Man Sexually Assaulted for Refusing to Convert To Islam

Originally posted by shots
Fact Christians have been forced to convert to Islam

Now kindly deny your own Ignorance and admit it.

hows about about no
i have shown my proof and there for i see no ignorance on my behalf
i have explained my point of views and that of forced conversions and so on.
so kindly read up on my posts this is my last reply to this topic as i am just going around in circles explaining the same thing over and over

Originally posted by bodrul


hows about about no
i have shown my proof and there for i see no ignorance on my behalf
i have explained my point of views and that of forced conversions and so on.
so kindly read up on my posts

this is my last reply to this topic as i am just going around in circles explaining the same thing over and over

Oh I have read your posts and they make no sense you say they are not true Muslims again showing your ignorance. BTW I expected a no for
answer that is so like you.


I do not know the exact numder of Branches/Sects within the muslim religion among them which are but not limited too Sunni Shiite Kharijitis Wahhabi Ismailis Ismaili Druze Assassins Sufi Baha'ism U.S.A. Black Muslims so who are you to say who is and who is not a true muslim?





[edit on 7/4/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Another random act of kindness from the "religion of peace"...

How lovely!

Oh yeah, this was all made up

[edit on 7/3/2007 by djohnsto77]

i'm with you all the way on this one. let's see how all the liberals, who are actually trying to protect the enemy, react when they see this one.

That's all I need to know about Islam ....

Originally posted by niteboy82
Actually, though xmotex in my estimation is correct, your statement above is grossly incorrect in the scheme of what you wish to portray.

There are many cultures globally that share the viewpoint of which the particular culture xmotex has shown that feel this way in regards to homosexuality.

Yes, niteboy82 is absolutely right, this is not an outlook exclusive to the Islamic world, in fact it's a pattern prevalent in most strongly male-dominated cultures.

Sorry if I did not make that clear in my first post.

let's see how all the liberals, who are actually trying to protect the enemy, react when they see this one

Who exactly are "the enemy"?

Originally posted by bodrul

they can call them selves muslim but they arent real muslims as its against islam, hence why they are exicuted in islamic countries, thats how mbad homosexuality is seen in islam

[edit on 4-7-2007 by bodrul]

Well that convinced me on how loving and peaceful Islam is...

Reply to neformore

However - in the interests of balance - because the right wingers on here are all indignant about it - and appear to have short memories ...

Abu Ghraib Torture and Prisoner Abuse

I'm . . . saying . . . that there are savages on both sides to me.

At first, I was incredulous at such an outrageous assertion . . . but . . . let me get this straight . . .

Evidently, you are asserting with a straight face that . . . in your construction on reality . . .

30 blokes rear-raping a Christian who refuses to become Muslim ALL NIGHT

is

100% EQUAL

to wearing some BVD's on one's head for XX minutes?

. . . . drum roll . . . can you spell OUTRAGEOUS OFF THE WALL UNMITIGATED-LEFT-WING-SITUATION-ETHICS-MINDLESS-GLOBALIST-WORD-
MANGLING-REALITY-MANGLING-BLIND DISTORTIONS pretending to be rational constructions on reality???

By similar logic . . . we should all adjust our reality sensors to realize and accommodate the evidently 'established fact' that the following realities are operant per neformore:

[errr at least . . . by inference and extrapolation]

1. SNOOPY EQUALS = = = IS = = = a DRACO bio-engineered monster from Alpha-Centauri in disguise. And Charlie Brown is his Machiavellian handler.

2. CRACKS in sidewalks IN REALITY ARE overt string shaped mini-black holes into which homeless people and the occasional father behind on his support payments are sucked down into the DRACO tunnels to slave away as long as they live and then to surrender their body parts to the food slurry.

3. The little 3" high baby tumbleweed in my front yard is IN REALITY a humanoid-eating 'WEINER-WOLFING-WEED' from the Pleiades . . . waiting in super 'Tardis' compressed form to wolf me down when I get too close.

4. Telling someone they have a booger dripping from their nose

in REALITY

EQUALS

Tying them to the rack, flaying them alive with a dull knife and Bar-B-Q-ing the most attractive parts for lunch.

= = = = =

Actually, I'm rather concerned for neformore . . . such a twisted perspective on REALITY is likely to result in some very educational experiences with high tuition in the not too distant future. But, never fear, for a good long time, the blame will still be put elsewhere.

Rationalizing reigns supreme.

The short of it evidently is

1. the guy was raped all night by 30 Muslims who pray weekly at their local mosque; pray 5 times/day and eat only proper Muslim food prepared in the proper Muslim way. So, only idiots would call them Muslim.

2. If a Muslim were raped all night by 30 Christians for refusing to say The Lord's Prayer . . . I suspect the outrage of neformore would have been off the scale . . . probably assaultively psychotic in intensity. And ALL Christians would have been intensely consigned to hell automatically by such pristine perfectly fair judgment and sentencing by neformore.

3. Calling a spade a spade on a forum supposedly dedicated to TRUTH FINDING AND TRUTH TELLING is forbidden in her scheme of things . . . when folks are abusing Christians. Very impressive. Color me underwhelmed.


mod edit: insert space on run-on word

[edit on 4-7-2007 by DontTreadOnMe]

Reply to Zorgon:

"The Muslim above" goes by the name bodrul here. You arrogance is showing through loud and clear.

Impressively WHOLESALE WRONG.

I tend to avoid names for 2-3 reasons.

1. I'm in a hurry

2. I don't remember names well

3. AS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I chose to SOFTEN the assertion from what would have been more pointed had I used his name. That was my first and very deliberately chosen consideration. I was ALSO in a hurry.

I think you owe me an apology.

I'm willing to consider the evidence regarding your expertise on arrogance assessments if you really wish me to. It is quite plausible to me that you far outstrip my expertise and experiences in that field.

Until then, I'll just consider it evidence that your biases are ragingly showing.

I don't happen to consider a fellow believer being raped by 30 guys all night to be a very happy occasion or subject.

I don't consider folks who even obliquely defend such an event to be remotely the sort I'd care to invite for dinner.

I'm also not overly compelled to treat such folks and such perspectives with kid gloves, 3 inches of foam and rabbit fur.

But IF you are the odd sort who considers such activities some variation of good recreational fun --particularly against those horrid Christians who deserve every evil we can dish out to them . . . . . . I'm sure i'm not about to alter your perspective a micro-gram's worth. But I don't have to applaud it.

REPLY TO ARYANWATCH:

OF COURSE, the wail and claim will be that your Koran quotes were out of context--an assertion which is

100% UTTER HOGWASH.

1. The context does not water down the meaning and import a fraction as much as those claiming it does would have us believe.

2. THE MUSLIM JIHADI APPLICATIONS of said verses AND THE IMAMS WHO ISSUE FATWAHS from said verses

DO NOT

SEEM TO BE THE LEAST BIT CONCERNED WITH MINDING THE CONTEXT ISSUES AT ALL.

So the whole allegation is utter nonsense.

Your verses stand starkly, blood red alone on their own. And you just posted the tip of the iceberg in such Koranic and other Muslim documents teachings on such issues.

Regardless of the documents . . . the Jihadi pronouncements AND ACTIONS arising, BY THEIR CLAIMS from said writings

ARE SUFFICIENT DOCUMENTATION ALONE as to the meaning, import, doctrine, dogma that THEY ARE ATTACHING to such issues, to Islam

AND WHICH THEY EXPECT THE WHOLE WORLD TO ATTACH TO SAID ISLAMIC PRIORITIES

OR DIE.

THEY have ARTICULATED THE STANDARD IN REAMS OF DOCUMENTS AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS WORTH OR ORAL RANTS.

THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED THE IMPORT OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION ON ISLAMIC DOGMA, PRINCIPLES, AND VALUES BY THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF BLOOD.

Ignore at your peril, appeasers.

to harlequin:

and again your posting your judeofacist agenda crap - stop being so racist.

Fascinating that there's not a microgram's worth of evidence that there's even a thimble full's worth of aerogel's worth of insight into the

BLATANT, BRAZEN, OUTRAGEOUS

HYPOCRISY in the above statement.

Of course, Jihadi-ism is not a race. It's not even the whole of the Muslim perspective.

But perhaps a rubber dictionary was used and I should be compassionate and turn the other cheek like a good Christian.

Also, evidently a rubber History text is being used . . . tyranny and fascism in our era have virtually exclusively been dispensed by folks who most vigorously persecuted authentic Christians and authentic Christianity as well as Judaism.

Hitler comes to mind. As well as Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, . . . Hillery and her globalist cronies seems clearly to be itching to follow in their shoes (witness her Masters' thesis). . .

Have you applied to join their philosophical team formally or are you content to be a closet supporter by merely posting such perspectives as theirs?

= = =

You can deny the facts, the truth of this case, or not. There's still sufficient freedom for you to be well able to even publically deny such facts.

But please avoid the reality twisting convolutions of calling good evil; black white and Christians the guilty in such matters.

Sheesh.

To shots:

Thanks for excellent links.

It's amazing to me . . . There are a LOT of issues . . . especially in the UFO field . . . where reality is REALLY hard to pin down. Where facts are exceedingly ephemeral, convoluted, etc.

But in this subject area, the shelves full of evidence would comprise whole buildings in volume.

And still the DENIAL is as deep as the Pacific. Amazing sociologically and psychologically.

Here we have a clear-cut case of absolutely off the scale savage brutality.

And the denial is vivid, vigorous and blind. One expects it of proponents of religious belief systems. That's the nature of belief and religion--especially when it's a kind of idol, raison d'etre.

But for the bystanders to take up the cause of such savagery is dismayingly mind-boggling.

One can easily imagine that when the globalist goons come to take Christians and Jews off to the death camps and guillotines, such 'fellow travelers' and sympathesizers will be marching alongside the globalists' gestapo waving banners and cheering them on.

It still boggles my mind that ANYONE could EQUATE some 'horribly intimidating' underwear on murderers heads as THE SAME as being raped all night by 30 violently angry Jihadi's.

The text was certainly right. This era has an abundance of calling black white; good evil and chaotic regression as progressive.

Originally posted by shotsI do not know the exact numder of Branches/Sects within the muslim religion among them which are but not limited too Sunni Shiite Kharijitis Wahhabi Ismailis Ismaili Druze Assassins Sufi Baha'ism U.S.A. Black Muslims so who are you to say who is and who is not a true muslim?

Same can be said for Christians and there are a lot more sects and splinter groups there... And Christians have such a marvelous history of being nice...

Crusades... Inquisition... etc...

But what I want to know in all this Jihad we have going here... is has ANYONE confirmed that the OP's post is actually TRUE??

It seems to me that if Christian fundamentalists wanted to stir things up, a report such as this would certainly do it.

The only source I could find is Christian Today (surely and unbiased publication) Then several more reactionary websites just reposting the story...

Why is this NOT on CNN or Fox? Why is this not in a mainstream newspaper? Judging by reactions in this thread, everyone is ready to condemn all Muslims without so much as having taken the time ti VERIFY if this is true before letting your obvious prejudices loose on the world

As bodrul said there are MANY Muslims in this country in the forces fighting for YOUR freedom against tyranny. There are also many Muslim nations that are friendly to the USA.

Before pointing the finger... lets make sure that this truly did happen...

And to the person who didn't believe Muslims were being raped by American guards...

Just do a google search for "rape of Iraqi prisoners"

Report: Rape of Iraqi Women by U.S. Soldiers Widespread
www.truthout.org...

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse
en.wikipedia.org...

Female Lawyers Prove Iraqi Women Pack Raped by Americans
"...happening all across Iraq..."
www.vialls.com...

Torture and Rape Rampant in Iraq Prisons
www.antiwar.com...

New Details of Prison Abuse Emerge
www.washingtonpost.com...

Rape Rooms: A Chronology
www.slate.com...

U.S. Army report on Iraqi prisoner abuse
www.msnbc.msn.com...


So we have one report that a group of extremist Muslims are running amuck from a bias source...

And HUNDREDS that our "side" is doing the same and worse including main stream media

But I suppose its okay because well after all THEY are all terrorists out to get us

:shk:

[edit on 4-7-2007 by zorgon]

It seems to me that if Christian fundamentalists wanted to stir things up, a report such as this would certainly do it.

The only source I could find is Christian Today (surely and unbiased publication) Then several more reactionary websites just reposting the story...

Why is this NOT on CNN or Fox? Why is this not in a mainstream newspaper? Judging by reactions in this thread, everyone is ready to condemn all Muslims without so much as having taken the time ti VERIFY if this is true before letting your obvious prejudices loose on the world

Exactly, as I hinted at when I first read this story, it sounds like a stinking pile of Propaganda to me.

To me, propaganda is far dirtier than revenge. With revenge, you at least have a reason for wanting to kill... with propaganda, it's a bunch of lies put together in a convincing manor to make people kill for you.

If I'm right, this is Christian propaganda at it's worst. Whoever wrote it is certainly about to rot in hell for it... and if I ever met him, I'd castrate him... slowly.

To souljah

Yeah sure - the only people who RAPE are Islamofascists.

Your statistics would have been exceedingly more impressive if you'd posted:

HOW MANY

* are sexually assaulted--in Jihadi regions--FAMILY MEMBERS--not to mention enemies?

* men and women in Jiadi regions are raped--please include the little Philapino et al camel jockeys coerced and kidnapped for fun and sport?

* the total number of women assaulted in Jihadi countries?

* victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault were there in Jiahdi countries in 2004-2005?

* victims of rape in Jihadi countries were under the age of 18 and 30?

* men in Jihadi countries were sexually assaulted--including those hired as 'house boys,' camel jockeys, gardners from impoverished lands . . . and also, including lesser ranked family members?

* CHILDREN:
How many juvenile sexual assault victims in Jihadi lands knew their attackers? How many were older brothers, fathers, uncles?

When you post such statistics, we can then begin to look fairly at a comparison of the differences in such outrages that culture and belief may foster.

I noticed on a post that someone is questioning the validity of the story.

CHRISTIANITY TODAY WAS FOUNDED BY BILLY GRAHAM.

It has excellent source checking policies and habits.

Dream on . . . if the fantasy is that such did not happen.

Even if this case were miraculously proven false, there are dozens--likely 100's of other cases almost as outrageous.

You know full well none of those statistics are likely to be available.

And pretending that rape, pederasty, etc are exclusive to the Islamic world is absurd in the extreme.

How many Catholic altar boys have been molested?
Is it somehow proof of the inherent evil of Catholicism?

Originally posted by BO XIAN
I noticed on a post that someone is questioning the validity of the story.

CHRISTIANITY TODAY WAS FOUNDED BY BILLY GRAHAM.

Ah well that explains much... I think I shall wait until there is some OTHER confirmation of this story

Originally posted by xmotex
pretending that rape, pederasty, etc are exclusive to the Islamic world is absurd in the extreme.

Again ... where did anyone say that rape is exclusive to the Islamic world?

How many Catholic altar boys have been molested?
Is it somehow proof of the inherent evil of Catholicism?

I figured someone would bring that up. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Less than .01% of priests have been involved in that. Some pedophiles saw a good hunting ground so they became priests as cover to hunt with.

THE MAIN THING - The attacks by the pedophiles were NOT carried out in the name of Catholicicity. However, the terrorist attacks and forced conversions were carried out by Islamics in the name of Islam.

The Catholic faith is very clear (check the catechism) that pedophilia is wrong. Islam is not clear .. it isn't even sure iteself .. if suicide bombers and forced conversions are wrong. You get different answers depending on which Islamic leader you talk to.

To Johnsky

Why is this NOT on CNN or Fox? Why is this not in a mainstream newspaper? Judging by reactions in this thread, everyone is ready to condemn all Muslims without so much as having taken the time ti VERIFY if this is true before letting your obvious prejudices loose on the world

It's difficult to understand this being asked on ATS.

1. SOCIOLOGICAL RESEARCH CONSISTENTLY SHOWS that personnel manning Main Stream Media positions top to bottom are at least 75% and USUALLY 85-95% VERY LIBERAL to EXTREMELY LIBERAL. The management is even 90-97% VERY LIBERAL TO EXTREMELY LIBERAL.

2. This should be no surprise to ATS members. the NWO FOLKS have been in FIRM CONTROL OF
A) THE MEDIA
B) THE UNIVERSITIES
C) HOLLYWEED
D) MOST OF POLITICS--ESPECIALLY THE SENATE AND FED BUREAUCRACIES
E) INTERNATIONAL TRADE ETC. ORGANIZATIONS

FOR MOST OF THE LAST 50+ YEARS.

It's SILLY, NAIVE TO ASSUME that they would not spike such a story.

THEY HAVE CREATED, SET-UP the Jihadis. They are using them to increase terror around the world to scare the global populace into a tyrannical world government.

THIS PARTICULAR CASE suits 2 of their very dear goals--trash and destroy authentic Christianity AND create terror sufficient to get citizens to give up freedom for safety in a straight-jacket level of controlled world government.

OF COURSE the Main Stream Media would omit this story. That's not exactly rocket science.

3. CHRISTIANITY TODAY was founded by BILLY GRAHAM many decades ago. It has a history of excellent source verifying policies AND PRACTICES.

Why do I have the impression that if the story was about 30 "Christians" raping a Jihadi . . . that it would have been accepted instantly as total truth?

To xmotex

You know full well none of those statistics are likely to be available.

And pretending that rape, pederasty, etc are exclusive to the Islamic world is absurd in the extreme.

How convenient. Yeah, tyrannical governments are not usually given to allowing the publishing of statistics which put them in a bad light. But, I suspect there are more stats available than many would suspect.

I DO NOT KNOW OF ANYONE on this thread PRETENDING to any degree that rape, pedestry etc. are exclusively anyone's habitual behaviors.

ASSERTING TO is cheeky to the max and absolutely the opposite of seeking TRUTH.

It is actually a behavior of denying truth instead of denying ignorance.

Cute, that.