EU urges Texas to end executions

Well I admit I don't know that much about these kind of politics, but is just expressing their concern the ONLY thing they can do? I mean, we all know that the State is probably not going to take any notice of them, so surely the EU does too.

I agree with the poster that the EU should take our death row inmates and give them a life long prison cell if they really want to stop it. We are only talking 3500 and about 200 more per year.

At some point instead of blaming everyone/thing but the criminal maybe we should blame the criminal for their actions.

Originally posted by Rapture404
What business is it of the EU???

I nearly spat out my tea....

I guess it's a bit like saying 'What business does the US have in messing with Iraq or Kosovo...

Heh.. sorry about the tea, didn't mean for that to happen.


I feel that the US had no business going back to Iraq but it happened anyway.

There's many things I don't like- but me one person what can I do? Writing letters to my state senators won't help, its like I'm wasting my time.

Its clear to me the US has allot to clean up on its own shores- but it won't happen thanks to our President.

I see alot of people getting annoyed about the EU interfering in US affairs, and it's a fair point. No matter how cleary stupid it is to have executions it's really none of our (British) Eu's bussiness.

Mabye America could stop interfering in everyone's politics and cultures Im laughing becasue it's never going to happen!!!!

People that kill other people are monsters no matter what the reason might be. The only time when this is okay to do ...is in self defence, other than that it's just another murdurer.
This is not an issue only with humans but with animals too, ohh his so cute, nice doggy, let's put him to sleep...."because no one wants it"
When I think about United States now days all I see is guns, people geting killed, United States should shake hands with China, Iran, and other few ones that do this since they are the few in this world that do this.

The EU says this, Texas says that, Europeans are this, Americans are that blah blah blah blah.

I'm a Brit. The EU no more speaks for me than the man on the moon. Same goes with the UK government. And the local council. They ask for my vote once every four of five years then disappear without trace until the next time. And I guess it's the same for US citizens too.

The EU should not have approached the state government in Texas. If they had any organisation to approach it ought to have been the US Federal government/State Department. But why is the EU even making diplomatic overtures to anyone ? It's not a homogenous single country, with one parliament, head of state, judiciary or any of the other trappings which define the nation state. It's a rag bag group of umpteen different countries each with their own foreign policy,culture, traditions and electorates.

Most Brits, if given the chance (which they never will be), would vote for the re-introduction of hanging. That's not to say I would vote for it. But a clear majority would. But they'll never get the chance to vote on it. It's either Labour/Conservative here or Socialist/Christian Democrat or Democrat/Republican and it's the same old tired politicos the world over.

I don't think the people of this world have ever been as cut out of the democratic system as they are now.

I despair of seeing the way individuals here are taunted by some because of the actions of their governments now or generations ago. "STFU you'd be speaking German if it weren't for us" - "us" - as if many posters here were fighting the good fight during WW2.

Or "your argument is crap because of wht the USA did at Abu Ghraib", as if any ordinary Joe in the USA had a say in that or any other foreign policy decision over the last 6 years. Most of us are just ordinary people going about our daily lives and apart from a hanging chad or an X in the box perhaps only ten times in our entire lives we're all as detached from real democracy as the next person.

I would like to see a clearly accomplished reason why people should be executed before it is truly shown that INNOCENT people are NOT killed in the name of a state/government?!
I dare YOU, ( I double dare you ) any one of you blood thirsty so called human beings to tell me that it is all right to kill a humang being in the name of a state/government. You are nothing more than a murderers.

Iran is executing a 16yr old for speaking her mind. That is WRONG.
But USA killing retarted people, that is as wrong. So who are YOU to judge?

"governor Bill Clinton ( www.fdp.dk... ) during his primaries campaign in New Hampshire in 1992 announced that he had to go back home to Arkansas to be there at the execution of Rickey Ray Rector, a black inmate who was so retarded that he asked the staff on death row to put the dessert from his last meal aside so that he could have it after his execution.

I will never understand USA´s so called justice. What is the state of your so called "justice". The most famous of them all, OJ Simpson. Not guilty in one case. But then he IS guilty in the same cae in another court and ordered to pay money to the victims mother etc??
Anyone in pure heart in here? Can you say there isnt something wrong?
Not guilty, then all of the sudden, guilty??

And that plea bargain thing that you got going on there?!? Thats like confess to something that you didnt do or you will be get 25 to life. I mean if I was innocent I would say HELL yeah I did it if it was up to 1 year or 25 year ??

What is wrong with you around there?????






[edit on 22-8-2007 by finallianstallion]

politics is really starting to sicken me

especially the vast ignorance of some of our posters here

(right im a Texan)

i dont even know how to reply to this thread
its sickening

Some of u i used to really respect, until this rediculous banter came from both of you (YES BOTH SIDES!)

YES, im suggesting that You Americans AND you Europeans, and Anyone else on earth whos reading this, are acting Extremely Immature

Cant even discuss something without talking @(&% back and forth huh?

Grow up, Seriously

This is why the WORLD SUcks today!!! Cuz of all of you and ur Egos
I just wish yall would all get over urselves.
Im sick of it.

Ill say it one last time, Grow up and lrn to discuss things like grown ups

Im only 25,and im from Texas, and im wise enough to see what kind of arrogance and ignorance we are swimming in right now

Now, on the Topic itself, id like to point out that PPL in the USA have been telling Texas to stop killing murderers for decades, but Texas is a Self-deterministic type culture, and they wont listen to anyone, not even their selves

[edit on 22-8-2007 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by Boondock78
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what if one of your kids were given the death penalty for something they didn't do?
who's bootay would you be stomping then?

I'll go with the over whelming odds that I need to worry about some weak judge that lets one out than my kid is innocently put on death row.

damn 2x post

[edit on 22-8-2007 by Xtrozero]

Texas executes 400th inmate




Well, their latest execution has gone ahead... they didn't take much notice of what the Eu had to say. Let's hope there will be no more after this.

i do agree with what one of the posters above me said


wtf is the BS attitude in this thread all about?

i mean ` what right do **** have to tell us what to do`


erm , how about what right does the US have to tell anyone what to do?

none - but the `big boy in the playground` attitude is getting out of control - im waiting for a squad of marines to arrive because i just punished my son fo hitting his little sister , because punishment isn`t PC anymore.

[edit on 23/8/07 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by Xtrozero


I'll go with the over whelming odds that I need to worry about some weak judge that lets one out than my kid is innocently put on death row.

ok,
so you don't want to answer....i got it

As far as I know, Texas isn't a member of the EU. Who the hell are they to say how our state should punish murderers? And as far as lethal injections being "cruel and inhumane"...wow, I wasn't under the impression that putting a syringe in someone's arm was horrid and inhumane. (There are teenagers being stoned in the middle east for accusing men of raping them, when they were truly raped, yet when we decide to execute convicted murderers, we are criticized?) Why should citizens of Texas have to pay more money to keep murderers in prison for the duration of their lives? If someone decides to take the life of another for an unjust reason, then obviously they have no respect for human life, and I don't see a reason why we should have any respect for theirs.


[edit on 23-8-2007 by MHSdefend]

Originally posted by Boondock78
[I'll go with the over whelming odds that I need to worry about some weak judge that lets one out than my kid is innocently put on death row.

ok,
so you don't want to answer....i got it

I'm not sure what answer you want? The number and chance of innocent people on death row have been greatly reduced in the last 5 years, but there is still a chance that someone there is still innocent. One of the major cause for someone to end up on death row and is innocent is they were already a career criminal, and so the association greatly helped in a guilty verdict.

If my son was leading a good life and found himself on death row I would fight in court as much as I could, and if he was killed mistakenly by a cop I would grieve, also if he died in a accident on the freeway I would do the same, but in the case that a person murdered him I would grieve and hold hatred for that person too.

My point is # happens but when # happens from the direct evil actions of a perosn I view that in a somewhat different light…don’t you?

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I don't see any reason why the EU can't express its views on this to Texas, but I also think it's highly unlikely anyone in Texas is going to care what they say.

As a Texan, I can whole heartedly tell you, that Texans couldn't give a rat's ass what the EU thinks. Hell, we don't even care what other Americans think. What gives anyone the inclination that we give a dinker's damn about some foreign legislative power? Texans aren't concerned, believe that.

Hehe, I love all the Texan input in the thread Don't Mess With Texas!

Originally posted by Souljah

So no wonder death penalty is to stay in the U.S.A. - have to get rid of all those prisoners one way or anther. It costs the country way too much money. But have you ever wondered why are there so many criminals?

Well with 3500 total on death row and 200 added per year with 12 years of repeals and only 50 per year actually excuted. Do we need speed things up since your logic makes no sense?

Looking at the prison population per 100,000 China is close to USA and Russa, but there are concerns that they under report.

USA 743
The value of 743 in the USA includes 491 prisoners per 100,000 in prisons,and 252 prisoners per 100,000 in jails.

Russia 713
Great Britain 124
and Northern Ireland
Canada 102
Germany 98
Italy 92
France 80
Sweden 64
Denmark 61
Iceland 29

With close to 2 million incardinated in America we do have a problem, and a big part of that problem starts at home. The “family unit” in America is in serious trouble compared to the rest of the world, and the degradation of family values among some minority groups is to the point they are almost nonexistent. The black prison population of about 48% of the total is a staggering percent when only 15% of the US population is black.

Let’s look at out of wedlock births compared to prison numbers.

70% of Blacks are born out of wedlock and account for 48% of the prison population with 4.7% of the male black population in jail. With a large 12% of black males in their 20s in jail and so there are more black males in jail than collage.

50% of Hispanics are born out of wedlock and account for 20% of the prison population with 1.8% of the male hispanic population in jail.

25% of Whites are born out of wedlock and account for 32% of the prison population
with .7% of the male white population in jail.

Poverty follows this too with

33% Black children in Poverty

29% Hispanic children

10% White children


Our biggest problem is the freedom and ease of life that America offers, and this has created generations of people on welfare with prison just a part of the normal life cycle. We as Americans have not tried to stop these cycles and many stuck in them have apathy and do not want to do anything for themselves even if given the chance for it is easier to live the crappy life in America then to work and improve it. This apathy is passed on to future generations that look for the quick and easy buck and just end up in jail, or they look for any kind of family since they have none and they only find it in a gang.

If you look at the Asian minority population they have the lowest out of wedlock births and lowest for poverty which follows lowest percent per 100,000 Asian males in jail.

The problem is not the federal government, but more the state, local, community level to fix this.





[edit on 24-8-2007 by Xtrozero]

[edit on 24-8-2007 by Xtrozero]

Convicted killer of Fla. girl sentenced to death
Man found guilty of kidnapping, raping, burying alive 9-year-old

Oh NO! I feel so sorry for that guy

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Boondock78
[I'll go with the over whelming odds that I need to worry about some weak judge that lets one out than my kid is innocently put on death row.

ok,
so you don't want to answer....i got it

well, you answered me so it's cool but i was looking for, if your son was on death row as an innocent man, would you still be for capital punishment?

next time i'll get right to it...what about not even death row, but life in prison for something he did not do....



for the record, there are various reasons why i am for the most part against it....the death penalty i mean....of course mistake happen..we know that.
i don't want the gov/state/a single person to have that kind of power over another.


then part of me is for it....there was a guy that broke into my house when i was like 6 and he almost killed my parents...i saw most of it..
he never did time for it either(i just found that out)...my mother also told me his name and i looked him up..i know where he lives and all that and i have those thoughts go through my head.....

that man has wrecked me....my life is not ruined but i have problems.....would i like to see that man off the streets for life? yes
death? yes......i think about it all the time....

then i go back to the other side and the circle continues