Are '9-11 by Muslim Extremists' racists?

So a reasonable statement is a cop out? Alright.

Please answer some of my questions. As you are taking the side that Muslim extremist were responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

How did they make two identical towers fall to the ground, and then a third building fall to the ground? I want to be on your side of the fence, I just don't see how they were able to accomplish what they did.

Why are we at war with Iraq?

Please answer the initial questions in the post as well. I'm trying to have a discussion, not a you-tube fest.

Hi Spood...

First of all.. i can't tell you why we are at war with Iraq. I don't understand how the cost of a ground war can cost close to a trillion dollars. I am against the war in Iraq. 100% AGAINST it!

You want me to explain how the towers fell? How WTC& fell?

First of all did you read the NIST report? That will explain it to you. WTC7 has preliminary reports out on the explination to this though their final report SHOULD be out soon. (dont hold your breath) I don't have the educational background to give you the specifics as to WHY they fell. I have read the NIST report and I have to tell you, I will trust the 185 engineers that did their study over a google jockey or self proclaimed structural engineer on an internet forum ANYDAY.
Yes NIST was working under the federal government BUT the VAST majority of those working on the project were of the private sector including several universities and public companies.

Because you look at a video, and say... that "looks" like a CD does not make it so. Actually there has been only one CD expert that has claimed that WTC7 looked like a CD. At the time he had no idea what building it was and since then has not commented on it.

I wont forward you to a Goole video or Youtube....Ive seen enough of that stuff as well.

So, tell me, with all respect what evidence have you seen out there that leads YOU to believe this was a CD? My evidence is the NIST report that shows the most likely scenario. The NIST report to date has not been proven wrong by any peer reviewed scientist or engineer since its release.

[edit on 17-6-2007 by CaptainObvious]

Well, think about which group of people "hates" the Muslims the most. You might find out who is really behind all this BS.

I just look at things from a monetary and political standpoint.

The WTC was filled with asbestos, which is poisonous, as it's fire retardant and was going to have to be removed and replace for a lot of money.

The telecommunications in the building were also out dated. Being that it is a trade center for the world having the best lines throughout the building is a must have. This replacement was also going to be costing a lot of money.

It was more cost effective to demolish the buildings and use them as a catalyst for a plan that had been in the works for a long time.

George W. Bush, who's father (mentioned a New World Order in a state of the union address in 1991 and was president during the Gulf War against Iraq) and grand-father (Nazi supporter) both go way back in US politics, just happens to win the most scandelous election in history. The recount happened in a state that his brother was the governor of.

The election is stolen and no one says any more about it. The wheels are in motion for this New World Order. 9-11, the towers were hit and demolished in the time of the American public's attention span, the pentagon is struck to ensure an act of war can be declared, then the 'war on terror' begins (A faceless enemy that can be hiding anywhere, how convenient). The Patriot Act is brought into effect and no one has any privacy to protect us from terrorists that may or may not exist.

The European Union is eight years old (fourteen now) at the time of the 9-11 and now the North American Union is in the works. 9-11 was a catalyst for the formation of a New World Order and an unquestionable government.

The physics of the WTC collapse aren't really as important to me as the reasons behind it, and the future it will bring.

Originally posted by downtown436
Well, think about which group of people "hates" the Muslims the most. You might find out who is really behind all this BS.

It would make a lot of sense that Israel had a big hand in framing their enemy.

Bill Clinton is close knit with Israel and was the bridge president between George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush.

His wife Hillary (democrat) is now running for president, as well as the Mayor of New York during 9-11, Rudy Giuliani (republican): are you seeing a pattern of opposition for the same cause?

Kerry and Bush were both members of a 15 member seniors only fraternity at Yale called Skull & Bones and ran against each other in 2004. How coincidental.

Originally posted by Spoodily
I just look at things from a monetary and political standpoint.

The WTC was filled with asbestos, which is poisonous, as it's fire retardant and was going to have to be removed and replace for a lot of money.

The telecommunications in the building were also out dated. Being that it is a trade center for the world having the best lines throughout the building is a must have. This replacement was also going to be costing a lot of money.

It was more cost effective to demolish the buildings and use them as a catalyst for a plan that had been in the works for a long time.

George W. Bush, who's father (mentioned a New World Order in a state of the union address in 1991 and was president during the Gulf War against Iraq) and grand-father (Nazi supporter) both go way back in US politics, just happens to win the most scandelous election in history. The recount happened in a state that his brother was the governor of.

The election is stolen and no one says any more about it. The wheels are in motion for this New World Order. 9-11, the towers were hit and demolished in the time of the American public's attention span, the pentagon is struck to ensure an act of war can be declared, then the 'war on terror' begins (A faceless enemy that can be hiding anywhere, how convenient). The Patriot Act is brought into effect and no one has any privacy to protect us from terrorists that may or may not exist.

The European Union is eight years old (fourteen now) at the time of the 9-11 and now the North American Union is in the works. 9-11 was a catalyst for the formation of a New World Order and an unquestionable government.

The physics of the WTC collapse aren't really as important to me as the reasons behind it, and the future it will bring.

Again Spoonie...1/2 truths.

The WTC was NOT filled with asbestos. I don't feel like doing anymore leg work ... it's fathers day and my kids want to go to the beach.

I believe the WTC had asbestos only to the 64th floor in only one of the towers. you can confirm this. Most of the time, asbestos does not hve to be removed unless it has been disturbed...im not sure about the WTC though.

i have to laugh about an "outdated" telecommunications system"....come on now...are you serious? ALL buildings constantly get upgrades in their communications..etc
CATV used to be run on RG49 and now is run on RG 6
computers used to run on phone lines, then twisted pairs...then CAT5 ...as technology evolves...yes you have to upgrade. This is typically done as a "capital improvement" that is tax deductable as an improvement to your property.

Yes Bush stole the election in 2000. It's now 2007, im still waiting for the NWO to take over...or martial law to be imposed.

Once again, blame the Jews! They hate muslims so they kill 3 thousand americans and blame it on the muslims.

Back up your theory's with some facts. I doubt you can.

Originally posted by Spoodily

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I refused to go into the rest of it, but Are '9-11 by Muslim Extremists' racists??

Most likely not. Perhaps... but then religion and the West are not a race.

It is those two things that fundamental islam use to justify their attacks on western society. Our polytheist or apostate and western 'immoral' way of life.

Hell, they will kill apostates from their own kin (such as their own brothers and sisters who leave the faith), their own children who accept non-islamic values (such as make-up and boyfriends) and are willing to kill themselves for the glory of their god to kill as many people they see as unbelievers who are in their way. That is the extremist fundamental islamist. They are all too willing to attack us for their beliefs.

It has nothing to do with race.

Please note, I am not describing all muslims but those who adhere to the basic tenets of sharia law.

Originally posted by Spoodily
Are '9-11 by Muslim Extremists' racists?

Nope. People who acknowledge that the 9/11 perps were 19 radical Muslim extremists are not racist because they acknowledge that. Those that acknowledge it are just stating a fact. Period.

edited to add .. Islam is not a race.



[edit on 6/17/2007 by FlyersFan]

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Spoondiy.....Spoonie...

If you mispell my name one more time I'm going to have to doubt your ability to even coherently read and comprehend these reports and facts you're so fond of. Please stop trying to be cute in a serious discussion.

If there wasn't asbestos in the buildings, and it was completely safe of other toxins, why are the firefighters and rescue workers dying now from inhaling the air? They were told it was safe. The building was ancient for its use.

Martial law was imposed in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, because the system failed the city of New Orleans. Some people even speculate those levies were compromised intentionally.

The new financial center of the world is in Dubai, also the new headquarters of Halliburton. The World Trade Center was outdated and of no use anymore.

The Zionists being involved in killing 3,000 people to destroy the Muslims is not an impossibility, or impractical. It actually seems like a very good strategy.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Islam is not a race.
[edit on 6/17/2007 by FlyersFan]

Do you have a suggestion as to how to refer to the group of people we are talking about? I will happily use it instead.

Originally posted by Spoodily

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Spoondiy.....Spoonie...

If you mispell my name one more time I'm going to have to doubt your ability to even coherently read and comprehend these reports and facts you're so fond of. Please stop trying to be cute in a serious discussion.

I'll go you one better. This happens again and you're going to be wearing a red flag CO.

I was wondering if I was pushing it. I thought I toned it down enough.

Originally posted by Spoodily
I was wondering if I was pushing it. I thought I toned it down enough.

Not you, CO.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by Spoodily
I was wondering if I was pushing it. I thought I toned it down enough.

Not you, CO.

Ahhh, thank you.

Originally posted by Spoodily
Do you have a suggestion as to how to refer to the group of people we are talking about? I will happily use it instead.

I'm not sure. Islam isn't a race. It's a religion.

I'm just addressing that to the topic question - because it's impossible to call someone a 'racist' if they say something negative about some members of a religion. You can call someone anti-Islamic if they blindly hate everyone Islamic or blindly hate Islam (*note - I said blindly) ... but I don't think you can call them 'racist' ... since Islam isn't a race.

If someone hates Catholics simply because they are Catholic, that isn't racism, that's anti-catholicms.

If someone hates Islamics simply because they are Islamic, I would think the same would apply.

Dunno. But I don't think you can call it 'racism'.

Originally posted by Spoodily
If there wasn't asbestos in the buildings, and it was completely safe of other toxins, why are the firefighters and rescue workers dying now from inhaling the air? They were told it was safe. The building was ancient for its use.
Martial law was imposed in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, because the system failed the city of New Orleans. Some people even speculate those levies were compromised intentionally.
The new financial center of the world is in Dubai, also the new headquarters of Halliburton. The World Trade Center was outdated and of no use anymore.
The Zionists being involved in killing 3,000 people to destroy the Muslims is not an impossibility, or impractical. It actually seems like a very good strategy.

Spoodily

Not to sound disrespectful sir, but your entire theory is based on PURE specualtion and speculation only. You have not responded to one thing I posted and it is my belief that you have not done any true research into what happened on 911. All you have done is stated that the two 110 storey buildings were "outdated". How old is the empire state building? Anyone planning on blowing that up cuz its outdated?

Next you blame the Jews.

Katrina was a natural disaster that had failures from all levels of government. It was a complete MESS and still is. There are still bodies in the morgues that have not been acounted for. Still...this in NO WAY adds any evidence to the fact that 911 was an inside job or that the jews did it.

Please share with me and other readers here what evidence you have that states that the WTC was "outdated" and losing money. Like i posted before...the WTC was at a 96% occupancy rate.

Well, all my Muslim friends are of the same race, and none of my other friends are Muslim, so I figured it was appropriate. I am refering to people of middle-eastern descent and of brown complexion, who also practice Islam.

My indian friends, who are Hindu, were getting spit/swore after 9-11 at for being brown, because they were assumed to be Muslim.

Originally posted by Spoodily
Well, all my Muslim friends are of the same race, and none of my other friends are Muslim, so I figured it was appropriate. I am refering to people of middle-eastern descent and of brown complexion, who also practice Islam.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't they be Arabs(race) and Muslim(religion)?

Same as a person could be any race yet still a Christian?

My indian friends, who are Hindu, were getting spit/swore after 9-11 at for being brown, because they were assumed to be Muslim.

Yeah, we had that happen here too. Some ignorant buttheads burned down a Sikh temple. :shk:

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Spoodily

Not to sound disrespectful sir, but your entire theory is based on PURE specualtion and speculation only. You have not responded to one thing I posted and it is my belief that you have not done any true research into what happened on 911. All you have done is stated that the two 110 storey buildings were "outdated". How old is the empire state building? Anyone planning on blowing that up cuz its outdated?

Next you blame the Jews.

Katrina was a natural disaster that had failures from all levels of government. It was a complete MESS and still is. There are still bodies in the morgues that have not been acounted for. Still...this in NO WAY adds any evidence to the fact that 911 was an inside job or that the jews did it.

Please share with me and other readers here what evidence you have that states that the WTC was "outdated" and losing money. Like i posted before...the WTC was at a 96% occupancy rate.

Where is your proof that Muslim extremists were the cause of 9-11?

Where are my answers to the original four questions I have asked?

I mention New Orleans because you said you were waiting for martial law. They used it there.

I see the group I am accusing (a large network of wealthy, influencial people that range from US politicians and citizens, Israeli politicians and citizens and whoever else that supports a NWO to achieve a goal that in their own respect is beneficial to them) as having much more in favor of them being guilty than faceless terrorists that could reside any where in the world and have no country of origin. I don't see the motivation for 'terrorists' to do this attack when I have laid out so much in favor of the people trying to build this 'New World Order' they have mentioned in televised speaches (Clinton and Bush Sr. have both said this phrase).

I don't read those reports because they are trash, I try to think for myself in as much of an unbiased form as I can. I watched 9-11 happen live on tv and have seen the replays and the aftermath the following days/weeks/months/years. I lost my early 20s to this 9-11 terror charade and now have friends that joined the military because they wanted to 'do the right thing'. I worry that my muslim/hindu friends will be the target of violence because their countries of origin have been framed. I am tired of this government treating people like they are stupid and making them live in perpetual fear that started with something as simple as the Y2K bug. These are the conclusions I have come to. The USA, it's president and his associate's have blood on their hands.

The people responsible are manipulating all the evidence to their favor because they can, they are part of the most powerful nation in the world's government. They are using fear as a control tool and sabotaging their opponents. It's terrorism.