Ahmadinejad: World Will Witness the Destruction of Israel Soon

I'm sure someone's said this already, and I'm sure a forum with a name like this, and the age it is, that people know that 50,000 jews live in Iran, outside of Israel that's the highest amount of jews living in a country in the middle east.

So, the question arises: if Ahmadinejad is Hitler, and he's itching to destroy Israel, then why has he not touched the 50,000 jews in IRAN ITSELF? Why are these jews free to travel between Iran and Israel and vice versa?

Let's not think about that though!
He's just keeping them alive to dupe us isn't he??

I think anyone that calls for a country to be invaded because of WORDS is a disgusting human being. Actions are supposed to speak louder than words, but Israel is the one land where this rule does not apply.

Originally posted by Gratex


Why are these jews free to travel between Iran and Israel and vice versa?

While I will agree with you on the rest, Im not so sure about the travel freely thing. I believe they have a few obstacles in their way like no mutual embassies and such. I would also tend to think that security on either side is going to be very tough as either side will be paranoid in regards to credentials and who may be spying for who. One of the biggest threats to these Iranian Jews I would imagine would be when Israel makes it appear as though they have people feeding them information inside of Iran...who else would the Iranian government turn to but the Iranian Jews residing there. Maybe its done purposefully...who knows. I think they put them at great risk when they say things like that. I have read though its not easy for them to go and come, but they do go to Israel that much is certain

Ahmadinejad is a ....loon.....

Amazing `translations` for politcal purposes. 10/10 for fox again.

he called for the removal of the zionists from the pages of time - somewhat different to nuking israel back to the stone age.

he can see the difference between those who are zionists with there own adgenda and those who are true followers of Judaism - why do you think there are so many Jews in Iran.

everyone has an adgenda to follow but Ahmandinejad is playing this one well.

As for the elimination of Israel, I say-good riddance.Jews are an exclusive bunch,greedy, money hoarding, and dirty.All that religion, but they never support those who are oppressed in the U.S.A.

Despite having themselves been oppressed, treated like vermin, today they look the other way when it comes to the oppression of people everywhere.

They are a proud, greedy, exclusive, and ugly bunch.Trouble makers since the beginning of history. GOOD RIDDANCDE.

See them at the market holding up the line to save a nickel or a dime.They care for no one , but themselves.Only morons who believe God will look favorably upon them for supporting the jews support the jews.

GOOD RIDDANCE .

Despite having themselves been oppressed, treated like vermin, today they look the other way when it comes to the oppression of people everywhere.

Off the top of my head, the prominent role of US Jews as early "white" supporters of the black civil rights movement in the US belies this statement.

Making these kinds of general statements belies predjudice masquerading as reason. Israel's policies, as a theoretically democratic nation, are indeed the responsibility of her people.

However most of the world's Jews do not live in Israel, and blaming them for the actions of the Israeli state is quite insane. Impugning a group and assigning to them shared character flaws is a game that's wrong whoever it's directed against. If you accept that all Jews are selfish, then you open the door to the idea that all Africans are lazy, all Europeans are racist, all Muslims are violent, all Asians are dishonest - etc, etc... the whole Pandora's Box of poor logic and intercine hatred that has haunted our species' history.

I have asked this question on several boards, I have asked several scholars..............WHO says Israel stole land??? According to history and historic maps the so-called occupied land is not really occupied. Lebanon and Jordan took land from Palastine............they are illegally occupying land that was once on the maps as Palastine. If anything, land was taken from Israel..........the West Bank, Jerusalem have always been part of Israel.

It is Palastines Muslim brothers who stole their land. Look way back in history and some of the historical maps and you will find this.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Muaddib would have us believe that Israel threatens no governments and that they are such a peaceful people that never threaten anyone.

The neocons and Israeli support for the war
We know that the Iraq invasion was pushed forcefully by the neo-conservatives in the Bush Administration. Many of the neocons are Jewish, though not all of them. But when it comes to US Mideast policy, there is virtually no disagreement among them in relying on a powerful Israel as a key component. This, in and of itself, would fly in the face of the notion that Israel and Israeli interests were completely removed from the decision to invade Iraq.

Jewish Voice For Peace: "Did Israel Lead the US into the War on Iraq?"


Israel has been very vocal in calling for a "regime" change in Iran as well as actively calling for sanctions against Iran for well over a decade. The same MO they used on Iraq. They look to weaken their perceived enemies through proxies (The UN and USA) and lies and then pounce.


A nation that uses boycott and sanctions as a tool sure complains a lot when 2 UK and 1 SA groups began their own Boycotts of Israel claiming they are anti-semetic and racist. Hypocrites.

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[edit on 6/8/07 by FredT]

Give me an example of Israel attacking another country or person where there was no perceived or real threat to them?? In other words, they are usually on the defensive end, not the offense. I do not believe them to be a people who will maliciously attack without provocation.

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen it.

Thats like saying the American indians stole land back from the white man...just because there wasnt modern day states of tribes back then doesn't mean that the territory wasn't already claimed by a group of people.

Isreal was given their state. They didnt have to steal it but it had to come from somewhere. It just happened to be that the land that they were given was already mainly settled by the Palestinians. God forbid that they are a little bitter about this...I would be.

Originally posted by Gratex
I'm sure someone's said this already, and I'm sure a forum with a name like this, and the age it is, that people know that 50,000 jews live in Iran, outside of Israel that's the highest amount of jews living in a country in the middle east.

There are Palestinians who also live in Israel...or didn't you know?...

The fact of the matter is that as long as they don't speak their minds, they are mostly left alone by the Iranian government, of course, they are dhimmi right?

Anyways, as an example there is an Arab scholar, who happens to be Jewish, Khaled Kasab Mahameed, who was at first invited by the Iranian govenrment to go to a conference on the holocaust, because he used to send a lot of books to the Iranian president and they thought he was a proponent on the claim that the holocaust didn't happen, yet when the Iranian govenrment found out who he was, they denied his visa to attend to conference.

Khaled Kasab Mahameed, an Israeli Arab who wanted to speak out against Holocaust denial at the conference, meanwhile said in Nazareth he had been denied a visa to enter Iran.

www.sudanvisiondaily.com...

BTW, do you have any idea what happens to any Jewish person who lives in Iran and visits Israel? At the least their passports get confiscated, so they are not free to travel wherever thye want as you claim.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Jillian_Bacardi

Give me an example of Israel attacking another country or person where there was no perceived or real threat to them?? In other words, they are usually on the defensive end, not the offense. I do not believe them to be a people who will maliciously attack without provocation.

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen it.

Jillian, you are an American just like I am. How is it that so many people see these things and others don't? Do you think its just anti-semetism? Is Jimmy Carter an Anti-semite? Is Bishop Desmond Tutu an anti-semite? Is the Archbishop of Canterbury an anti-semite? You need an example? Ok do you believe that last years attack killing over 1000 innocent men, women and children versus several dead IDF soldiers (People who join an army knowing its possible they may die) and 2 kidnapped soldiers was justified? Keep in mind once the kidnapping took place and they left after the firefight there was no more attacks , when Israel began bombing Lebanon claiming it was to find the soldiers and cut off the escape routes. The first few minutes found a family of 12 sitting down at the dinner table dead. The next day Hassan nasrallah told them to cease the bombing or they would continue firing back...they didn't stop and Hizbollah continued firing back. There was no need to continue. They knew they were not going to get the soldiers back and they have admitted it openly.

If its proof you want because I know this is probably a waste anyway..I can usually tell when people have their mind made up that israel is such a good guy government. Here goes

Netherlands seeks greater role in resolving Israeli-Arab conflict

Last week, former Dutch prime minister Dries Van Agt, who co-signed the petition, demanded that Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen "denounce not only attacks by Palestinians on Israelis, but also terrorist actions by the Israeli occupation army, which result in the death of so many Palestinians."

The signatories also include Hans van den Broek, who served as foreign minister for 11 years, before his appointment in 1993 as European commissioner for foreign relations. Both he and Van Agt belong to Verhagen's center-right ruling party, the CDA.

The petition appeared in several daily papers, and featured signatures of many other opinion shapers from across the political board. "The government must help break the impasse. With the Arab League," the petition read. In addition, the document included an implicit demand that Holland recognize Hamas: "The Netherlands must engage in dialogue with all the relevant parties."

Meanwhile, a Dutch Jewish organization last week arranged for parliament to hear two Palestinian teenagers who asked for the Netherlands to "intervene to stop the horrors of occupation." Jaap Hamburger, from "A Different Jewish Voice" (Een Ander Joods Geluid), told parliament that Israel acts as if it has "received a blank check, which it uses to violate human rights and international law."

Source

There you go Jillian..its in Black and White , not being said by arabs,it is also being voiced by Jewish people who are trying to bring to the attention of the world that Israel is in fact committing attrocities.

This all should be obvious to anyone of any intelligence level. Its not like its hidden. Its out there everyday for you to see.


Pie

Originally posted by Muaddib

There are Palestinians who also live in Israel...or didn't you know?...

The fact of the matter is that as long as they don't speak their minds, they are mostly left alone by the Iranian government, of course, they are dhimmi right?

Ohthere goes that terrifying word Dhimmi again..hey speaking of Rights to Speech...your fellow American, Rachel Corrie who was using her right to free speech in your friendly "DEMOCRACY" got her head stuck under a Bucket of a Caterpillar for speaking her mind, as did other fellow Americans and British citizens for aiding the Palestinians in Peace activism, not to mention the myriad of Palestinain-AMERICANS that go over there to visit sick and dying relatives that either find themselves refused access , or even taken hostage and tortured for days at a time for no reason whatsoever.

I can understand it coming from backwards countries like Iran and crappy dictatorships and communist countries but not from a country claiming to be a western democracy.

Try being a Jew and marrying a Palestinian in Israel...see if you can even live together for any amount of time in Israel, if you are an Arab try buying land in Israel...stop trying to make it out as though they are any better than any other crappy lunatic islamic country or terrorist group.



[edit on 12-6-2007 by ThePieMaN]

The Israeli government deserves what it gets.
Hell, Israel is the new South Africa - racial discrimination with a religious label. Even the Arab Jews are persecuted there.
They do their best to keep the Arab population as poor as possible - 53% of all Arabs living below the poverty line. Israel is the most intolerant, racist society in the world, but everyone has to love them because the U.S. loves them, because no-one wants to make an enemy of the U.S.

How long will it be before the Israeli government sends the Arabs off to concentration camps, they'd have public backing, I'm sure.

Israel has sown the seeds of hatred and now must reap what has grown.

I can only hope that the Zionist ideals are abolished and the nation of Israel can become a society that prides itself on equality, multiculturalism and freedom.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by thespazticator]

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Ohthere goes that terrifying word Dhimmi again..hey speaking of Rights to Speech...your fellow American, Rachel Corrie who was using her right to free speech in your friendly "DEMOCRACY" got her head stuck under a Bucket of a Caterpillar for speaking her mind, as did other fellow Americans and British citizens for aiding the Palestinians in Peace activism, not to mention the myriad of Palestinain-AMERICANS that go over there to visit sick and dying relatives that either find themselves refused access , or even taken hostage and tortured for days at a time for no reason whatsoever. .................

Ah, here is Mr. Pieman again with his exagerations and even lies...

First of all, her death was a shame but she died because she put herself in the path of a bulldozer which killed her without the driver realizing what had happened...

Another of her friends was also hit by a bulldozer, the driver stopped in time and when he got out, according to Rachel's friends, the driver seemed shocked to see that he had almost ran over one of the activists.

Sorry to tell you that even though her death was a shame, she was too young, she was the one who caused her own death, for being in front of a bulldozer which is covered almost completely because of Palestinian snipers and the drivers have many blind spots, which is one reason why there are normally IDF soldiers directing the bulldozers, but that day the IDF soldiers were all inside their armored trucks because of Palestinian snipers.

She did not die because "she was using her right to speech", but rather because she put herself infront of a moving bulldozer in which drivers have very limited visibility....

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
Try being a Jew and marrying a Palestinian in Israel...see if you can even live together for any amount of time in Israel, if you are an Arab try buying land in Israel...stop trying to make it out as though they are any better than any other crappy lunatic islamic country or terrorist group.

Tit for tat. Both sides have been fighting for over 2,700 years and both are trying to retain their own identity, which is why there are so many difficulties in marriages between Jewish and Palestinian Muslims.

Keep trying to demonize Israel and claiming the Palestinian "government", which shouldn't be called a government since they don't have a nation, and the Palestinian terrorists are just poor people who have been pushed to send their children with bombs strapped on their chest to kill israelis and it is all Israel's fault....

[edit on 12-6-2007 by Muaddib]

yeah Im such a liar...they dont arrest americans

SAFETY AND SECURITY: Israeli authorities strictly enforce security measures. American citizen visitors have been subjected to prolonged questioning and thorough searches upon entry or departure from Israel. Travelers (including American citizens) with Arabic surnames, those who ask that Israeli stamps not be entered into their passports, and unaccompanied female travelers have been delayed and subjected to close scrutiny by Israeli border authorities. American citizens have been arrested at the airport and at other border crossings on suspicion of security-related crimes and members of religious groups have been monitored, arrested, and deported for suspicion of intent to commit violent or disruptive acts in Israel. In some cases, Israeli authorities have denied American citizens access to U.S. consular officers, lawyers, and even family members during temporary detention.

Security-related delays are not unusual for travelers carrying cameras or electronic equipment, and some have had their laptop computers and other electronic equipment confiscated at Ben Gurion Airport. While most effects are returned prior to the traveler’s departure, some equipment has been retained by the authorities for lengthy periods and has been damaged, destroyed or lost. Americans who have had personal property damaged due to security procedures at Ben Gurion can contact the Commissioner of Complaints at the airport for redress.

travel.state.gov...

Just as an aside here i remember quite vividly and american tourist in bethlehem being # by IAF when he was visiting a holy site - his crime? nothing at all.

Originally posted by ThePieMaN
yeah Im such a liar...they dont arrest americans

SAFETY AND SECURITY: Israeli authorities strictly enforce security measures. American citizen visitors have been subjected to prolonged questioning and thorough searches upon entry or departure from Israel. Travelers (including American citizens) with Arabic surnames, those who ask that Israeli stamps not be entered into their passports, and unaccompanied female travelers have been delayed and subjected to close scrutiny by Israeli border authorities. American citizens have been arrested at the airport and at other border crossings on suspicion of security-related crimes and members of religious groups have been monitored, arrested, and deported for suspicion of intent to commit violent or disruptive acts in Israel. In some cases, Israeli authorities have denied American citizens access to U.S. consular officers, lawyers, and even family members during temporary detention.

Security-related delays are not unusual for travelers carrying cameras or electronic equipment, and some have had their laptop computers and other electronic equipment confiscated at Ben Gurion Airport. While most effects are returned prior to the traveler’s departure, some equipment has been retained by the authorities for lengthy periods and has been damaged, destroyed or lost. Americans who have had personal property damaged due to security procedures at Ben Gurion can contact the Commissioner of Complaints at the airport for redress.

travel.state.gov...

Considering the sheer amount of death, destruction, and international ill-will directed at Israel by her neighbors, I for one do not find these measures unreasonable.

It's their country and they are free to exercise whatever security they feel is necessary. If you don't like it, don't visit.

Originally posted by Harlequin
Just as an aside here i remember quite vividly and american tourist in bethlehem being hit by IAF when he was visiting a holy site - his crime? nothing at all.

Its a lie. And the Israelis dont kill Christian Palestinians either LOL

Some people are in denial.

One of my customers in my store is Palestinian Christian..he said while the Muslim fantatics were bad, the Israelis were far worse.

pie

Originally posted by Pyros

It's their country and they are free to exercise whatever security they feel
is necessary. If you don't like it, don't visit.

Ok so you feel its ok to take Americans who also happen to be palestinian and hold them for days and to inflict pain and torture upon them for no reason at all...just to scare them from coming back again? And I would guess you feel its ok for Americans going there for humanitarian reasons to also be shot for the sake of security (which is not security its basically they dont want people helping or sympathizing for Palestinians)

I dont think people in iran are that crazy, even if the their president is.