Alleged spacecraft/objects on moon

Here are images VERY SIMILAR ot John Lenards images, but are taken by a DIFFERENT AMATEUR ASTRONOMER and are identified as THE ISS.

Image of ISS

www.space.com...

This is readily identified as the International Space Station, the ISS in orbit about Earth. Taken by another www.space.com... user named:

ISS, Submitted by: maginoiss

...and here...

ISS again....

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So these two images by another user at www.space.com... identify the same sort of anomalies as listed by John Lenard as the ISS (possibly MIR)...

More ISS, look familiar to John Lenards?




All of these ISS images above were posted by another amateur astronomer, only this one KNEW what the heck he/she was imaging, which I assert John Lenard to also have known what he was imaging as well. See my previous post for JL comments in the nasa forums that show he IS AWARE f what the ISS looks like and what satellites look like when imaged from the ground by amateurs.

Also these above images are all of the ISS and appear similar to some of what JL has presented to space.com images. There are also satellite images taken by a ground telescopes by amateurs that are also simialr to the other Lenard images he presents.

Originally posted by Implosion

Originally posted by Stale Cracker
Unfortunately unless John replies to my emails all we can do is wait for his "data dump" which he mentioned at the end of his first email:

"...... am getting all the data in the correct place for all the world to see every person will be able to see these space craft soon".
".....all what you need to find these space craft will be online soon".

What's the betting that the "data dump" in question is the movie Interstellar?

God I hope not!!! It wouldn't null our hypothesis, but I know Escamilla doesn't carry much weight in these forums and it certainly would make John suspect by association.



That being said I finally finished reviewing the first of several old ATS links regarding John's claims. The first thread posted dates from September 2004, when ATS user dizznod sited a report by amature astronomer Ted Anderson in UFO Roundup "UFO ACTIVITY UP SHARPLY NEAR BIG DIPPER STARGATE". This appears to be the first mention of UFOs in that region, most recently culminating in this current thread based on information provided by John Lenard.

I also did a search for "Arcturus ufo" and came across this site which was seemingly made by/for the above mentioned ted Anderson. If you notice it appears to be the same data, just slightly modified on the we-are-not-alone website.

Based on this initial review I am making the following two assumptions.

1. John Lenard is no longer vital to further research in this case.He seems to have started looking for the unknowns after being made aware of them. I am confident we have discovered the source material inspiring him to look for these potential unknowns. Therefore I feel comfortable eliminating John as an essential piece to this puzzle. It is regretable however that he never forewarded his pics from nasaspaceflight.com which led to the "sanitization" of his complete thread there.

2. The site we-are-not-alone.com John referenced appears to be based almost entirely on content either plagarized from or copied with permission from Tom Anderson's site about these alleged objects. Page here.


By these 2 assumptions I am discarding both John Lenard and we-are-not-alone as primary sources for further research unless he resumes communications (I will still be referring to his space.com pics however). I will be referencing Tom Anderson and his page instead as sources for further research.









[edit on 21-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

While reviewing the first Tom Anderson ATS post I noticed a few users actually tried to substantiate his claims with their own scopes!

There were a total of 4 users who investigated hTom Anderson's claims with telescopes. Interestingly enough half of them had positive hits....

Users with POSITIVE hits....
User moxyone:

posted on 21-9-2004 @ 02:51 PM

In his defense, I pulled out my 6 inch reflector a few months ago and happened to briefly sight to rapidly moving red objects.

I have never seen anything like it before and since.

User dizznod:

posted on 23-9-2004 @ 11:48 PM

I was looking in the area that he said with my friends new $2000 telescope and we saw stuff. Now the stuff we saw looked like little red ants running around or bees for that matter. My friend could not believe his own eyes, he thought I was smoking crack when I told him about the UFO's in this area. Hmmmm................

[edit on 9/23/2004 by dizznod]

Users with NEGATIVE hits....
User K_OS:

posted on 5-10-2004 @ 12:34 AM

Well, nothing to report... I spent hours out tonight with multiple scopes... There were about 6 satellites out including 3 that passed though Ursa Major, but nothing out of the ordinary.

It could be an illusion when Ursa Major "The Big Dipper" is close to the horizon. It gives the twinking effect.

User ZOOMER:

posted on 8-10-2004 @ 08:37 PM single this post "quote"REPLY


I read with interest the statements made by the Astronomer or
whoever he is, about a portal where ships were going in and out
of the vicinity of the Big Dipper.

He said the portal is located left or West of the Whirlpool galaxy,
or M51. This galaxy is located below the binary star system of
Mizar and Alcor. Both of these stars are approximately 80 light
years from Earth.

A few nights ago I went out and set up my Meade and took a peek.
I can clearly see Mizar and Alcor with no problem. I then looked below
those stars to find the galaxy, but could not locate it.

Now, if these space craft, or whatever you call them, are actually
visible, then they would have to be, let's see, maybe a couple of million
miles wide to be visible. Don't think so. I have heard some of these
mother ships are huge, but not that big.

Also, if the crafts are close to these stars in the Big Dipper, I would
suspect we would see the light or reflection from them that was put
off around 80 years ago.

Even if I had the worlds largest light bucket, I couldn't see what this
guy is talking about. I think he was seeing the lightning bugs in front
of his scope. I am not saying it is not possible of a portal in this area,
but impossible to see them with any Earth based telescope, not even
the Hubble could detect something as small as a flying saucer, no matter how humungous it is.

If he truly was seeing objects, then they were super close to Earth and only in the direction of the Binary stars, making it look like they were in
the thick of things. Just my opinion. Thanks!

ZOOMER

btw here is where these things are supposed to be again...




[edit on 21-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

Originally posted by Moserious
Interesting work undo. I have no expertise in Photoshop but I am interested in what you think these images show now that they have been "clarified". Did you do this with any of the others and if so what did you find with them? Thanks.

There are too many cuts in this one, in order to splice the different views
together
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Same with this one
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And this one
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And this one
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This one was rather devoid of detail in clarify, although it seemed to
be surrounded by a darker area than the rest of the pic. Something about it is not quite .....well i wouldn't say it's not right, more like it's not making alot of sense to me. however, in the split HSL it appears to have that disk with wedge missing shape. it's not very clear though.
www.space.com...

This one has an interesting clarify but the split HSL just shows the seams of where the image was stitched together and that's about it. there's a little something but nothing discernible
www.space.com...
This one with clarify has some squarish and rectangular stuff in the background. not sure what it is but looks like constructs of some sort. the split hsl wasn't very revealing.
www.space.com...

Not sure about this one.
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Or this one
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Or this one
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The resolution on this one in the background is too blotchy to tell
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This one in clarify appears to be on the side of a 3dimensional structure, that looks rather rectangular, almost pyramidal. it reminds me a bit of how the Borg ship looks in Star Trek or how a building on the corner of two streets looks from the corner angle, if that makes sense
www.space.com...

This is an older website, but the mothership pics seem somewhat relevant. An ex-security guard at Missouri State Prison in Jefferson City, Missouri, Gil McDonald, has been witness to, and documented, ET and ufo (what he calls a freighter) activity in and around this old prison.

the craft pics that undo posted in his posts on page 11 of this thread made me think of the mothership photo from Gil's page - LINKED HERE.

His website is cosmostarman.tripod.com.

Gil said that this old prison seems to have been a headquarters for a lot of "cloaked" ET activity, and that recently (2006) the federal government has come in and purchased the property.

This is what Gil said about the location,

The old missouri state prison (that I frequently refer to as the 'alien base of operations' - aka .. abo) located in jefferson city, missouri, (which I often refer to as the state of missery) was closed and decomissioned early in 2005. At first they said some of the buildings were on the historic register and should be preserved and some of the buildings would be converted to a shopping center, maybe some areas used for the county jail and maybe some use for the county courthouse.

Last week (this post was made January 12, 2006) they said the education building had been rebuilt as a lab (mil-lab???) for someone (i didn't get all the details) and a new public library would be built on the property with a wonderful view of the river. Today they said the property was no longer available for the library as the property has been taken over by the federal government.

I wonder what took them so long!!!!! They are telling the general public the feds are going to build a new federal court house on the property.??? Really!!! There was no public info. given as to the fed's paying anything for the property. It seems they just moved in and took over.

SOURCE

I also found this story interesting: Mystery of the Alien Satellite.

[edit on 21-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

yeah, I see what you mean... Those are some crazy pics he has. I'd love to see some from that same angle and location in daylight as controls. I definitely do see the resembelance to some of the Lenard pics...

Originally posted by Stale Cracker
The site we-are-not-alone.com John referenced appears to be based almost entirely on content either plagarized from or copied with permission from Tom Anderson's site about these alleged objects. Page here.

Good work Stale on your work so far in this thread

What I found on the we-are-not-alone site (www.we-are-not-alone.us...) and the page that Ted made at the site (www.uforc.com...) is that they are made by the same person, namely, Ted Anderson.

The two sites are one and the same, I'm guessing that he made a proper domain name to present his theory instead of the original location...

Heres the info: whois.domaintools.com...

Domain Name: WE-ARE-NOT-ALONE.US
Registrant Name: Theodore Anderson
Registrant Organization: FANTASIA
Registrant City: Mount Vernon
Registrant State/Province: WA
Registrant Postal Code: 98273

[edit on 6/21/2007 by greatlakes]

Great Lakes I commend your work on this thread. The pictures you posted of the ISS on page 12 are certainly (as you know) the ISS. While some of JL's pics may be the ISS some are not IMO. Just because JL may have taken pictures of the ISS does not mean that all of his pics are of the ISS. That would just be plain ignorant to imply that because one (or two or three or whatever) of his pics are, or look like, the ISS then we should discount the others. With all of your hard work I wonder why you are going that direction?

Originally posted by Moserious While some of JL's pics may be the ISS some are not IMO. Just because JL may have taken pictures of the ISS does not mean that all of his pics are of the ISS. That would just be plain ignorant to imply that because one (or two or three or whatever) of his pics are, or look like, the ISS then we should discount the others.

The images appear to be ISS and other satellites imaged from Earth by John Lenard. This is where the image evidence seems to lie. There are numerous examples of the JL images looking like what many other amateur stronomers have taken and HAVE KNOWN THEM to be man-made objects. In order to image these fast moving object (satellites and the ISS) as an astronomer, you really need to know just where to look. I've said that before because its true and I think JL knows it as well because hes aware of the orbital tracks as published and thus knows just where to look in the sky.

Take a look at just so many more examples, all from amateurs, and all stating CLEARLY that what theyve imaged are MANMADE orbiting objects.



This one looks like a KLINGON attack vessel! A daylight sighting of the ISS.









This one is amazing, it shows the different look that a spacecraft would have at different orientations and how it could be perceived to be a alien spacecraft etc...






[edit on 6/21/2007 by greatlakes]

Well, they wouldn't necessarily be all space pics. Some look like moon pics. One or two even look like mars pics. The detail in some of them is too anomalous to be any pics I've seen to date, of the moon or mars. So I don't think they are borrowed from other moon / mars pics, unless someone recognizes the clarifies i did on the previous page to this one.

You may be right that JL's images turn out to be all man made objects. With that being said, I have not yet been made aware that they have been identified. In fact I have not seen anybody on this thread take even one of his images and identify it. IMHO some if not all of his images are unKNOWN. I did not say ET just unknown.

Originally posted by Moserious
You may be right that JL's images turn out to be all man made objects. With that being said, I have not yet been made aware that they have been identified. In fact I have not seen anybody on this thread take even one of his images and identify it. IMHO some if not all of his images are unKNOWN. I did not say ET just unknown.

Its hard to identify anything of his because he hasn't been forthcoming with ANY of his details or information regards to the images themselves nor the imaging techniques nor of his equipment. Also his location in the sky, his actual ground location, nothing nada.

This smacks of purposeful hoax. Presenting only 'some' information but never enough so that researchers could narrow down and possibly find out that it is in fact a hoax or not. With that said I believe we've presented enough evidence for most of the ATS'ers here on this thread to conclude that the Lenard images are of man-made orbiting items.

I think that John Lenard knows that if he gave us the coordinates or if he posted the coordinates at the time of the image posting, like any good astronomer would do when asking "hey what is this thing I imaged?", that the images would prove to be man-made items.



[edit on 6/21/2007 by greatlakes]

GreatLakes,

wanna address my comments to you on the subject?
i'm really not convinced by his images either but one thing that stands out
are the backgrounds on some of them.

(edit to correct spelling)

[edit on 21-6-2007 by undo]

Which ones undo, I missed it...Didn't see any pertaining to me specifically...

Im also looking at the differences in Earth based images of satellites between images made with CCD cameras versus made from 35mm cameras. There seems to be a difference and some of the wiping effects are seen.

GreatLakes,

I posted them on the previous page of this thread and on John Lear's Moon thread. Either one will work.

undo: You mean in regards to your clarify filtered images? Maybe an expert image analysis can chime in on that...But for me, it looks like image artifacts, lighting flare effects, compression artifacts etc. Again its really hard when JL gives no further information on the images, how they were taken, when, where, what nor provides any higher quality/resolution images.

The bottom 2 images look like these of the MIR station.
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And heres another ISS one, notice the bright and dark parts, looks like a base or tower of some sort eh...


What it is really though is here, cool eh?



[edit on 6/21/2007 by greatlakes]

This looks like compression artifacts and light flares?
All I did was lighten it a bit with Clarify. lol To me, it looks
like structures (not the "ship" but the background)



[edit on 21-6-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
All I did was lighten it a bit with Clarify. lol To me, it looks
like structures (not the "ship" but the background)

As I said-not an image analysis guy...Submit it to someone like Jritzman here at ATS-see what he thinks.

From the little info Lenard DID give us, he states that is spacecraft images were taken from a portion of the nightsky, not from any planet or moon in our solar system...take a look at your 1st image in your other post, see all of the square, blocky portions there, those are artificial image artifacts. Also I see many 'wispy' looking items in the bottom images (#1 and #2?) which leads me to think that flare causes some of that as well.

Originally posted by greatlakes

What it is really though is here, cool eh?

Greatlakes this is kind of off topic but do you have a day job? Thanks in advance for your time.