Need help with these photos please of Bush on 911

I was looking through my collection of photos and happened to do a double take on these pictures







I am not sure if its a trick of the lighting but it seems that Bush has a dark blue suit on for the reading of my pet goat then a grey suit on in the school "situation room"
Even accounting for the lighting disparities thats a much different coloured suit.


Then later on in the day, arriving at Andrews Airforce base its a dark blue suit again.


Am I seeing things here?

I don't think we can come up with a definitive answer to that question with those photo's alone. What i am much more curious about is what was said to Bush while he was sitting in the classroom. There were too few words spoken for such a huge event.

I don't think we can come up with a definitive answer to that question with those photo's alone. What i am much more curious about is what was said to Bush while he was sitting in the classroom. There were too few words spoken for such a huge event.

For the school photos, different lighting, for the arrival at Andrews...you dont think that maybe Air Force One might carry a change of clothes for the President?

As for what was said "Mr President, a second plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. America is under attack." or something really close to that.

What would you have rather seen? The President jumping to his feet and sprinting from the room?

For the school photos, different lighting, for the arrival at Andrews...you dont think that maybe Air Force One might carry a change of clothes for the President?


What would you have rather seen? The President jumping to his feet and sprinting from the room?

Even if he changed suits that day it wouldnt suggest anything.

But personally I think its the same suit just different lightong making it darker and lighter is all.

And maybe he said to the president that anther plane just crashed and they needed to talk more asap. Wouldnt be prudent to give him the complete story as a whisper.


[edit on 19-7-2007 by earth2]

Sorry, hit the button too fast on the last post.

Swampfox

I think you missed the point that the fist and last suit are the same, why change in between and then put back on the original suit unless they drycleaned it on Air Force One?

As far as Bush sprinting out, no but I expected the Secret Service to have controlled the situation and escorted Bush to safety.

Don't worry about swampthing. He is a staunch supporter of the official story, and there is reason to believe that he/she is a FOX employee/shill. We have had our run-ins previously on the subject of 9/11.

Certain members of ours news media seem to be prime beneficiaries of the events surrounding 9/11. Apparently part of the deal is that they have to patrol forums such as ATS towing the party line to remain on the payroll.

BTW - the suits of different colors is intriguing to some of us. I will do a bit more research into this myself.

Originally posted by HaveSeen4Myself
Don't worry about swampthing. He is a staunch supporter of the official story, and there is reason to believe that he/she is a FOX employee/shill. We have had our run-ins previously on the subject of 9/11.

Unless you can produce a "reason to believe" other than the fact they think something different than you, I'd like to point out that this type of accusation is grounds for dismissal. Calling some one you don't agree with a plant or a shill is BS and unacceptable.

Um, isn't this obvious?

1) The suits are ABSOLUTELY different.

One is gray and the other blue.

Why?

SIMPLE.

The "commander-in-chief" photos of him talking and dealing
with this crisis- in short- his purported reaction...
well, they were STAGED at a later date,
in response to the perception of many
that his classroom-reading initial reaction-
a blank stare, silence, and then,
inexplicably, more reading to the kids,
was incompetent and cowardly.

So they took the photos later and released
them as propaganda.

But they made one big mistake with the wardrobe
for the shoot...

HDF

i 2nd that!!.. this admin(bush party) is a bunch of fo0k up's!

You always have to do your homework...

Originally posted by Intheshadwos
Then later on in the day, arriving at Andrews Airforce base its a dark blue suit again.

This picture probably isn't from 9/11 (not to mention, I notice "your" pictures on a lot of websites).

The above picture if it was on 9/11/2001 would have been taken at some time shortly after 6:34 pm when Air Force One landed at Andrews AFB.

6:34 p.m.: Air Force One landed at Andrews AFB. On his way back to the White House, his Marine One helicopter flew over the Pentagon to give him a first-hand look at the damage.

www.911timeline.net...

The problem being that here is the sunrise/sunset table for 9/11/2001:

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department


Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Washington, District of Columbia (longitude W77.0, latitude N38.9):

Tuesday
11 September 2001 Eastern Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:19 a.m.
Sunrise 6:46 a.m.
Sun transit 1:05 p.m.
Sunset 7:23 p.m.
End civil twilight 7:49 p.m.

MOON
Moonset 2:09 p.m. on preceding day
Moonrise 12:01 a.m.
Moon transit 7:35 a.m.
Moonset 3:13 p.m.
Moonrise 12:53 a.m. on following day


Phase of the Moon on 11 September: waning crescent with 41% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Last quarter Moon on 10 September 2001 at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time.

aa.usno.navy.mil...

With just approximately 45 minutes before sunset, the shadows would be long, and the light would be quite different than what the photo shows (I think the photo shows signs of "correction" so all bets are off).

But here is a picture...

That was shot at Andrews AFB on 9/11/2001:

www.af.mil...

Long shadows, right suit color...

From this gallery with credits:

www.af.mil...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
What would you have rather seen? The President jumping to his feet and sprinting from the room?

Well, since he "supposedly" had no idea how extensive the attack was going to be, hell yes he should have sprinted from the room! If missiles were inbound, would you want him to keep reading My Pet Goat?

Umm, perhaps I'm missing something, but different suit jackets, or the same ones throughout the day, what sort of conspiracy are you getting at? I chance clothes at least twice a day, sometimes more, and I don't do quite as much as the President I don't think, so, the point is?

Originally posted by yuefo

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
What would you have rather seen? The President jumping to his feet and sprinting from the room?

Well, since he "supposedly" had no idea how extensive the attack was going to be, hell yes he should have sprinted from the room! If missiles were inbound, would you want him to keep reading My Pet Goat?

The presidents reaction for one is strange because he is almost like unmoved by any of the info. I dont remember exactly in the official story but didnt the secret service guy say "the country is under attack". Well, if he said that then i think the appropriate response would be to get up and leave the room instead of finishing his story about the pet goat.

Originally posted by Intheshadwos
Am I seeing things here?

Yeah. He hasn't changed suits, it's just differences in lighting that make it appear a slightly different shade. But then again, I kinda do see your point, the second two pics definitely look like a different suit than the first pic.

[edit on 20-7-2007 by Tombstone]

I think you missed the point that the fist and last suit are the same, why change in between and then put back on the original suit unless they drycleaned it on Air Force One?

Well, they do have some laundry abilities (not drycleaning though) on AF-1, however, from most appearances the first thing G.W. does when AF-1 is at altitude, is change out of his suit. As for it being the "original" suit, im pretty sure that he has more than one suit in each color. To me, this is so far from being an issue that its sad that someone would think it is proof of something.

The presidents reaction for one is strange because he is almost like unmoved by any of the info. I dont remember exactly in the official story but didnt the secret service guy say "the country is under attack".

Nope, no secret service agent said that to him that day. His chief of staff, Andy Card did.

Different people react in different ways. My supervisor didnt react too much that day, the next day (after he was able to see the devastation on TV) was different.

Well, since he "supposedly" had no idea how extensive the attack was going to be, hell yes he should have sprinted from the room! If missiles were inbound, would you want him to keep reading My Pet Goat

And since his route that day was public info, im quite sure that the Secret Service was quickly ensuring that the route was still safe for him to travel. I mean, if it was an "extensive" attack, but nothing was in the immediate area, I would keep my principal there till I KNEW there wasnt someone with an RPG waiting outside the door. No doubt the fast reaction teams that day hauled out the heavy weapons they carry in the Presidential motorcade and were sweeping the area.....and keeping the President safe right where he was.

p.s. they knew there werent missiles inbound, they didnt know how many jets had been hijacked.

well, they were STAGED at a later date

Later date huh? So how come those pictures were on the news that day???

Don't worry about swampthing. He is a staunch supporter of the official story, and there is reason to believe that he/she is a FOX employee/shill. We have had our run-ins previously on the subject of 9/11.

Ah yes...the personal insult, was wondering when it would pop up.....Its SwampFOX, not swampthing, but I can understand your confusion.

Staunch supporter of the official story...no, staunch supporter of the truth.

Reason to believe that Im a FOX employee/shill.....oh do tell........lets hear the evidence PLEASE.......

Actually the truth is much worse...im an employee of the United States Government.

Swamp you are correct. The official story of what was told to the President is: "Mr President, a second plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. America is under attack."

Now go back and watch the video and say it along with him and you will see he obviously doesn't say that.

Sensfan to answer your posed question, Yes, you are missing something. The post is saying this looks like 2 different suits. How could he have been in a blue suit in the classroom, walked into the next room in a totally different suit. To say the lighting was different in classroom is possible, but most schools use the same lighting in each room, remember the flourescent bulbs in the ceiling. Was the empty class room across the hall or next door? The morning sun shining directly in would make things appear lighter.

Unless you can produce a "reason to believe" other than the fact they think something different than you, I'd like to point out that this type of accusation is grounds for dismissal. Calling some one you don't agree with a plant or a shill is BS and unacceptable.

Valhall, previously on the 9/11 forum Swampfox46_1999 and CameronFox kept popping up in the same threads towing nothing but the party line. I found their methods to be rude and their humor sickening. Ironically, Carl Cameron was a correspondent for FOX News during the entire 9/11 debacle.

The only topics they participate in deal with 9/11. They take vacations at the same time. Niether of them posted on ATS from 4/2/07 through 5/7/07.

Call it what you will, but I personally no longer believe in coincidences.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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[CARL CAMERON, Fox News Senior Political Correspondent prepares for an interview with candidate and then-Governor GEORGE W. BUSH.]

CAMERON: My wife has been hanging out with your sister.

BUSH: Yeah. Good. [Laughs]

CAMERON: ...been all over the state campaigning, and Pauline has been constantly with her.

BUSH: Yeah, she is a good person.

CAMERON: Oh, she's been terrific! To hear Pauline tell it, when she first started campaigning for you, she was a little bit nervous. But...

BUSH: Hitting her stride?

CAMERON: She doesn't need notes, she's going to crowds, and she's got the whole riff down.

BUSH: She's a good soul.

CAMERON: She's having fun, too.

BUSH: She's a really good soul.

OutFOXed: Carl Cameron Sucks Up To Bush



[edit on 7/20/2007 by HaveSeen4Myself]

[edit on 7/21/2007 by HaveSeen4Myself]

[edit on 7/21/2007 by HaveSeen4Myself]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
What would you have rather seen? The President jumping to his feet and sprinting from the room?

Yep. Woulda indicated surprise/alarm, and a desire to act quick. Instead he seems to be thinking - remember, just wait... it'll all be over and done and no going back soon - How did he know not to act? Why no shoot down order issued from the President, its only legit source, until 10:18? This is an hour and 12 minutes after the whisper. What was really said in the privacy of Bush'ss ear? Possibly what we were told... maybe not. We'll never know and so I don't care. He just sat there, afraid to "upset the kids." It's 9/11 dude, everyone's traumatized anyway, get off yer ass!

Re: the suit - compare chalk-boards - one shot seems blue filtered, the other more gray? but his undershirts and tie look the same... Either way, I think a suit change doesn't change much. Blue for public, gray for crisis and thinking, black later for gravitas. The colorful backdrop for the whisper shot was actually designed by a White House staffer, not little kids. It's theater everywhere the President goes, probaly a portable wardrobbe of suits in case the mood shifts.

But an interesting question nonetheless.