Man Sexually Assaulted for Refusing to Convert To Islam

you do know force convertion is against islam

bodrul - oh is it? Really? Ever heard of Jaziya?



If Islam doesn't allow conversion,where did millions of Muslims through out the world come from? They were born Muslims? Ya sure? Look at the patterns of spread of Islam and you will know it for yourself.Christanity does convert but it is good enough to accept that it does.Islam should atleast get out of this double standard. There is no point in telling anyone to get the facts right. You should just open your eyes and look around you. It's not the character of a religion what is written in a book,it's the conduct of it's followers.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
bodrul - oh is it? Really? Ever heard of Jaziya?

You asked Bodrul, but I will answer too. Jizya is a protection tax. If able bodied non-muslim men choose not to join the army to fight in Muslim lands, they are charged this tax, to pay to have their home/land/country protected by Muslims.

How this is "forced" conversion, you will have to explain.

Hmm, maybe western nations should impose a special tax on Muslims to pay for the increased government spending required to protect the public from Islamic terrorists and to compensate those affected by attacks?

[edit on 7/4/2007 by djohnsto77]

Hmmm.

I doubt that this is true, for the various reasons covered in prior contributions

Hey - the thread even managed to pull in the word "Islamofacist" (we really must play BS bingo one day you know)

However - in the interests of balance - because the right wingers on here are all indignant about it - and appear to have short memories ...

Abu Ghraib Torture and Prisoner Abuse

(some strong pictures in there)

I'm not saying any of this - including the allegations put forward here - are justified, merely that it seems that there are savages on both sides to me.





[edit on 4/0707/07 by neformore]

Originally posted by BO XIANI find the contentions by the Muslim above

"The Muslim above" goes by the name bodrul here. You arrogance is showing through loud and clear.

bodrul and neformore - Let's cut the BS right away. I'am mentioning the Quran straightaway.

DJM - find your answers below:


Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191),
to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123),

slay them (Q. 9: 5),

fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 )

even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29).

Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85).

It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11),

calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28).

It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34).

“As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9).

Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28).

Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52),

be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9).

The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4).

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34).

If you really don't beelieve me,read Quran for yourself and then come back to me and dispute each point one by one but please keep in mind that I'am neither a Muslim nor a Christian nor any other religious follower and I'am also not an atheist. Also, please show me a parallel in any other religion.

AryanWatch

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Hmm, maybe western nations should impose a special tax on Muslims to pay for the increased government spending required to protect the public from Islamic terrorists and to compensate those affected by attacks?

[edit on 7/4/2007 by djohnsto77]

and again your posting your judeofacist agenda crap - stop being so racist.

If able bodied non-muslim men choose not to join the army to fight in Muslim lands, they are charged this tax, to pay to have their home/land/country protected by Muslims.

DJM that's exactly what the goons are doing these days. First they trouble you then your family and then come back to you asking for ' protection money'

Imagine being a non-muslim in a muslim land and having to be treated differently and you will see the truth.

Originally posted by bodrul

source 1
In Islamic teachings, a Muslim is not allowed to force others to convert. "Let there be no compulsion in religion...." (Al-Islam - Al-Baqarah: 256)

edit: thats just one of the sources i have quoted out of many
so many times just to debunk yours/other peoples topics and replies

What do you wanna bet I can come up with hundreds if not thousands of links that clearly show Ilsams right hand does not know what the left one is doing? Yes the Koarn says one thing but others do another so perhaps you should get your facts straight and stop with your nonsense.

Forced conversion to Islam fatal for Christian boy

Kidnapped U.S. Journalists Forced to Convert to Islam

More Egyptian girls forced to convert to Islam

Links to over 5000,000 More

In other words just because you say it is so does not meake it so.


I am also willing to bet contrary to your statements there are Gays within Islam for you to deny it is only showing your own ignorance.

[edit on 7/4/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by AryanWatch
bodrul and neformore - Let's cut the BS right away. I'am mentioning the Quran straightaway.

hows about this you mention the entire paragraphs insted of snipits so
cut your BS out

Originally posted by AryanWatch
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191),
to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123),

191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
slay them (Q. 9: 5),

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

in this it talks about idol wosrhipers, not christians and not jews

Originally posted by AryanWatch
fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 )

O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

from spoils of war talking about actions in war time
and to stand your ground and fight them (invading armies)

65 Lit., "God's enemy and your enemy" - implying that every "enemy of God" (i.e., everyone who deliberately opposes and seeks to undermine the moral laws laid down by God) is, eo ipso, an enemy of those who believe in Him.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29).

oh please it talks about Jews and christians in muslim states who choose not to take up arms and defend their states to pay Tax, if your not willing to defend your city you have to contribute by Tax and read the full text for humiliate them

Originally posted by AryanWatch
Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85).

*The people referred to are the Jews and the Christians. Their acceptance of the Bible, which predicts the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, has made them "witnesses" to the truth of his prophethood. See also verses 70 and 81 above.

Originally posted by AryanWatch
It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11),


It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11),

explained better here

for the rest of your quotes

www.geocities.com...

www.islamicity.com...

next time post the full pparagraphs insted of cherry picking

[edit on 4-7-2007 by bodrul]

Originally posted by shots
What do you wanna bet I can come up with hundreds if not thousands of links that clearly show Ilsams right hand does not know what the left one is doing? Yes the Koarn says one thing but others do another so perhaps you should get your facts straight and stop with your nonsense.

in this day age and with everything thats happening in muslim countries i wont disagree with that.

and easy with the nonsense

i only post what the quran says what these people do arent condoned by the Quran. and believing that makes you very ignorant.

and my facts are straight, what about yours?

great sources by the way

Originally posted by shots
In other words just because you say it is so does not meake it so.

everything i have said i have backed up with paragraphs from the quran with their explanations

Originally posted by shots
I am also willing to bet contrary to your statements there are Gays within Islam for you to deny it is only showing your own ignorance.

they can call them selves muslim but they arent real muslims as its against islam, hence why they are exicuted in islamic countries, thats how mbad homosexuality is seen in islam

[edit on 4-7-2007 by bodrul]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Hmm, maybe western nations should impose a special tax on Muslims to pay for the increased government spending required to protect the public from Islamic terrorists and to compensate those affected by attacks?

we already pay tax

we also serve in the armed forces, which i will be doing soon, joining the TA while i am at Uni.

also will you be compensating the millions of people that have been displaced by the US during the Iraq war, should say we since its coming out our pockets aswell

Originally posted by bodrul
everything i have said i have backed up with paragraphs from the quran with their explanations

I never denied the Koran contained what you claimed. What I denied was your ignorance to admit there are gay Muslims and other Muslims have forced others to convert. Those as much as you want to deny are real hard proven facts. Hell the Catholic Church says being gay is not permitted yet many priests have either been convicted or admitted to being gay and the whole world knows it.

Gays have been around since the creation of man and for you too deny some Muslims might be gay is pure ignorance on your part.

BTW Just because you say they are not Muslims does not mean they are Muslims according to them and I can understand why you rolled your eyes over the links because they prove beyond a doubt that Muslims do force others to covert. Again, you are denying your own ignorance.

Originally posted by shots
BTW Just because you say they are not Muslims does not mean they are Muslims according to them and I can understand why you rolled your eyes over the links because they prove beyond a doubt that Muslims do force others to covert. Again, you are denying your own ignorance.

if you look at the teachings of Islam is forbids forcefull
conversions as they arent truee muslims
as they can easily say "yes i am a muslim" and still prctice their faith (org)

i will post you a source that explains this in more detail

also it may look ignorant on my part but homosexuality is against islam
hence why i dont see them as real muslims

[edit on 4-7-2007 by bodrul]

I don't think I would consider those muslims gay in the first place, because they probably don't think of themselves as gay either, but they are rapists. They likely thought the man they were raping was the only one who is gay because he was on the receiving end. This is just the way islamofascists think...as it was mentioned earlier.
Another thing to point out is how in the hell could it simply be a coincidence that 30 rabid gay men were packed in a room together at the same time? Very unlikely...what is likely is that the islamofascists used rape to punish this man for not converting to islam.
And when you look at the islamic laws in the world you'll see that the rape victims are the ones that end up getting stoned as oppose to the rapists because it is determined that they brought the rape on to themselves. That's just the way islamofascist societies work. I feel for this guy...he won't get justice there, that's for sure.

Originally posted by bodrul
i will post you a source that explains this in more detail

also it may look ignorant on my part but homosexuality is against islam
hence why i dont see them as real muslims

No need to post any sources, I never denied that Islam does not forbid either of them however the truth of the matter is many Muslims (their use not mine) do not even follow your own rules that is a fact you have to live with.

Fact there are gay Muslims Just as there are Gay Catholics

Fact Christians have been forced to convert to Islam

Now kindly deny your own Ignorance and admit it.

Yeah sure - the only people who RAPE are Islamofascists.

Rape Statistics

• Every two and a half minutes, somewhere in America, someone is sexually assaulted.
  
• One in six American women are victims of sexual assault, and one in 33 men.
  
• A total of 17.7 million women have been victims of these crimes.
  
• In 2004-2005, there were an average annual 200,780 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault.
  
• About 44% of rape victims are under age 18, and 80% are under age 30.
  
• About three percent of American men — a total of 2.78 million men — have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime according to the 1998 Prevalence, Incidence and Consequences of Violence Against Women study.
  
  
• CHILDREN:
  93% of juvenile sexual assault victims knew their attacker; 34.2% were family members and 58.7% acquaintences. Only seven percent of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim, according to the 2000 Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law Enforcement.

Welcome to the most civilized country in the West.

Do not get me wrong - I am in no way trying to appologize this act of massive rape over a certain religious dispute; BUT, if I remember, certain Muslim prisoners (who are probably all innocent) in certain detention camps also get raped by their Catholic guards. In anyway, rape is not a "Wicked Ability" of only one religion - but it is a global problem, which has nothing to do with race or color or religion; but it has to do with (usually) Men being completly EVIL.

Originally posted by Souljah
BUT, if I remember, certain Muslim prisoners (who are probably all innocent) in certain detention camps also get raped by their Catholic guards.

I hadn't heard about Muslim prisoners being raped. Can you get us a link?

Originally posted by bodrul
you do know force convertion is against islam

So is suicide, but that doesn't stop the suicide bombers.

Originally posted by bodrul
muslims cant force others to become muslim,

Steve Centani forced to convert to Islam (or die) at gunpoint …. (one among many)

Originally posted by BO XIAN
Certainly it depends on the relative terms . . . "true Muslims" . . .

Good point. Many fundamentalist Christians say that anyone who isn’t a born-again isn’t a ‘true Christian’. People in Islam can’t decide amongst themselves who is a real ‘Muslim’ and who isn’t. There are many different groups in Islam and they all think they have interpreted everything correctly – just as there are many different denominations in Christianity and they all think they have the right interpretation.

It is hard to say who is and who isn’t a ‘true Muslim’ .. it seems that they don’t even know themselves who is and who isn’t.

Originally posted by bodrul
so, you saying because they wait until marige they turn gay?

You are right. Celibacy and/or ‘waiting’ do not turn a person gay.
It doesn’t work that way.

Originally posted by spencerjohnstone
No one deserves to be raped ...

And that’s the bottom line here. NO ONE deserves this. Not for any reason.
And when someone suffers an attack like this they should get medical care and shouldn’t be turned away. This poor soul who was attacked … I can’t imagine his physical and emotional and spiritual pain right now. VERY sad!!

Originally posted by AryanWatch
I'am mentioning the Quran straightaway....

The book has many interpretations, just as Christians have many interpretations of the bible. But yes, please, post the passages.

Originally posted by Harlequin
and again your posting your judeofacist agenda crap - stop being so racist.

Islam isn't a race. He isn't being 'racist'.

Originally posted by Souljah
Yeah sure - the only people who RAPE are Islamofascists.

Um .. where did you see anyone say that the only rapists in the world are Islamofacists?

Originally posted by Souljah
if I remember, certain Muslim prisoners (who are probably all innocent) ...

At least you are consistant. Muslims = all innocent. Catholics = guilty


[edit on 7/4/2007 by FlyersFan]

i am christian but if a group of guys tried to get me to convert i would be like the punisher they would die one by one and if i got caught i would say allah achbar then i would lie and say they were working with cia. i would be a hero. heh heh.