Cat 5 Hurricane in Persian Gulf!!! Weather Wars or Wrath of God???

Originally posted by Realtruth

Originally posted by hoochymama

I have read many posts over the years on this site about HAARP and Weather Manipulation and have seen many newer videos recently about Tesla and his relation to the HAARP project. I always had my questions about whether this is actually possible but considering Bush is not willing to go to War soon with Iran this may be the best situation he could ask for or ORDER to happen.

Looking forward to hear other members thoughts.

Hmmmm. This is an interesting theory. HAARP is real and it does work, but how well? That information is only privy to a select few.

didn't the old USSR use/build on a lot of tesla's work? I note the current tension between putin, europe and the U.S. over the missile shield, maybe putin has weather weapons at his disposal, and chose now to make a point?

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if anyone has Tesla's next generation technology its USA, since afterall they killed him and took his notebooks.

Originally posted by DYepes
My vote goes for number 4. Has anyone actually studied the history of storms in the Indian ocean?

Business as usual? I checked and that looks like the first cat 5 in the last forty years so maybe it's worth more than a '4' on that scale?

weather.unisys.com...

Just so you can make sure if one of those cat 4's got as close to the Persian gulf or were very nearly a cat 5...

Where is the data on 50 years of Hurricans of the Eastern world? Sounds like it would be an excellent guide to sell in bookstores. Lotsa people, myself included enjoy reading about the planets natural activities.

You would sell it to all of fifty people if you spend a few million in advertising.

It is called nature my friend, and it has been happening this way as long as the planet has had climate.

And that's speculation on your and our part...

I live in Florida for 18 years of my 21 year life. It does not appear to anyone here as anything else but typical Florida climate.

You took a poll?

Now as far as the rest of the sensationalism goes, has anyone stopped to think what 3000 ft average mountain terrain along the coast actually does to any storm like that? I would say it is like shattering an egg.

That's probably the effect it will have if the storm is as entirely natural as you consider it. I think hurricanes are worth talking over especially when such strange things are being said and done in the field.

"Pick up any text book on hurricanes and it will tell you that the one place where hurricanes do not occur is the South Atlantic Ocean. The atmosphere does not provide enough spin near the surface to get them started and winds higher in the atmosphere tend to shear off any that do make a start. Hence, it was with some amazement that meteorologists watched the first ever recorded hurricane develop off the coast of Brazil in the last week of March."

Catarina hits Brazil

The director of the Russian geophysical observatory of the Russian Meteorological Service, A.Voyeikov, says that the process of making a weather forecast for Russia, the USA, Europe and Canada is much more complicated in comparison with other states. "Atmospheric processes are not stable on these territories, and cyclones may occur absolutely incidentally," Voyeikov said."

Modern technologies unable to predict weather changes

Absolutely incidentally? Hurricanes? Fascinating to say the least.

"CNN) -- Hurricanes aren't behaving like many of us are used to them behaving. They're bigger and meaner, and more numerous than many people have seen.
Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne tore up parts of Florida last year. After tweaking Florida, Katrina and Rita are wreaking havoc this year along the Gulf Coast from Alabama to Texas.
But don't rush to blame it on global warming, experts warn.
Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami, told a Senate subcommittee on Tuesday that we're in a period of heightened hurricane activity that could last another decade or two."
CNN-It's a 'new era' of hurricanes.

So Hurricanes are not acting like they used to but we should not blame it on global warming...

Although hurricane forecasting is an inexact science, an investigative series by The Miami Herald suggests it could be considerably more accurate if the National Hurricane Center's equipment functioned better and its research efforts were bolstered.
The newspaper's study of 45 hurricanes that have struck land since 1992 indicated significant failures of buoys, weather balloons, radar, sensors and aircraft that hindered the tracking of nearly half of the storms. Forecasters are, in the words of one science officer, "forecasting blind'' because of inadequate funding and -- to a lesser extent -- misallocation of resources.
Budget constraints that grounded the center's uniquely equipped Gulfstream jet, coupled with critical data lost because of computer crashes, may have caused forecasters to fail to predict damage from Hurricane Katrina in South Florida and delayed evacuation warnings to New Orleans. Missing weather balloon readings, malfunctioning observation stations and a failure to fly planes equipped to measure wind speeds may have contributed to an inability to anticipate the power of Hurricane Charley when it shifted course and slammed into Punta Gorda, Fla., killing 35 people.
Hurricane researcher Mike Black told Herald reporter Debbie Cenziper that putting proper equipment in place could improve hurricane tracking by 20 percent and intensity forecasts by 50 percent. That could save lives and many times the needed outlay in economic losses, especially in an era of increased hurricane activity.
Congress needs to set aside more money for hurricane forecasting, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration needs to do a better of allocating resources.

Indystar-Forecasting trouble

You would think that if they are behaving that strangely this 'problem' , presumably at least, should get a good deal of funding and alotment of good minds?

Once we look past the initial sensationalized facts. we can understand how the real facts make this a non-event.

Thanks for advising us on what not to think about.....

It will definetly help for the continents, particularly India's crops irrigation.

Since i don't know what crops they plant in which seasons, or know when rain is best or not good at all, i wont call this a 'blessing' just yet.

Chop that storm up real nice and send rain flying in all directions of the regions agricultural lands.

Or do massive damage to people and property...

Stellar

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Wonder how well carrier groups stand up to these sort of storms (sorry if its already been discussed - didn't have time to read the whole thread)



There are 4 groups in that area according to what I could find.

Of course they are mobile so can adjust their position accordingly. But would the US put all that expensive kit in harms way?

I would say this one is business as usual with a hint of Gods wrath.

But in order to keep my seat on the fence warm i'll also not rule out mad scientists fiddleing

Only two of those are actually carriers. Boxer and Bataan are assault ships that carry helicopters, Harriers, and LCACs. As for surviving a hurricane, they'll secure whatever aircraft they can't get below decks with chains, and just ride it out. They can withstand a hurricane pretty easily as long as they secure the ship. They'll have some minor damage afterwards, but shouldn't see any major problems.

Here are the Boxer and Bataan:

USS Boxer:



USS Bataan:



That entire back deck lowers, and they launch amphibious craft and hover craft out from below decks. The only planes they can carry are the V-22, AV-8B, and once they're in service, the F-35.

But back to the question. If they can then the carriers avoid storms, but if they can't, then they can survive them if they have to. In WWII they used to stay inside hurricanes on the way to targets, so that the enemy couldn't find them, and they would be hidden until it was too late.

EDIT: As i do not want to sound any more alarmist than needs be i believe Zaphod is accurate in as far as the likely effects this storm, if it behaves as huricanes should, will have on the carriers and support ships. The damage might be costly but at worse it's very unlikely to impede flight operations for long or at all.

Originally posted by Souljah
Only GOD knows what and who "Attracted" this kind of strom into the Gulf.

Wrath of God?

Well maybe - but wratch against WHO?

I wont speculate about "gods" involvement ( which one btw?) but i suspect 'the others' might be involved here. .

"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

So is it really 'others' and who are these 'others' who happen to be able to alter the climate and such things?

More importantly perhaps, as Souljah points out, what do they have against the US navy?

Stellar

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W/B a Cat 7

FOX is reporting that this storm has sustained winds over 200 MPH. This means that if the hurricane scale continued past the 155+ being a cat 5 ... this storm would be a 7 on that scale.

Originally posted by hoochymama
Is this for real???? I don't know if I ever heard of a Cyclone in there before although the site your linked to mentioned two in recent years.

This looks like a very similar situation to Katrina as far as the size and rapid development. Although when Katrina hit it was attributed to the Warm Gulf. Is this Gulf as warm???

I have read many posts over the years on this site about HAARP and Weather Manipulation and have seen many newer videos recently about Tesla and his relation to the HAARP project. I always had my questions about whether this is actually possible but considering Bush is not willing to go to War soon with Iran this may be the best situation he could ask for or ORDER to happen.

Looking forward to hear other members thoughts.

Its a very warm body of water. It feels like you are in a hot tub. Then you step out into the 120 F heat and dry off really quick!

Wow A CAT 7 ?!?!

So is this the worst storm ever in history???

For all of you worried or hoping the allied ships will sink nothing is going to happen. All weather decks will be secured, GQ will be manned with all hatches dogged down and the ships will be like big corks. They would rather be out in the hurricane than at the pier. Hell we dropped multiple nukes on WW2 ships and couldn't sink them during post WW2. The Cyclone won't hurt them at all.

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
So is this the worst storm ever in history???

That was at 10:30 this morning. I just checked the FOX web site. They are now claiming it has weakened to 165 MPH. It is still the strongest hurricane ever recorded in that part of the world.

Originally posted by on_yur_6
For all of you worried or hoping the allied ships will sink ....

Anyone who would HOPE for that is a sick individual.




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Originally posted by FlyersFan
W/B a Cat 7

FOX is reporting that this storm has sustained winds over 200 MPH. This means that if the hurricane scale continued past the 155+ being a cat 5 ... this storm would be a 7 on that scale.

Time to buy a moped if this sucker takes out the oil.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
But back to the question. If they can then the carriers avoid storms, but if they can't, then they can survive them if they have to. In WWII they used to stay inside hurricanes on the way to targets, so that the enemy couldn't find them, and they would be hidden until it was too late.

Thanks for that Zaphod58, rather them than me on that one though. I get sea sick in the bath - if I was on one of the smaller vessels I would be very unpopular !

Did not know about that about WW2 and staying inside hurricanes en route. That would almost be symbolic or something.

Well it looks like this storm will be quite the rainmaker but not too disasterous. Of course this is an area of the world that isn't used to that many tropical systems so the damage to structures might be worse than expected out of a cat 1 storm.

Weather.com

Tropical Cyclone Gonu is weakening as it churns toward the Gulf of Oman from the Arabian Sea. As of 8 a.m. EDT, Gonu's maximum sustained winds were down to 120 mph (from 160 mph yesterday).

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This cyclone/hurricane/typhoon isn't in the Persian Gulf, it's in the Indian Ocean/North Arabian Sea.

They are pretty common. Bangladesh get's hit every year by cyclones.

Not sure what the big deal is, besides it's a biggin'

Nice thread, this is very interesting. I had no idea how rare cyclones were to that area let alone that CNN said even at 150mph it'd be the strongest one since 1945.

I'll have to keep and eye on this one.

storm is weakening rather substantially winds are down to a CATEGORY 3 speed

not five, and not 7? (i seriously doubt fox even would say that)

anyhow the seas off of a OMAN are 16-22 feet and as high as 30 feet off-shore

(per TWC tropical updates at 50 past every hour)

this storm will curve more north and brush the north east OMAN , the storm is weakening and in large part to ENTRAINING the DRY AIR from the OMAN deserts into its circulation


THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT I can See is the FLOODING in NE OMAN since this area doesn't not get rain, and is gonna get flash flooding, also IRAN has NEVER been hit by a hurricane and the current forecast has this storm hitting iran as a minimal hurricane (cat 1) tomorrow . some forecasters are worried about the amount of damage 20 foot seas will due to the oil rigs and plat forms off shore , and the seas have already been whipped into a frenzy by the winds that blew over 160 mph a day ago, these seas are already in motion(swells) toward the refinaries no matter how much the storm weakens now

and if this storm was 'created stronger" through HAARP technology it would still fall apart over the mountain if a man-made hurricane passed though (if they exist). the technology would manipulate the weather conditions to be more favorable for rapid development but could not curtail the cryptonite of such a storm (mountains)

i wonder if anyone noticed any unusual stock options leading up to this weak regarding oil futures by anyone i.e the carlyle group

Originally posted by selfless
It should be summer and hot right now where I am but instead it's cold like winter and it snowed last week...

And now the clouds forms in ways I have never seen before, they look like cartoons...

It is one hundred and eight degrees F where I am today. Feels like summer to me.

I am not worried by Gonu. When I was a child growing up on Okinawa in the sixties, we got hit by many Typhoons. Sometimes airplanes were not tied down properly and went flying around damaging things, but usually it was no big deal. Especially among the local population who lived in framed huts with walls a half inch thick, mat floors and rice paper interior partitions. I never remember walking out of the house after a Typhoon and seeing local houses blown away, or roofs missing.

At any rate, the people in the region affected by Gonu will probably bear up better under the strain than most of us Americans would. I will bet we will not see them looting and sniping each other.

I could see where this might have been hatched artificially to drive up oil prices, which are artificially high in the US anyway due to manipulation by the oil companies refinery strategy. I would love to see the oil companies in the US nationalized and the CEOS forced to take a normal salary.

Originally posted by cpdaman
some forecasters are worried about the amount of damage 20 foot seas will due to the oil rigs and plat forms off shore ,

Leave it to them greedy bastards to care about oil more then people.

Or MAYBE selfless, they're worried about the fact that the rig can snap and send oil pumping into the ocean around them destroying the ecosystem.