Preemption Needed to Stop Iran, Former War Pilot Says

Preemption Needed to Stop Iran, Former War Pilot Says

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Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - If the United States and the Western world do not stop Iran's nuclear program soon, Israel will have to launch a preemptive strike, just as it did against Egypt, Jordan and Syria at the beginning of the 1967 Six Day War, an Israeli Air Force official told Cybercast News Service

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Looks like time is running out for Iran, Isreal has done it before and may do it again. Striking ones foes seems to be the norm nowadays. The best form of defence is attack?

What ever next, I guess we find out soon

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it wouldnt suppries me if Israel attackes Iran. Israel is one country you dont f**k with because they will f**k you up. They really dont care about international back lash, becasue they need to take care it their problems before they to big, because they are sourrended be enimes.

I do think I understand what they are going through, It just plays with my mind, Gods chosen people? I just hope one day war will be banned. I am worried that they can take matters into there own hands and seem to ignore other nations feeling. All the same though the nation of Isreal must have a right to to survive I think. Tiny state vs massive states fighting for the right to live. Should they be above the law? I just dont "want" to know

Israel is in quite a difficult position. The Israeli government truly believes that Iran will use a nuclear weapon in Israel if Iran obtained one.

Now it's all speculation on if you think they will or won't, no one can predict the future after all. Maybe Israel knows something we don't, which I would garentee they do, but is this another Iraq situation? If Israel just bombs Iran's nuclear facilities/plants, I would be fine with that, but nothing more. Although, Iran would probably retaliate against Israel, but they wouldn't do much. Syria would be dragged into it. It would be another Six Day War, it wouldn't last to terribly long because Israel would dominate any force Iran/Syria threw at them.

-Reform America

Originally posted by boyester
it wouldnt suppries me if Israel attackes Iran. Israel is one country you dont f**k with because they will f**k you up.

That much I do agree with but I also think there is more to it then that. Back in the early 80s or so when Iraq was working on nuclear plants for the purpose of weapons grade material Israel bombed them. The importance of that action did not come home to roost until the first gulf war. That action pushed Iraq's Nuke. program quite a bit back. At the time of the first gulf war some people estimated that Iraq was just months away from being able to build a Nuke.
So with everything that the leader of Iran has been saying about Israel, would it seem that Iran will use a Nuke. against Israel, yes I think they would.
So that comes back to will Israel make a strike against Iran to destroy there Nuke production? They have done it before. So should it happen it will be interesting to see how the logistics play out and how the countries of the region respond.

I still cannot believe in this day and age people act as though Israel is not only above the law but has some sort of mastery over knowing all for some reason. They never produce proof of anything being done or said and never have. You all just take what they say at face value as though they have some sort of secret mystical powers regardless of what the outcome can be. Absolutely amazing. The majority of people will still say they are a peace loving nation thats just out to protect themselves even though every agression has been pre-emptive with the exception of last summer. People are still under the impression that Middle Eastern countries are still in 1967 as far as defensive and offensive weapons go and they are not. People are going to die and its going to be a lot of them and not just from the Arab side this time. This wont be Syria lobbing crappy Katayushas from the Golan Heights...they have missiles now that will easily kill thousands at a clip.

Israel is playing a dangerous game and I think many are going to be shocked with the outcome this time around. They need to sober up from the drunken victory party they had ever since the 6 day war and realize the times are much different. For a place that is supposed to be the safest place on earth for a Jewish person to be, it seems as though the Israeli government goes through great pains to make it the least safest. Haven't the daily deaths of innocent Palestinian civilians been enough that they need more bloodshed?

Actually ThePieman under International Law Isreal is still allowed to use millitary action in self defence.

When Iran is enriching uranium to bomb grade... has enough natural gas to power it's energy needs well through next century .... has no visible need for nuclear power ..... has declined offers of nuclear technology which can't be used to breed Plutonium .... is developing ICBMs and has vowed to destroy Isreal then I think they have every legal justification for pre-emptive strike.
I wish them luck.

It only requires two targets be eliminated. The uranium centrifuges at Netanz and the research reactor at Bushehr.

North Korea converted an identical reactor into a Plutonium breeder reactor.

I say the sooner the better. Of course it will create a global conflict. Sometimes you have to fight to protect your freedoms.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but I do support pre-emptive strike.

Untill some form of actual proof is given that Iran is creating Nuclear weapons for the purpose of destroying the Israeli regime... I genuinely hope that if Israel decide to make a preemptive strike on Iran, whether it be their Nuclear facilities -- or anything else, I hope Israel get their asses handed to them. And considering the relationship Russia have with Iran right now, I don't think it'd take much for my hope to become reality.

Amazing how many people will blindly support Israel no matter how little proof they provide. Oh and no, propaganda from your mainstream media (cnn, fox, bbc etc) is certainly not proof.

Interesting thing is to compare this situation with that in 1981 when Osiraq was bombed

www.fas.org...

Ironic thing is that Israel first urged Iran to bomb the reactor! the Iranians didnt really succeeded with their phantoms, the f15/16's did..

They bombed when Iraq was about 5 to 10 years away of completing the device and before the reactor got "hot"[keeping collateral damage at a minimum].. i dont really know of how far Iran is right now, but it looks like time is running out, for both parties..
I say, bomb it, and NATO should back them, just as Iran is backing Taliban fighting NATO forces in Afghanistan as i just red here at ATS..

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Foppezao]

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Actually ThePieman under International Law Isreal is still allowed to use millitary action in self defence.

When Iran is enriching uranium to bomb grade... has enough natural gas to power it's energy needs well through next century .... has no visible need for nuclear power ..... has declined offers of nuclear technology which can't be used to breed Plutonium .... is developing ICBMs and has vowed to destroy Isreal then I think they have every legal justification for pre-emptive strike.
I wish them luck.

It only requires two targets be eliminated. The uranium centrifuges at Netanz and the research reactor at Bushehr.

North Korea converted an identical reactor into a Plutonium breeder reactor.

I say the sooner the better. Of course it will create a global conflict. Sometimes you have to fight to protect your freedoms.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but I do support pre-emptive strike.

Well then going by what you say..Iran should have a legal right to strike Israel. Why hasn't Iran or any other Middle Eastern nation taken that option? Israel has a fast breeder reactor set up in Dimona for years now. They aren't just churning out Duracell batteries. Since when should anyone say what a country should or shouldn't do with its resources such as oil or natural gas for generating power. Thats a decision to be made by that government and not by the government of Israel. They may have resources of Oil and Gas but that should not mean that they should have to use it on power generation when it is a finite resource. Uranium is also another natural resource and it would be foolish if its not to be used to their advantage rather then have to pay for fuel from Australia, Russia, China or the USA.

I dont wish anyone ill but since everyone else is having their say on how much they hope Israel succeeds in this mission of warmongering from this"Peaceful" little nation, I hope they fail miserably and it backfires in their face just like it did in Lebanon last summer. They are not the governing body in the Middle East and thats something they should get used to. If they are entitled to Nuclear power, Nuclear weapons, then by all means they aren't anymore special or any more saner then any of their neighbors to be entitled to special treatment and Im not willing to give up any more of my freedoms so Israel can continue to murder people throughout the middle east and then we have to pay for it when these people decide to strike back at Israels supply depot.

As much as i would like to think that Iranian nuclear program is for peaceful uses only, the single fact that Iran is seeking for an ICBM Capability gives us proof that they are indeed seeking WMDs. Rudimentary ICBMs that Iran has, are of little value without Nuclear, Chemical or Biological warheads and since ICBM is hardly an defensive weapon, i assume they want to be able to strike somewhere with WMDs (note: Be able to strike does not equal to Will strike)

This alone would give justification to strike and destroy Iranian nuclear and ICBM assets.

on the other hand Israel has limited its nuclear delivery options to short ranged self defence: You destroy us, we destroy you situations.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Actually ThePieman under International Law Isreal is still allowed to use millitary action in self defence.

When Iran is enriching uranium to bomb grade... has enough natural gas to power it's energy needs well through next century .... has no visible need for nuclear power ..... has declined offers of nuclear technology which can't be used to breed Plutonium .... is developing ICBMs and has vowed to destroy Isreal then I think they have every legal justification for pre-emptive strike.
I wish them luck.

It only requires two targets be eliminated. The uranium centrifuges at Netanz and the research reactor at Bushehr.

North Korea converted an identical reactor into a Plutonium breeder reactor.

I say the sooner the better. Of course it will create a global conflict. Sometimes you have to fight to protect your freedoms.

I never supported the invasion of Iraq, but I do support pre-emptive strike.

Well then going by what you say..Iran should have a legal right to strike Israel. Why hasn't Iran or any other Middle Eastern nation taken that option? Israel has a fast breeder reactor set up in Dimona for years now. They aren't just churning out Duracell batteries. Since when should anyone say what a country should or shouldn't do with its resources such as oil or natural gas for generating power. Thats a decision to be made by that government and not by the government of Israel. They may have resources of Oil and Gas but that should not mean that they should have to use it on power generation when it is a finite resource. Uranium is also another natural resource and it would be foolish if its not to be used to their advantage rather then have to pay for fuel from Australia, Russia, China or the USA.

I dont wish anyone ill but since everyone else is having their say on how much they hope Israel succeeds in this mission of warmongering from this"Peaceful" little nation, I hope they fail miserably and it backfires in their face just like it did in Lebanon last summer. They are not the governing body in the Middle East and thats something they should get used to. If they are entitled to Nuclear power, Nuclear weapons, then by all means they aren't anymore special or any more saner then any of their neighbors to be entitled to special treatment and Im not willing to give up any more of my freedoms so Israel can continue to murder people throughout the middle east and then we have to pay for it when these people decide to strike back at Israels supply depot.

There has been comparisons made between Ahmadinejad and Hitler.
The difference is Ahmadinejad is a lot less subtle in choosing his words about the destruction of the jews, we should have prevented Hitler at the time but didnt see it coming. Now its obvious what Ahmadinejad's plans are. Even though we didnt see how Hitler's plans unfolded, now we couldnt imagine how the world would be like if NaziGermany had a nuke and used it on eastern europe and russia..
Apart from that Iran is the worlds biggest (nation)supporter of islamic terrorism, involved in Lebanon, involved in Iraq, now it seems even in Afghanistan, involved in all kinds of proxy wars. If they grow stronger they'll surely will spread their hatred religion and submit men by the sword.
For you its maybe not that much of a threat, here in europe maybe bigger since their missiles can now reach maybe parts of greece]..For Israel this is their biggest threat in their time of existence.An act of legitimate self-defense would be justifiable under international law and under Article 51 of the charter of the United Nations. I dont say we should bomb all of Iran, i even think we should keep the dialogue just as russians and americans kept the dialogue during the cold war.But Israel knows its either them or they and have to get rid of the facilities, for now just that

[edit on 7-6-2007 by Foppezao]

There has been compasrisons made between Bush and Hitler and the department of homeland security (look at germany circa 1935)

and you have taken the lie shown and circulated by fox et all and swallowed it whole.

read my sig for the truth of what was said.


Israel have illegal nuclear weapons - what do you want to do about that?

I could care less what some say about Israeli being such a sane and responsible country. The Israelis or we (The USA) will be the only ones to be the first to drop Nuclear weapons in the Middle East, and you can bet your bottom dollar after that, the flood gates will be open to the very first terrorist group that will be the first to land one on home plate in our own turf. Then will you cry that they are celebrating in the streets when it happens ?


Im not going to allow myself to be swayed once again by the propaganda of the 2 religious right wings...one thats looking to preserve the Jewish people until a later date in time when their Messiah comes to take them away and they allow them to be sacrificed in a final battle and one thats looking to preserve the Jewish people by expanding their lands, and increasing their resources at the cost of arab lives by using deceit, subtrefuge and propaganda. I've already seen the damage they have caused in Palestine,Lebanon, and Iraq thank you very much.


The Middle East should be a nuclear free zone with not one country having access to nuclear weapons or it should be that ANY country can have nuclear weapons in order to protect their populations. No one country should be able to tip the scales in their favor while any questionable activities are taking place that jeopardizes innocent human life. There is no Jewish life in the Middle East worth more or deserving of more or less protection than a Druze, Christian, Zoastarian, Bahi or Muslim and vice versa.

Its a safe bet that if the west doesnt attack the iranian nucleur sites israel will.Even though this wont be easy as iran(having learned a lesson from the iraq raid)has a very credible series of anti-aircraft batteries surrounding these sites.

I have to ask this "What would we do if Iran has nukes" Do we think they would use them as a weapon of blackmail?

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
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They are not the governing body in the Middle East and thats something they should get used to. If they are entitled to Nuclear power, Nuclear weapons, then by all means they aren't anymore special or any more saner then any of their neighbors to be entitled to special treatment and Im not willing to give up any more of my freedoms so Israel can continue to murder people throughout the middle east and then we have to pay for it when these people decide to strike back at Israels supply depot.

Except for the fact that Iran has called for the destruction of Israel almost every week for years now.

I still can't believe there are people who want to back a radical Islamic country after all the threats, suicide bombing campaigns and attacks such radical countries have made...

Hay it scares me stupid, I get worried by the thought of a nation that may or may not be "happy" to have its own people destroyed in the name of there god.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
I could care less what some say about Israeli being such a sane and responsible country. The Israelis or we (The USA) will be the only ones to be the first to drop Nuclear weapons in the Middle East, and you can bet your bottom dollar after that, the flood gates will be open to the very first terrorist group that will be the first to land one on home plate in our own turf. Then will you cry that they are celebrating in the streets when it happens ?
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This is a perfect example of the ignorance on the events that have been happening in the Middle East since the 7th century AD.

Islamic extremism has existed for over a millenium before the U.S., Palestine, or Israel existed as nations... and actually Palestine is no nation, because they didn't accept to become a nation if Israel was also seen as a nation.

Do yourself a favour and read on the history of the wars and battles which have been waged as "jihads" since the 7th century and are still ongoing today...

Radical Islamic countries are not "sane", they never were and they never will be....

Here is an example of what "influencial ruling clerics in Iran say about having nukes"...

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world", Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional Friday prayers in Tehran.

www.iran-press-service.com...

i can probably find easily a dozen or more recent statements, as in the past 2 years, from the Iranian ruling clerics and influential figures whoa re calling for destroying Israel... But some people claim this is not true even when it can be shown that such threats come from the horse's mouth itself...

[edit on 7-6-2007 by Muaddib]