. That's what Al Qaeda is trying to do. He wants you to join them.

In other words, it's a sick peace offering. Your choice is convert to his "struggle" and join him, or become a target.

he is also saying we are responsible for our politicians - and if they do not do what we want them to do, we have to do something against it.

and if we are not respponsible for them, than we don't have the right to say it is a democracy and we should actively do something against that.

in both ways, and only one of them can be right - we all should do actively something. for me i am guilty. i am not doing anything against this :-(

also if we would believe in god and act as the bible says, there would not happen such a crime.