Need help with these photos please of Bush on 911

I think he should have casually stopped reading the book. Announced that our nation was under attack, and that a few scumbags flew planes into his pretty building, then called in to deliver launch codes to pentagon from the classroom telephone.



Heck, we shoulda let cheney drop nukes on Syria and Iran instantly. No questions asked dont we shoot then ask questions later? Lmfao!

On the reaction issue...

My understanding is - and I'm prepared to be corrected on this - that it is the responsibility of the Presidents personal security advisor to ensure that the C in C is moved as quickly as possible to a secure location in time of crisis.

If thats the case did the security staff drop the ball, so to speak? Because a pre-arranged meeting place is most certainly not the most secure location to be keeping the POTUS in when an attack is in progress. He should have at least been in a vehicle and moving to a more secure location.

The same could be said for Rumsfeld, who inspected the Pentagon damage later that day when he should have been underground at that time and coordinating efforts to ensure that no further attacks took place.

It just all seems incredibly...lax. I can understand that they would have known no ICBM's were inbound, but as someone else noted any other plane, at any time, could have suddenly diverted off course and no one - at that time - knew the strength of the attack.

I have no idea what Cheney was doing on the day. He never really gets talked about much - can someone enlighten me?

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
The President did exactly what any traitor to the American constitution would do... he sat there, and allowed his country to be attacked.

Hang the traitors!

Maybe he was told to sit there and wait for further instructions? How do you know what they knew at the time? Do you think they just take him outside and drive around?

I have no idea what Cheney was doing on the day. He never really gets talked about much - can someone enlighten me?

This answers the question about the Secret Service handling matters quickly.
Why didn't they move Bush out quickly?

Secret Service agents burst into Cheney’s White House office. They carry him under his arms—nearly lifting him off the ground—and propel him down the steps into the White House basement and through a long tunnel toward an underground bunker

www.washingtonpost.com...

Then others joined Cheney in the bunker.

If thats the case did the security staff drop the ball, so to speak? Because a pre-arranged meeting place is most certainly not the most secure location to be keeping the POTUS in when an attack is in progress. He should have at least been in a vehicle and moving to a more secure location

Reports of unknowns attempting to access him earlier in the morning, reports of more hijacked airliners in the Northeast, SURE lets move him to a frigging vehicle that would be an easy target for an RPG attack. (and yes, the limo would be a much easier target than a school where you wont know exactly where he is) OR lets take a few minutes to break out the heavy weapons, re-clear the motorcade route and let him have a chance to gather more information......

Another reason for these photos, after the fact, is that Bush, on TWO separate occasions said he saw the FIRST crash on TV (it was not broadcast until WAY later in the day) in the hall way of Booker Elementary.

And absolutely no chance he was saying that he had seen the story on the newschannels and not the actual first crash? Cause we all know he is consistanly perfect when it comes to context, and grammar....

My request has nothing to do with reporters and everything to do with the official report of the days events. If your friends could tell you what happened then I assume they told thier superiors and there would be documentation of thier experience.

Of course their superiors know what happened that day. As for any formal reports, I don't know if there are or not. As for the 9/11 Commission, to my knowledge, 90% of the people that did witness it, werent inteviewed.

If not, I'd really have to say that the report has omissions in it. If these people were close enough to get injured, then their story SHOULD be told. I would consider them to be un-patriotic if they did not relay their stories.

The 9/11 Commission report has omissions? Would have never guessed that an un-needed, underfunded, colossal waste of time and taxpayer's money would have omissions. IF they had performed a proper investigation rather than a political hack job, then there wouldnt be quite so much bitching about us invading Iraq. ALL evidence pointing to Saddam and his support of terrorists, especially certain members of Al Qaeda was summarily dismissed by the Commission.

Oh yeah, I forgot....calling members of the US military wounded during a terrorist attack, un patriotic? NICE......

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
As for the 9/11 Commission, to my knowledge, 90% of the people that did witness it, werent inteviewed.

And you consider this a thourough investigation? 90% of eyewitnesses not interviewed?

The 9/11 Commission report has omissions? Would have never guessed that an un-needed, underfunded, colossal waste of time and taxpayer's money would have omissions. IF they had performed a proper investigation rather than a political hack job, then there wouldnt be quite so much bitching about us invading Iraq. ALL evidence pointing to Saddam and his support of terrorists, especially certain members of Al Qaeda was summarily dismissed by the Commission.

Wow. I think I'm done listening to you. Saddam was NOT harboring terrorists or involved in 9/11. He and BinLaden hated each other.

I'd like to see your proof of this. Thanks.

Might I suggest watching "The Dark Side"

www.pbs.org...

It goes into detail how Cheney was fervent upon blaming 9/11 on Saddam. Which, they couldn't find any evidence. But, you have this evidence? I'd like to see it.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Oh yeah, I forgot....calling members of the US military wounded during a terrorist attack, un patriotic? NICE......

If they didn't tell their story, then yes. Sorry to have to say it.

A true patriot would have told their story. Liking journalists or not.

[edit on 7/25/2007 by Griff]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Reports of unknowns attempting to access him earlier in the morning, reports of more hijacked airliners in the Northeast, SURE lets move him to a frigging vehicle that would be an easy target for an RPG attack. (and yes, the limo would be a much easier target than a school where you wont know exactly where he is) OR lets take a few minutes to break out the heavy weapons, re-clear the motorcade route and let him have a chance to gather more information......

Oh yes. Lets do the obvious and put him in the official limo. Right.

Thats about as clever as leaving him in the middle of his pre-arranged and scheduled meeting place where any fool who had seen his upcoming schedule and had a GPS reciever could drop a sodding great big airliner on it, or lob a few mortar rounds in, or fire a couple of RPGS into..... or even set fire to....break in and hold the kids and the president hostage....

Personal protection isn't your strong point is it?

You drive the limo in one direction, and you put your man in another less conspicuous vehicle with as little fuss as possible and drive off in the other one.

I mean.... these guy that are looking after him - they're professionals right?

Originally posted by neformore
You drive the limo in one direction, and you put your man in another less conspicuous vehicle with as little fuss as possible and drive off in the other one.

I mean.... these guy that are looking after him - they're professionals right?

Nice neformore, but good luck trying to corner the "fox". He seems to avoid being specific on details when asked to back up his assertions.

Wow. I think I'm done listening to you. Saddam was NOT harboring terrorists or involved in 9/11. He and BinLaden hated each other.

Abu Nidal....most wanted terrorist from the 70s-80s...living in Baghdad, reportedly working at Salmon Pak.

13. Sameer N. Yacoub, “Iraq claims terrorist leader committed suicide.” August 21, 2002 Associated Press dispatch published in Portsmouth Herald, Portsmouth, New Hampshire, August 22, 2002.

Later reports verify that Nidal was executed. After he lives in Baghdad for years, reportedly teaches the art of hijacking airliners, Saddam orders him shot....about the time we are getting serious about invading Iraq. Dead man wont tell ANY tales about who he was training.


Abbu Abbas....Achille Lauro hijacker...living in Baghdad...and he had an Iraqi diplomatic passport.

11. United Press International, untitled dispatch by Rome, Italy correspondent, Paula Butturini. October 14, 1985. Cited in Paul Crespo, “Evidence Supports That Hussein Had Strong Links With Terrorists,” Miami Herald, June 1, 2004.

Abdul Rahman Yasin, wanted in the bombing of the WTC in 1993, member of Al Qaeda. Returns to live in Iraq after the bombing, where it was discovered after our invasion that Yasin was earning a salary from the Iraqi government.

Former ABC News correspondent Sheila MacVicar looked for Yasin, and here is what she reported on July 27, 1994: “Last week, [television program] Day One confirmed [Yasin] is in Baghdad…Just a few days ago, he was seen at [his father’s] house by ABC News. Neighbors told us Yasin comes and goes freely.”

15. Sheila MacVicar, “‘America’s Most Wanted’ – Fugitive Terrorists.” ABC News’ “Day One,” July 27, 1994.

Ahmad Hikmat Shakir, Iraqi citizen, working at the Kuala Lampur airport as a VIP facilitator.

Citing "a foreign government service," page 340 of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on pre-Iraq-War intelligence indicates that, "Shakir claimed he got this job through Ra'ad al-Mudaris, an Iraqi Embassy employee" in Malaysia. On January 5, 2000, Shakir greeted Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi at Kuala Lampur’s airport. He then escorted them to a local hotel where these September 11 hijackers met with 9/11 conspirators Ramzi bin al Shibh and Tawfiz al Atash.

Khalid al Midhar and Nawaz al Hamzi subsequently spent the morning of September 11, 2001 flying American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon, killing 184 people.

Shakir, the Iraqi airport greeter, was arrested in Qatar on September 17, 2001. On his person and in his apartment, authorities discovered documents connecting him to the 1993 WTC bomb plot and “Operation Bojinka,” al-Qaeda’s 1995 plan to blow up 12 jets simultaneously over the Pacific. Interestingly enough, as a May 27, 2004 Wall Street Journal editorial reported, Ahmed Hikmat Shakir's name appears on three different rosters of the late Uday Hussein's prestigious paramilitary group, the Saddam Fedayeen. A government source told the Journal that the papers identify Shakir as a lieutenant colonel in the Saddam Fedayeen.

20. “Saddam’s Files,” (Staff editorial), The Wall Street Journal, May 27, 2004, page A20.

Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, He was Consul and Second Secretary at Iraq's Czech embassy between March 1999 and April 22, 2001. He long has been suspected of meeting with September 11 ringleader Mohamed Atta, most likely on April 8, 2001. While skeptics dismiss this encounter, Czech intelligence found Al-Ani's appointment calendar in Iraq's Prague embassy, presumably after Saddam Hussein's defeat. Al-Ani's diary lists an April 8, 2001, meeting with "Hamburg student."

The Czech government sticks to their contention that they did observe this Iraqi diplomat meeting with Mohamed Atta just five months before 9-11. As Czech U.N. Ambassador Hynek Kmonicek explained in a letter to Philadelphia attorney James Beasley, Jr.: “In this moment we can confirm, that during the next stay of Mr. Muhammad Atta in the Czech Republic, there was the contact with the official of the Iraqi intelligence, Mr. Al Ani, Ahmed Khalin Ibrahim Samir, who was on 22nd April 2001 expelled from the Czech Republic on the basis of activities which were not compatible with the diplomatic status.”

21. Hynek Kmonicek, Czech Ambassador to United Nations, Letter to James Beasley, Jr. February 24, 2003.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi, after being wounded in Afghanistan, he flees to Iraq where he receives treatment at a hospital under the direction of Uday Hussein. In addition, Zarqawi is thought to be behind the October 28, 2002 assassination of Lawrence Foley U.S. diplomat in Amman, Jordan.

Then there is this...

I conclude that plaintiffs have shown, albeit barely, ‘by evidence satisfactory to the court’ that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al Qaeda

U.S. District Court Judge Harold Baer, Jr.

22. CBSNews.com, “Court Rules: Al Qaida, Iraq Linked,” May 7, 2003.

Directly involved in 9/11, maybe, maybe not. Supporter of terrorists, including Al Qaeda, DEFINITELY.

And you consider this a thourough investigation? 90% of eyewitnesses not interviewed?

No, I said it was a waste of time and money.

A true patriot would have told their story. Liking journalists or not

They did tell their stories, just not in an arena that you would have access to.

Thats about as clever as leaving him in the middle of his pre-arranged and scheduled meeting place where any fool who had seen his upcoming schedule and had a GPS reciever could drop a sodding great big airliner on it, or lob a few mortar rounds in, or fire a couple of RPGS into..... or even set fire to....break in and hold the kids and the president hostage....

Name one airliner that wasnt under ATC control in the Southeast United States that day....wait, there wasnt one. Big school...you would get ONE shot, MAYBE, before the Secret Service snipers dropped you, and they would drop you. Ditto, trying to break into the school. As you are from England, you might not be aware of how much firepower the President's motorcade has in it.

To shorten it, keeping him in the building, covered by sniper teams and fast action gun teams, was much more secure than trying to move him to a car...until they had a chance to resweep the neighborhood.

You drive the limo in one direction, and you put your man in another less conspicuous vehicle with as little fuss as possible and drive off in the other one.

Which involves taking the President outside and opening him to the hazard of a bullet or RPG. And if someone would have been outside, switching cars would do NOTHING.

Nice neformore, but good luck trying to corner the "fox". He seems to avoid being specific on details when asked to back up his assertions

Must not read all my posts.......

Swampy-fox.. your argument is null and void.
Saudi Arabia harbours more terrorists than most, i mean there' popping up everywhere in iraq.. and they were the ones flying the planes, hell even your fake terrorist leader osama was saudi...
Iraq had nothing, N O T H I N G to do with WMD's and terrorists.

Do you REALLY think the Bush admin was going to send hundereds of thousands of American military men and women into an active chemical / biological war?

Likewise, An Iraqi has NEVER ever attacked the United states.
The closest you'd come to that was Ramzi yousef, whom was a Kuwaiti.
We have created 1000x more terrorists by illegially invading Iraq, that it was better to leave these retired terrorists from the 70-80's to die in their Iraqi sandpit....

“Court Rules: Al Qaida, Iraq Linked,” May 7, 2003

You use that as evidence?
days before the invasion was launched, an AMERICAN Court ruled Iraq and Alqaeda are linked?
These are the same days when we told the world we had undeniable evidence of mass stocks of WMD's.........
You do realise these were lies, dont you?


SADDAM and OSAMA were not in cahoots.
Osama hated the way Saddam maniuplated and took advantage of muslims, through his oil for food scandals etc etc.
Saddam activley DENIED Alqaeda a foothold in Iraq, JUST LIKE IRAN DID!

Why are you spouting the same BS Crap that got us into this illegial war?
Havent you wised up yet?



[edit on 25-7-2007 by Agit8dChop]

As we all now know that Bush knew of the first hit before he arrived at the school, why not keep going to the airport and jump on Air Force One instead of going to the school? With all that firepower in the motorcade it would have been a much safer option.

AT the very least swampy, the president should of been immediately rushed away from that class room, and all school childeren ordered to evacuate.
The president is a prime target, so removing the innocent childeren was a must, no matter how much faith you place in the secret service.
I dont find it suspicous that the president remained at the school, i find it suspicous that he sat reading that book, in the crucial minutes where he could of been preventing further plans from proceeding.

ONe question swampy.

Do you believe everything youve heard about 911 and Iraq?
Is there anything about those two events you dont trust coming from the government?

Thankyou Swampfox for backing up you assertions.

Thats quite a list of terrorists you've compiled there. Are there any terrorists being harbored elsewhere in the world? Say Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Iran?

Maybe you could come up with some declassified lists for us ignorant cusses.

Didn't the President say "if you harbor terrorists we will consider you a terrorist"?

Back to the photos, the command center setup seems staged. Is that a live feed of the towers on fire? Wheres the rabbit ears? Or do they have cable in that classroom?

Do you REALLY think the Bush admin was going to send hundereds of thousands of American military men and women into an active chemical / biological war?

Explain the dozen or so soldiers who now wear Purple Hearts for being "injured in the line of duty, with symptoms consistant with exposure to nerve agents"

The "nonexistant" WMDs were found, especially nerve agents, the only problem was, the chemicals hadnt actually been mixed. All the necessary ingredients to make nerve agents, the shells and rockets to load the chemicals into and the protection suits in concealed warehouses on military bases, but since they werent mixed yet, the ISG decided they werent actually weapons. Kinda like finding Tim McVeigh with the fuel, ammonium nitrate, and Ryder truck, but saying he is just moving his farm supplies....

Iraq had nothing, N O T H I N G to do with WMD's and terrorists

You choose to drink the kool aid and remain ignorant of the facts, not my responsibility.

Likewise, An Iraqi has NEVER ever attacked the United states.

No, we just have terrorists carrying Iraqi passports killing American citizens.

days before the invasion was launched, an AMERICAN Court ruled Iraq and Alqaeda are linked

Oh, so because its an American court....the judge must have made everything up that was in evidence.

Saddam activley DENIED Alqaeda a foothold in Iraq, JUST LIKE IRAN DID!

Thats why several members of Al Qaeda carried Iraqi diplomatic passports or were on the rosters of the fedayeen.

Why are you spouting the same BS Crap that got us into this illegial war

Just restating facts that have NEVER been challenged.

As we all now know that Bush knew of the first hit before he arrived at the school, why not keep going to the airport and jump on Air Force One instead of going to the school?

Because until the second hit, it was considered a horribly tragic accident.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999

As we all now know that Bush knew of the first hit before he arrived at the school, why not keep going to the airport and jump on Air Force One instead of going to the school?

Because until the second hit, it was considered a horribly tragic accident.

I am typing a long response to your previous post but figured id jump in first with this.

They had evidence of a multi-staged attack using various planes.
They knew full well, this wasnt an accident from the begining.
You dont receive intel from Israel, Germany, Iran about a planned attack
while having FBI Watching terrorists training at flight schools to have something like this occur, and beleive its an accident.

Really man... c'mon.
but lemme reply to your previous post.