Cat 5 Hurricane in Persian Gulf!!! Weather Wars or Wrath of God???

Originally posted by hoochymama
I just did a quick search on "Cows+Global Warming" on Google. There are some scientists who think that Cows, Sheep, ect. "farting and burping" have had a great affect on Global Warming.

I thought the topic was a massive earth ending weather war hurricane cyclone wrath of God thingy?

Exactly how did it get to flatulent cows, sheep, Americans etc.. ?

[edit on 5-6-2007 by UM_Gazz]

Your right. I was responding to the Doomsday attitude of Global Warming.

So, is Iran going to Flood or what???

Well in regards to Iran flooding, here is what I can tell you from lookign at my copy of World Atals by DK publishing company (1997 edition).

There are four towns which are located right on the coast of the Gulf of Oman along the approximately 155 mile stretch(or about 250 KiloMeter) of Iran's Southernost coast with it. they are all under 10,000 population as of 1997, but may likely be quite larger today. I do not have that information.

One of the towns, Chabahar is located right on a significantly elevated land, at least 500m/1640ft, therefore I do not predict any kind of flood damage there, except along the docks at sea level. The other three towns appear to be about at sea level, along rivers. Now a category one hurricane will not cause extensive flooding along nominally level ground, unless it were a direct hit to that town. Two of the towns, Kangin and Jask, are virtually on the ciast of the strait of Hormuz, and I do not think will feel anything but light-moderate thunderstorms in their area, given the distance.

Now of course this hurricane could magically survive and turn west towards the Persian Gulf, where the US navy is safely tucked away, but that only happens in videogames and fantasy stories.

Long story short, the mountains began tearing apar the outer walls of the storm before it even had a chance to make landfall in Iran. As of this moment I do not even believe a hurricane will hit Iran,. but merely a light tropical storm. Given that 80% of Iran has an elevation above 3000 ft deeply in the interior of the land mass, I do not envision this storm having ANY meager noticibiltiy of signifigance to Iran. The valley to the North may enjoy some nice watering of their agriculutral land, but thats about it.

We are sitting here across the world hoping this storm will do some kind of destruction to Iran, and they are sitting back there laughing like

"jeez, are these people actually this ignorant? Wooow, no wonder their leaders just run off doing what they want to everyonre else in the world.

Really it is that very insignificant. No offense to anyone here though, the majority of our population, including many who posted here, have absolutley no idea what that part of the land even looks like, unless they decided to take on a map-maker designer drawer person career.

Ignorance - 0, New Knowledge - 1

Yes this is God

Sometimes human history takes quite a different turn because of a weather event.
The word Kamikaze i suppose might mean to some a Japanes Zero aircraft aimed at a warship but actually those words "God wind" refer to an unsuccessful Mongolian invasion of Japan by Kubal Khan which was stopped as the invasion fleet broke up in a storm (US forces encountered a similar severe weather event when going to the Phillipines in WW2)

In a truely ancient part of the bible written outside of Jewish and Israeli culture God asks Job if he has ever visited the places in heaven where hail is stored for times of war... so for example in the Russian campaign when the weather was truely terrible the Russians would attack the German forces.... or going on another tack...when the city of Jerusalem was under seige the water supply cut off in the early months of 48 there was an abnormal amount of hail and heavy rain falling over that part of Israel.

But the best story of a war related weather event concerns King Abdullah sending his troops in to fight against the Jews in the 48 conflict.
When he got up to make his address to his army unbeknown to him he was in the direct path of a localised sand storm which literally took his words away.

Sure you have to be quite superstitious to see significance in these sorts of things... but the facts of the matter are that in the first (Armegeddon) in the first battle that the Israelis had at Meggedo at the time of Deborah the critical thing that turned the battle in favour of the more pathetic ill equiped side was a massive storm breaking over the battle field which turned the high tech armour into a liability.

The followers of Jesus said "who is this man even the wind and waves obey him"

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Great thread
Good laughs

Indeed!

A few things:
Do people realize how much energy a hurricane produces?

Do you?

How much energy it takes for the storm to mainstain itself?

You first...

How much energy in takes to become a hurricane?

I'm sure you are going to tell us.

Humans can only dream of having or controlling that much energy.

Maybe you should start dreaming, or just doing some research, then?

NEWS BRIEF: "Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones"
by Chen May Yee,
Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal
Thursday, November 13, 1997, page A19.

"KULA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment. The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone."

"Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work."

WSJ-Malaysia to Battle Smog With Cyclones

Malaysia is to use Russian rain-making equipment to clear the haze which has covered parts of south-east Asia for many months.

The rain machine is designed to produce high winds, creating the conditions which cause clouds and rain. The Russians say the winds will not damage property or the environment - and the Malaysian authorities will only have to pay if the rain machine works.

Russia has a long record of attempts to control climate. The latest, in September of this year, involved Moscow's mayor, Yuri Luzhkov. He paid the equivalent of £500,000 to stop rain falling during the day of the capital's 850th anniversary celebrations.

The rain held off, but scientists say it is impossible to assess if the mayor got value for money, or was just lucky, without detailed measurements.

BBC-Malaysia calls in Russian rainmakers

Those who doubt that Katrina, or any other hurricane, could be stopped—or created—can find substantiation in a long-forgotten article by Chen May Yee in the Nov. 13, 1997, issue of The Wall Street Journal.

The article recounts an offer by the Russians to aid Malaysia to create a typhoon to dissipate a pall of smoke that hung over the country—and still does—caused by the burning of large sections of the rain forests in Indonesia and Sumatra.

To quote from the article: Datuk Law Hieng Ding, Malaysia’s minister for science, technology and the environment at the time, said his country “would use special technology to create an artificial cyclone to clean the air.”

The article went on to say that a Malaysian company, BicCure Sdn. Bhd., would sign a memorandum of understanding with a government-owned Russian company to create a cyclone that would cause torrential rains and thus cleanse the air over Malaysia of the smoke and ash.

www.americanfreepress.net...

And that was ten years ago, right?

This storm in the Gulf...meh, rare....but shocking? or omgtheworldisgoingtoend!......no.

I am not one of those who believe the world 'is going to end' but i do go to the trouble to research what i talk about.

"Thats a rare alien knocking on my door." "zap" Fascinating how some people will ignore danger till it's a bit late for it to matter.

lol
Odd?? Hardly.
Florida saw one weak tropical storm. It's hurricane season. A year without any tropical storms or hurricanes is RARE.
This is just as bad as saying that the sun shining is a sign of weather modification.....

Not nearly and the weather has in fact been behaving strangely the last few decades and i do not believe that so many laws are written to deal with a problem that does not exist and are not so widely experienced.

Weather Modification Information Act

Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

American law.

UTAH CLOUD SEEDING ACTIVITIES WATER YEAR 2005

REAFFIRMATION OF POLICY ON THE PRESERVATION OF PEACE IN SPACE

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

As far as the number of storms, it's actually the opposite. Last year, which was an El Nino year, is a good example. This year (which has a slight La Nina) has seen two named storms already.
El Nino and La Nina have nothing to do with the intensity of the storm however. 1992 was an El Nino year and only had one storm of note. But that storm was Andrew.

So conclusions are you drawing from this?

No. The number of hurricanes is determined by a bunch of different factors.
The question is whether global warming is producing stronger hurricanes. We don't have good enough date to conclude that as a fact (good data only goes back 50 years or so). But as far as landfalling hurricanes, we know that 8 of the top 10 strongest to hit the U.S. occured before 1970 (Andrew and Katrina are the only ones after) so.....

And i have some ideas why that may be the case.

He is proudest of his award from the secretary of Navy, which says, "Lt. Livingston directly participated in project flights in a combat zone, in program planning, scientific data collection and evaluation ... his unwavering devotion to duty were major factors in the outstanding success of the project and were instrumental in the development of a unique, major combat capability for the United States."

"In the 1960s, a national priority of our government was hurricane control," Livingston said. "Silver iodide is used as a nuclei that causes raindrops to form. The original hypothesis is that if you get enough rain or cool air into a hurricane you can diminish its velocity and strength. When I left the military in the 1960s, we had the ability to do that, and reduce wind velocity in hurricanes by 25 percent and damage caused by a hurricane by 63 percent."

Livingston said his research of hurricane control was confirmed by the Stanford Research Institute. The program of controlling hurricanes, though, was mysteriously dropped by the federal government because of, as he termed it, "politics and professional jealousy." Livingston said powerful Washington lobbies control areas preventing the reinstatement of the hurricane-reduction program, and when asked why it has not yet been resinstated, Livingston cites what he calls an "industry of destruction."

www.mywesttexas.com...

So if such strong hurricanes are now once again hitting the US should we assume someone else has now managed to negate that 'major' combat capability?

That's what i happen to believe but i am not sure that i am having much luck convincing Americans of that.....

Lucky for me that i am so unlikely to be directly affected by their denial of this possibility.

Stellar

Some of you people don't know how to read, and almost all of you dont know how to do research!

Here's why i am angry...

Throughout this thread there have been people saying that A storm of this magnitude HAS infact happened before in 1945.

IN FACT, There was No Cyclone in 1945 in the arabian sea!!!

1945 was the year that they starting recording cyclones in this part of the world.

So when the tv news guy says, "this is the worst strom since 1945" thats total bs!!! There was no storm in 1945, thats just when they starting measuring.

This is the Worst Storm in the Regions Recorded History, and it has NEVER happened before.

steller, thank you for your post. I was under the assumption that most people knew we had weather modification technology, but this thread has proved that theory wrong. good job spreading the word.

Its amazing to me, we had the nuke something like 70 years ago... some people think thats still the best tech that we have. haha.

70 years before the nuke the latest tech was the machine gun. we went from the machine gun to the nuke in 70 years.

Imagine where we are at now. ...Tesla/Scalar weapons will be used in the next world war.

We do have the power to make Earthquakes, Tsunamis, & Huricanes.

Wake up People.

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

So when the tv news guy says, "this is the worst strom since 1945" thats total bs!!! There was no storm in 1945, thats just when they starting measuring.

This is the Worst Storm in the Regions Recorded History, and it has NEVER happened before.

I wondered how long it would take someone to notice that

However, since records only go back to 1945 it's also quite possible that a worse storm occurred in 1944

What worries me though is the way the some people believe such storms can be created and controlled by humans, yet can offer no explanation as to how such thing can be done. And when we suggest it's nonsense we're the ones who are scoffed at! And proof? The fact that there is legislation about using cloud seeding techniques (as happened in Vietnam). Which is a bit like saying that a law on selling viagra proves that a drug that makes you live to be 200 also exists ....

Of course, it may all be being done by witchcraft - can anyone prove otherwise?

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006

We do have the power to make Earthquakes, Tsunamis, & Huricanes.

Wake up People.

Shame those who can make these things can't even be bothered to tell the scientists who are still studying them to find out how nature makes em ....

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Essan]

The Witch's power must be waning ...... or else the Iranian witches are getting the upper hand now? Gonu continues to weaken.

Dated: 6th June, 2007

Subject: Very Severe Cyclonic Storm “GONU’.
TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
RSMC – TROPICAL CYCLONES, NEW DELHI


TROPICAL STORM “GONU” ADVISORY NO. THIRTY-TWO ISSUED AT 0900 UTC OF 6TH JUNE, 2007 BASED ON 0600 UTC CHARTS OF 6TH JUNE 2007. THE VERY SEVERE CYCLONIC STORM “GONU” EMERGED INTO GULF OF OMAN AND LAY CENTRED AT 0600UTC OF 06TH JUNE, 2007 NEAR LAT. 23.50N AND LONG 59.50 E .

MAXIMUM SURFACE SUSTAINED WIND SPEED 80 KTS GUSTING 90 KTS.


FORECAST: THE SYSTEM IS LIKELY TO WEAKEN AND MOVE IN A NORTH-NORTHWESTERLY DIRECTION. 24 HOURS FORECAST INTENSITY IS T3.5 RPT T3.5. SEA CONDITION WILL BE VERY HIGH TO PHENOMENAL.

Yes I would also like to know what the secret is to making Earthquakes, hurricanes, and Tsunamis? Or is the answer just

Of course we the peons will never know, only the super elite world rulers know how to do that and thats what they do

Oman is taking the brunt of it, mostly because it is on almost flat land.

For whatever reason I will play along with the man-made hurricane t5hing, but then you must compare the facts. The noly part mof Iran exposed to the coast is an about 250 mile stretch that is covered in mountains until the very edge of the coast, and a scatter of tiny towns most on elevated land. What the hell kind of attack is that supposed to be? Even if it climbs the Strait through some fluke, which looks unlikely, the storm will lsot so much of its power. It is not even a hurriane anymore.

PS, the world did not start in 1945 in that area. It may have been subjected to horrible storms in the past thousand years, which we may be able to find if we read certain ancient scrolls or something.

Latest info and forecast path:



While rare, I'm sure, if this was by design, it seems to be failing so far.

A nasty storm, but not as bad as many thought it would be.

duplicate post, delete me!

[edit on 6-6-2007 by UM_Gazz]

What worries me though is the way the some people believe such storms can be created and controlled by humans, yet can offer no explanation as to how such thing can be done. And when we suggest it's nonsense we're the ones who are scoffed at!

most don't SUGGEST it's nonsense, they DEMAND it's nonsense (that's the problem)


what worry's me is that people have the information in front of there face but they refuse to see the writing on the wall

Weather Modification Information Act

Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques

this goes waay beyond cloud-seeding which was used in vietnam (but you know that)

Shame those who can make these things can't even be bothered to tell the scientists who are still studying them to find out how nature makes em

the sarcasm in your post was obvious. however your reasoning is far from it.


meteoroligists KNOW what causes them to strengthen and weaken and what factors cause them to develop and what stiffle's development.

maybe these scientists (that i presume you know) studying them to find out how nature developes them can ask a meteoroligist.

maybe it will become public knowledge in about 30 years, or about the amount of time they decided to tell the public about opertion northwoods

DO you need to know how top level scientific /military technology works to beleive it exists


and this does not mean this HAS to be a manipulated storm but there MAY be certain signature's which differentiate manipulated storms from natural one's. It's worth a look


[edit on 6-6-2007 by cpdaman]

this (and i am playing along as well) if man-made storm

may be designed to create havoc on the oil refineries and maybe disrupt the supply of oil for the short term (few months) and create an opportunity to make money on the stock market oil futures as well as increase the price for consumers around the globe

the winds around a cyclone in the Northern hemisphere (where the storm is) are counter-clockwise and the path has been NORTHWEST pushing a wall of high water and seas on the RIGHT SIDE OF THE PATH

the storm stayed just off-shore OMAN thus the highest water and seas were to the east (over water) and pushing toward southern iran and the gulf of oman (there are lots of oil plat forms in the waters where the seas are over 20 feet (and these areas are not used to that)

at the very least EXPORTING OF OIL from the MIDDLE EAST will be signifigantly surpressed for a bit of time, and possibly longer depending on damage to the oil platforms


p.s this storm was comparable in strength as KATRINA although the radius of hurricane force winds was about half (50 vs 100+ miles)

katrina hit the coast as a CAT 3 storm but the surge was SO BAD because of the strength and size of the storm from the previous 2 days (cat 5) pushing a wall of water and seas out from the center (the winds from a storm can dissipate in 12 hours even if it is still over water) when a cat 5 hurricane is pushing toward you the swells and seas will continue to push toward you even if the storm weakens) southern cali is known to gets 12 foot waves from storms in the southern hemisphere 8000 miles away

it is the first time in recorded history for such a fetch of high winds to be aimed at the oil rigs and platforms in the arabian sea and the gulf of oman, i just hope these platforms are elevated and very sturdy

DOES ANYONE HAVE A MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION AND DENSITY OF OIL PLATFORMS IN THE ARABIAN SEA OR GULF OF OMAN ( i have not been able to find them yet)

[edit on 6-6-2007 by cpdaman]

[edit on 6-6-2007 by cpdaman]

Its interesting how people jump to the conclusion that this was some sort of a man made phenomenon to attack Iran. I think that there could be better ways to attack someone using weather than to sick a hurricane on them. As it stands now it's a cat 1 storm. Thats not a real big whoop overall. Think a sand storm would be less obvious and probably easier to generate right?

Then there are those that claim that this is the first storm to hit this region of the world. Sorry guys, but it's true that we have only recorded from 1945 but in all likelihood there were storms just as bad or possibly worse that hit this area of the world prior to 1945 and we just didn't jot it down.

Sorry to burst some bubbles but just because it's rare doesn't mean it's man made.

very true but you must consider the opposite as well, no?

so it is very much a possibility

i guess when people can't confirm it and its a relatively unknown it gives them better piece of mind to dismiss it?

Originally posted by cpdaman

meteoroligists KNOW what causes them to strengthen and weaken and what factors cause them to develop and what stiffle's development.

Not entirely. We're still learning. Hence the difficulty in predicting how many storms will develop and what track they will take.

DO you need to know how top level scientific /military technology works to beleive it exists

I don't believe that the military have scientists working for them who are not known to the outside world and who know vastly more about such matters than any mainstream scientist - such as those involved in day to day meteorological, atmospheric and climatological science.

However, there is of course the matter of whether human activity may be partially responsible for the intensity of this storm - and somewhat ironic if it goes on to damage a few oil fields!

Latest news story regarding oil prices:

www.chron.com...

And I note that they come up with the same translation of Gonu as I did So, a bag made out of palm leaves it is!

Originally posted by StellarX
Do you?

Yes....
There are actually two methods of measuring a hurricane's energy.
Summerized here

Method 1) - Total energy released through cloud/rain formation:
An average hurricane produces 1.5 cm/day (0.6 inches/day) of rain inside a circle of radius 665 km (360 n.mi) (Gray 1981). (More rain falls in the inner portion of hurricane around the eyewall, less in the outer rainbands.) Converting this to a volume of rain gives 2.1 x 1016 cm3/day. A cubic cm of rain weighs 1 gm. Using the latent heat of condensation, this amount of rain produced gives

5.2 x 1019 Joules/day or
6.0 x 1014 Watts.

This is equivalent to 200 times the world-wide electrical generating capacity - an incredible amount of energy produced!

Method 2) - Total kinetic energy (wind energy) generated:
For a mature hurricane, the amount of kinetic energy generated is equal to that being dissipated due to friction. The dissipation rate per unit area is air density times the drag coefficient times the windspeed cubed (See Emanuel 1999 for details). One could either integrate a typical wind profile over a range of radii from the hurricane's center to the outer radius encompassing the storm, or assume an average windspeed for the inner core of the hurricane. Doing the latter and using 40 m/s (90 mph) winds on a scale of radius 60 km (40 n.mi.), one gets a wind dissipation rate (wind generation rate) of

1.3 x 1017 Joules/day or
1.5 x 1012Watts.

This is equivalent to about half the world-wide electrical generating capacity - also an amazing amount of energy being produced!

Maybe you should start dreaming, or just doing some research, then?

Perhaps you should follow up on your "research" and actually read your links....
This is from one of them (and answers one of your questions)

BBC Science's John Wilson says this is highly unlikely because there is no reliable scientific evidence that cyclone technology works.

So much energy is needed to create even a localised breeze that even ten jumbo jets at full throttle cannot shift the fog from a small airport.

Calculations suggest that to create a cyclone or storm requires as much energy as letting off several nuclear weapons every second.

And that was ten years ago, right?

10 years ago and this cyclone still hasn't been created.....I wonder why....

Not nearly and the weather has in fact been behaving strangely the last few decades

What are you basing this on?
And define "behaving strangely"

and i do not believe that so many laws are written to deal with a problem that does not exist and are not so widely experienced.

We're talking about creating hurricanes here not cloud seeding

Since there are laws against weather modification, do you have some sort of proof that the government is going against it's own laws? There's actually international laws against weather modification as well.

So conclusions are you drawing from this?

??
No conclusions at all. I answered HIS (not sure where you came from) question.

And i have some ideas why that may be the case.

*snip*
www.mywesttexas.com...

So if such strong hurricanes are now once again hitting the US should we assume someone else has now managed to negate that 'major' combat capability?

What? He was talking about cloud seeding.
And again, in the last 30 years only 2 of the top 10 storms have hit the U.S.

As far as hurricane seeding, again, you need to follow up. The program was called project Stormfury.
www.aoml.noaa.gov...
en.wikipedia.org...


whar:

I thought El Nino and La Nina were Pacific currents? How would that effect the Persion Gulf or the Gulf of Mexico?

They affect the weather worldwide....
en.wikipedia.org...


W2H:

Throughout this thread there have been people saying that A storm of this magnitude HAS infact happened before in 1945.

IN FACT, There was No Cyclone in 1945 in the arabian sea!!!

1945 was the year that they starting recording cyclones in this part of the world.

You're partly right. This is the strongest they've recorded, but there were certainly cyclones in and since 1945 (the last one of note was in 1994 I believe)
That area is a favorable area of cyclone development as far as water temps and everything goes. It's just sand is usually a hurricane killer and that area sees a ton of sand storms that blow over the gulf. Nevertheless, the area is a climatologically favored area of cyclone development.



[edit on 6-6-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by selfless
Ok.... there are BATTLE ships stationed in that area that comes from another country and so this indicates to me that the goal of a war ship being in another country is put in place for ATTACKING purposes....

No, i wouldn't feel bad if the ships were destroyed.

I would feel bad for the individual brain washed persons who are on the ships though. I don't wish death to anyone no matter how manipulated or brain washed a person is.

WOW, brainwashed huh? One of my best friends in the world is out there on the USS Bonhomme Richard LHD-6. The projection of power does not mean an attack. The Navy keeps the sea lanes open in the interests of the USA and her allies. If an attack is ordered then they are ready. Do not call the individuals who are serving brainwashed. They are volunteers who know exactly what they are doing. What a slap to the face of some the most hard working, dedicated and educated people the USA has to offer. Your quote reminds me of John Kerry's stupid remark that has kept him out of the presidential race for 08.

Back on subject, it's interesting oil is trading up because of this cyclone but prices dropped at the pumps today..... what gives??

[edit on 6-6-2007 by on_yur_6]

Originally posted by on_yur_6
Back on subject, it's interesting oil is trading up because of this cyclone but prices dropped at the pumps today..... what gives??

There are other factors that determine gas prices, not just oil....

When gas prices started to go up, the price of oil was pretty low and supplies were high. They (gas prices) went up because a few refineries had to be shut down unexpectantly (along with the ones that were purposely shut down for repairs). So supply for gas was not meeting the demand (and the summer season was approaching), oil was and is just fine though.
The refineries are starting to get back up now....
www.bradenton.com...

In the past week, gas prices nationally actually have been edging down as refineries come on line and more gas imports enter the country.