Alleged spacecraft/objects on moon

Hi John, You make some very interesting points and pose some tough but poignant questions.

You got me thinking about a few disparate lines of thought we here in the Aliens/UFO section seem to kick around often, and roll them into one speculative hypothesis...

Humans have had advanced propulsion and ships utilizing this propulsive mechanism for air, space, and probably underwater travel for an unknown number of years. It appears this capability has been firmly established and kept secret. Having these capabilities it is not unreasonable to presume the existance of and convenience of establishing resource aquisition(mining)/processing on local orbiting bodies, such as the Moon. Orbiting platforms would help with resource distribution and serve as a perimiter network to monitor local earth-moon traffic. Having a firmly established space infrastructure and advanced propulsion would open up the rest of our local system for resource exploitation from which the infrastructure can be further grown. A Martian base/colony would also be a likely development as capability expanded to support it.

All that and I didn't even need to involve ET

Basically I'm trying to build a context from what we already "know" which would accomodate the supposed Lenard "starships". This is pure speculation on my part... just turning puzzle pieces around to see what fits.
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Does this jive with what you're getting at John (Lear) ?

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

John Lear has provided a reasonable hypothesis to work from... 30+ platforms perhaps of mixed origins, supporting some description of "efforts" in space outside of common knowledge.

Hmmm. It would seem some "proof" of this orbital capability "should" be given some research attention. I'd suggest that one possible avenue of research is to try and get data on the orbital paths and develop a capacity to verify some of these "things" as recently claimed by the French. What that would take? Don't know... but ATS folks are pretty much in "the place" to do this if anyone is. I'm not especially optimistic, mostly just patient and stubborn and "see" answers dangling more questions.

I'd hope for an "Alternative 3" altruistic (save an element of humanity) answer... but I think greed, avaris and control are a more likely theme. I would like to be wrong. Perhaps some folks have better ideas to offer for consideration in resolving and documenting some of these more or less buried "facts".

Cheers,

Vic

Mo' please turn down your caboose or put a warning label on it for those of us with nitro on the menu... (kidding) - it's hard not to look at - even my quarter century younger than I Missus' says it a weapon she'd like to have at the dojo.

Originally posted by Moserious
I think we would all like to know what these are and if an "expert" could weigh in with his 2 cents then that would be helpful.

I'm always rather cynical about the views offered by "experts". As I'm so fond of pointing out, it's thanks to "experts" that paintings by Elmyr were hung in art galleries and called Picasso's. It's thanks to "experts" that Clifford Irving managed to get paid for a fake "autobiography" of Howard Hughes.

Having the credentials is no guarantee against being dead wrong.

Originally posted by Implosion

Originally posted by Moserious
I think we would all like to know what these are and if an "expert" could weigh in with his 2 cents then that would be helpful.

I'm always rather cynical about the views offered by "experts". As I'm so fond of pointing out, it's thanks to "experts" that paintings by Elmyr were hung in art galleries and called Picasso's. It's thanks to "experts" that Clifford Irving managed to get paid for a fake "autobiography" of Howard Hughes.

Having the credentials is no guarantee against being dead wrong.

Yep you're right it is no guarantee but what's the problem with looking for another opinion? jritzman does have the credentials and he is well respected in this forum. Both him and David Biedny have worked to analyze photos/images here on the forum. I don't understand why you are getting all worked up about it. I am going to try and get his opinion and if you don't want it don't read it. jritzman has more knowledge than I on image analysis and he also has his own forum here at ATS. If I want to try and get his opinion then I'm going to do it. I don't remember saying that whatever jritzman says is the end all to this thread. I'm just looking for another opinion Bro.

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Moserious]

No problem, not getting worked up in the least, just airing an opinion. That alright with you?

Originally posted by Implosion
No problem, not getting worked up in the least, just airing an opinion. That alright with you?

Of course that's alright. I enjoy your feedback and opinions. We share a common interest in this thread and I am just trying to get something new and hopefully insightful. I'd like to see some headway made in this badboy before it starts to lose traction. Aiight?

Ok, finished (finally) reviewing all known previous ATS threads on this subject. I'm going to post correspondence from ATS user LordBucket to Ted Anderson from this old ATS thread.

Originally posted by LordBucket
I received a reply to my information request. Here's the text of the message he sent me. Portions in italics are my comments:


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Hello UFO Believer

Thank you for your request.

The news Press release means I will send information, not my T.S. PowerPoint presentations.

If you want to see my PowerPoint presentations, they’re Top Secret and have to be seen in person – I’m the creator and the MC which will explain what is taking place and how important it is, all humans on Earth must know something is taking place. Please contact all News agencies, TV Studios and request an Event Coordinator to open an event to the public in your town/area.

Three Red glowing Alien Security Vehicles are controlling what I call “UFO Universe Freeway Portal”

Since August 24th, 2004 they have closed down this portal and have
stopped mother ships from dropping off/unloading their planetary ships. This also means, the UFO’s that are on Earth, can’t leave, which is causing another problem.

Comment: Hmm. Ok. So if we look where you tell us to look, we're not going to see anything, is what you're saying? It's been running since 1968...and what...you waited to mention it until a YEAR AFTER IT STOPPED? Excuse me?



If you want to know exactly what is taking place – plan an event, contact a Event Coordinator in your area, contact the news/TV stations, then contact me by email, the location and contact information.

Comment: Wait...didn't you just say this four or five sentences ago? Can we say money making or publicity agenda?

I have the equipment to show 100 to 100,000 attendees. Please make calls, use your local yellow pages and find a good venue location.

Comment: Uh-huh. How how much do you charge for this?



Thanks again

Ted

Email: [email protected]



The following images are from my presentation, which will last 1 – ½ hour.

PowerPoint: Area 51

PowerPoint: UFO Portal Proof


Major concerns to Humans, all should be informed what is taking place!

Comment: There are three images attached to the email, which I don't at present have the ability to to make available. One is just a generic introductory splash screen, the second is the image mentioned by Spreadthetruth above at img24.imageshack.us... and the third is a larger version of the second image on a photograph of the night sky, with stars visible.

Copy this, laminate it: Fax/Email/Scan/Use for meetings/friends/family/UFO Believers



You have to have good eyes to see these ships; they’re very small and are hard to see

Comment: Yeah...we're used to that. Unfortunately we don't seem to have invented telescopes yet out here in Southern California.

You have to be in a dark area, not in a city or around bright street lights

If you can SEE red in a black/dark area, you should be able to see them

You can only see them, if you have a direct line sight of the Dipper

The Big Dipper is moving North over Canada for the Winter

Comment: See them? I thought you already said the portal was shut down on Auguest 24th of 2004, so the UFO's are no longer visible?


Please contact your News, Event Coordinator and plan a Presentation

Comment: Deja vue.

Your area should know, the World MUST KNOW

Sincerely, Ted



Updating one of my domains for UFO Research

www.fantasiaproductions.com



I’m looking forward to your response; after viewing the Portal, if you can, please let me know what you think about this…Sincerely, Concerned - Ted

Comment: I'll probably send a followup...but so far I'm not feeling optimistic. Looks like a money making scheme to me. I'll post a followup if I have any new information.


[edit on 30-8-2005 by LordBucket]

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My plate is full this weekend but God-willing I'll at least set up my camcorder (Panasonic DV am GS-11). It is NOT night-vision/IR capable, but it DOES have a super low-lux setting. Only thing is the frame rate takes an enormous hit when in this mode, but it's all I have as my Celestron still needs collomated. Once I get my equipment working I should be able to get some shots uploaded as I have a Cam mount for my scope that I'm dying to use.

It's supposed to be clear here tonight, so I'll see what I can do.




edit..... I keep calling this guy TOM instead of TED...... doh

[edit on 22-6-2007 by Stale Cracker]

Well I finally got out tonight.. not much to report aside from a meteorite crossing the 'dipper

I had some great views of the moon at waxing first quarter

I also got some viewing of the Arcturus-Muphrid corridor off the handle of the dipper. Nothing to report, but I didn't review my cam film yet.
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This got me thinking... Supposedly the UFO corridor is 500km distance from earth. This converts to about 311 miles. (I have no idea as to where Ted Anderson got this number, as he offers no pics of objects
at all to support his claims. You would need to be observing these objects from 2 separate locations significantly distanced so as to make ranging possible).


For reference the moon orbits approx 239,000 miles. And the ISS orbits at the most at 215 miles.

So the supposed UFO hyperspace jump-gate / patrol vessels are 100 miles "out" from the ISS. Well within Low Earth Orbit.

Now the reason I calculated this is to figure if Earth or Moon-shine would have any effect on the supposed vessels patrolling this cooridor. If between the Earth and Moon they should be subject a a more diverse range of lighting conditions, of which only a few optimal alignments may be able to illuminate them.

I PROPOSE that any "ships" patrolling this area would FIT THE APPARENT BRIGHTNESS SIGNATURE as the ISS.. under certain circumstances.

This is important in that it if the jumpgate/objects are truely in orbit they are well within low-earth orbit of 124-1240 miles. So they may be imaged at the approximate same field of depth as the ISS and other satellites in LEO...


What's that saying about "hiding things in plain sight"?



Getting late, so I'm out.

If the picture is real it looks like a monster two me.

After reading the Ghost Raven thread I wondered if anyone thought that the JL objects could possibly be related to what Ghost Raven is predicting. For those who do not know he says that there will be events in the sky beginning in July and escalating to August.

I am under the impression that these "events in the sky" will be human generated and I was thinking about the logistics of making this happen. If this would need to be done by satellite maybe some of these "craft" that JL caught with his scope are part of the "act". Project Blue Beam has been mentioned in the GR thread and I wonder if these are not a part of said project.

Or....could they possibly be the alleged alien ships from Ghost Raven's thread being staged for the upcoming events? Or better yet American made "ET" ships to be used to carry out the plan mentioned by Ghost Raven. I know that this is all speculation but I was curious to see if anyone else thought these two threads may be related???

Originally posted by Moserious Project Blue Beam has been mentioned in the GR thread and I wonder if these are not a part of said project.

Well if GR's stuff is part of Project Blue Beam then you have just uncovered the Greatest Hoax

Its interesting how many sites there are discussing it, yet only one original source...Serge Monast, a Canadian journalist. NWO Deception: Faked Rapture and Project Blue Beam... Yup sounds like something NASA would be into

Of course maybe thats just a cover and the real Project Blue Beam is a scalar energy beam weapon... but hey what do I know?



[edit on 26-6-2007 by zorgon]

I'd have to say that most of those pictures are of comets, space debris and a few obvious satellites, the one on the moon with the towers could be interesting, but it looks a bit fake to me.

Interesting to see people taking an interest in Ted, I seem to remember when his site first came to light it was roundly dismissed. Thing is, I actualy saw these things before he made his site. About 5 years ago from southern Uk I saw the three red 'craft' whizzing about just as he describes and seeming to converge and disappear into an invisible black disc. At the time I thought the only thing that could have explained it was some kind of laser display (as they were a dull red colour) but dismissed that as unlikely. My only ufo sighting and I was quite surprised to find that Ted had seen them and described exactly (more or less) the part of the sky I saw them. Not sure about his interpretation, but as far as I'm concerned the red ufos exist.

Only one person pointed out what I see and no one here even paid attention to him.

When you look at the pictures close up don't you see the Grey. He pointed it out couldn't be clearer. What would a Grey's face be doing there in the object like that????

The post was on Page 2 by Anomic of Nihilism don't you see the little follow, I do.

[edit on 28-6-2007 by observe50]

Originally posted by observe50
When you look at the pictures close up don't you see the Grey. He pointed it out couldn't be clearer. What would a Grey's face be doing there in the object like that????

Eh errr can you say Pareidolia?

The term pareidolia (pronounced /pɛɹaɪˈdoliə/ or /pæɹaɪˈdəʊliə/), referenced in 1994 by Steven Goldstein,[1] describes a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon, and hidden messages on records played in reverse. The word comes from the Greek para- — amiss, faulty, wrong — and eidolon — image (the diminutive of eidos — appearance, form). Pareidolia is a type of apophenia.

en.wikipedia.org...

Don't you think it is just a little funny if these pictures are from space that of all things that you can see there just happens to be a Grey Alien head/face right there in front of your eyes.

I don't know maybe Grandmom better cut down to a half can of beer before bed.

Well, It's a shame this thread has come to a halt. I still haven't got the faintest idea what these things are. I'm Just looking at his collection on Space.com again. One of them is now missing, broken link. Was it always that way? My memory is shocking, but I don't recall

Some certainly look as though they could be the ISS:





Some certainly do not:







I'd also still love to know some more about this shot:

Originally posted by Stale Cracker
Once I get my equipment working I should be able to get some shots uploaded as I have a Cam mount for my scope that I'm dying to use.

Did you ever have any luck with that?

Originally posted by observe50
Don't you think it is just a little funny if these pictures are from space that of all things that you can see there just happens to be a Grey Alien head/face right there in front of your eyes.

Are you saying that Grey aliens have a massive effigy of one of their kind orbiting the planet?



Anyone know when this Interstellar movie is available?



[edit on 3/7/07 by Implosion]

Originally posted by Implosion
Well, It's a shame this thread has come to a halt.

Needs more input. If indeed those are ISS which they sure look like... and the others are similar but different, I would lean more to another station or stations before calling them alien. I have long suspected other stations out there and if the ISS can be spotted it only follows that the other ones can be as well.

I recently read a pentagon debriefing that was from 1996 that stated that Starwars was not dead, and that hacker is sitting in Jail for a long time claiming to have seen proof of these "other" stations. Its easy to dismiss one hacker... but now there are possible images caught on film...

The only way to get to any conclusion is to piece the scraps of related data into a jigsaw puzzle and look at the whole picture, even if you need to fill in some blanks

One of them is now missing, broken link. Was it always that way? My memory is shocking, but I don't recall

When I downloaded them there was one bad link. I don't know before that

I'd also still love to know some more about this shot:

So would I. Unfortunately the fact that there is little more info on it does hurt credibility. Is that one supposedly taken by scope? or is it a NASA clipping?

I believe that all the pictures in that gallery are taken by Mr Lenard:

moon object
Submitted by: lenard
any idea what this clear ball object that zooms in and out the caves on the moon, sorry for quality if any person wants better high res email [email protected]

Scope: Meade
Taken with: meade
Mount: meade
Camera: samsung
Software: imove

Source.

Originally posted by Implosion
I believe that all the pictures in that gallery are taken by Mr Lenard:

A couple things bug me...

On what does he base the statement that the "ball" ZOOMS in an out?

And the fact that 'Nasa has the film" so no one else could now corroborate his claim