Existance of Ufo's/E.T.'s Have Been Proven!!!

Oh wow seriouslycurrupt, just put William Cooper in the ATS search engine... Where did you see him? In Sedona?

Ingeniouslycurrupt.... oops still not sure I got that right. Don't worry about my grammar its extremely poor and does not reflect my GPA in college...which was a long time ago in a place far far away...
My favorite way to study would be to open a good bottle of wine, spark a j.. light a bunch of candles and read the entire book on the subject like a novel in the first few weeks of the semester, then cram before any tests. It worked for short term memory but ummm what was I saying????

Seems like a lot of people don't think any proof exists for ETs or UFOs.
I've got a few questions for you skeptics.

How did the Dogon tribe of Africa acquire their knowledge of the Sirius stars?

What about Fatima? 30,000 people witnessed it.

And how about the Tunguska incident?

Here's a good link. Nommo code There is an interesting picture of the Sumerian Goddess Ishtar at the bottom. Looks like the typical "alien" depiction to me, and its 4000 years old!

Ancient astronauts anyone?

A close friend of mine attended a conference of William Cooper's and i recieved a recording from him. I doubt it's very circulated, but i did find info on him. Thank you very much. I've got one year untill good ole university, perhaps i'll take your studying tips to heart. haha

I'm pretty sure Bush isn't allowed to know about aliens and such.

Originally posted by Uplifted
I've got a few questions for you skeptics.

How did the Dogon tribe of Africa acquire their knowledge of the Sirius stars?

From Europeans. Prove it came from aliens.

What about Fatima? 30,000 people witnessed it.

The stuff about the sun bobbing around and acting crazy? You mean those tens of thousands of true believers who showed up on that SPECIFICALLY because they believed the virgin mary would show them a sign (as the day was picked in advance), then spent all day staring at the sun? The same sun that shone on the entire lit side of the planet, and only THOSE people (Catholics) saw the sun dodge about? You mean THOSE witnesses?

And how about the Tunguska incident?

A meteor. Prove it was aliens.

Looks like the typical "alien" depiction to me, and its 4000 years old!

Prove to me that the "typical alien depiction" didn't come from scifi and Whitley Strieber. I've also seen sculptures of people with birdheads for heads. Doesn't mean there are or ever were bird-people.

So there you go. You thought you had some real hot stuff to stick it to skeptics, but I don't see it. Please show me something better because I DO want to believe.

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Alot of information in this thread already. Great job everyone, I love it when people can talk about a subject like this and be civil about it.

I'm one of those who have never seen a flying saucer or aliens( except for the ones crossing the Mexican/american border.
I would have to say that I have seen alot of ufo's( unidentified flying objects ). I want to believe that aliens are here and visiting our beautiful earth but all the evidence, stories, videos etc... are not enough for me. I can't believe everything I read, hear or see in a book or on a video. I can't or I should say I won't believe any politician, I believe they're all masters at acting and lying to get what they want. Ufology is just like any religion
If you don't believe and join the ones that do,then you're a moron or an outcast. Who's to say that these unidentified objects in the skies and space are alien? Can they not be human built and operated, or unpiloted vehicles? I remember seeing old footage of humans operating flying saucers and hover crafts way back in the 50's or 60's I think. Then all of a sudden it disappeared and the public didn't see it anymore. Alot of the planes and jets we know about and see today must have been an amazing sight to see 20 to 30 years ago. Today we're seeing what everyone will know and see 20 years from now on the regular basis. I want to believe that we as humans are smart enough to figure out how to fly without jet engines. Where's all the Einsteins and Tesla's today? They're here, we just don't get to see them like we did in the old days. They're underground, hell I bet some of them don't ever get to see the light of day.
And now that we have super computers that know more than the human brain, we are evolving faster than ever. I can't believe that this all happened because of aliens from another planet. Give some credit where credit is due. I also feel in my own opinion that these computers, internet were tested and used long before we got to see and use them. We the people are the last ones to see, use, operate and fly inventions from the past. That's what TopSecret is all about.
All this ufo/alien crap is just to cover up what we humans have built and flown over the years. All the ufo files being released today are just stories to cover up what any country may have. What better way to keep a military secret than to let the public spread ufo stories and the military just sit back and do it's thing. In the mean time Nasa is building a moon base, scientist are inventing ray guns, lasers and space weapons. I wonder what else is TopSecret that we haven't seen yet.
So now after all that being said, I have to say that I still believe that life is out there and maybe, just maybe they have been here. I've seen the drawing and paintings of space travelers from the past and have to say that I'm amazed. Have they been here? Are they still here? Or have they left it up to us with our own destiny. I don't know the answer to that, but I still believe that our minds and imaginations will take us to the next level with or without alien help. Nothing is proof until it's in front of you, alive and breathing. I want to touch an alien. I want to see that saucer without a blur. I want to hear their language being spoke to me by them. I want the government to come clean on our technology. But I know the only way that will happen is when we stop the wars, stop the money for power antics. When we can live with endless free energy and spiritual awakening. Then maybe we will have the ability to travel the universes and see what we can't right now.

Europeans couldn't have given the Dogon this knowledge. Around 300BC, Herodotus, the Greek traveler and chronicler, visited the Dogon during one of their yearlong celebrations that occur every fifty years. The fifty years coincide with the 50 year orbit of Sirius B.

As for Fatima, I'm holding a copy of Jacques Vallee's UFO's in Space. Says right here, "some were pious, some were atheists". I haven't been able to find anything saying that everyone was Catholic (though most of the population was). To correct my last post, there were more than 30,000 witnesses. It was more like 70,000. Hard to believe that they were all watching the sun. They weren't all just a bunch of religious farmers or whatever. There were journalists, as well as skeptics. Wouldn't they be looking for signs of "hoaxing" or simple misunderstanding?

I'm about 50/50 on the whole meteor theory. But where are the meteor fragments? Shouldn't there be "out of place" elements?

The Ishtar picture is undeniably similar to the typical "Grays". The fact that it is 4000 years old is pretty interesting. Whose to say birdlike aliens haven't visited Earth in the past. There are numerous bird-deities around the world.

Angels ate food in the old testament, and even married human women, fathering children (hybrids?). How is this possible when angels are supposed to be spiritual beings? Some would argue, "Well angels aren't real". Even if so (religiously), the stories and general idea came from somewhere.

Solarskye, I have to agree with you in part because although I have seen at least 5 different types of craft I consider to be other worldly, I have also seen much footage of UFOs I suspect are products of our back engineering projects, they remain secret for a couple of reasons, firstly because they are not prepared to admit to the G.P. aliens exist. Secondly because of the pilots are still learning to fly certain types of craft. And lastly because of Military issues and secrecy.
Not everyone that sides with the existence of UFOs are religious or blindsided by their conviction. It does not make you anti skeptic to experience something out of the box of the known. Thanks for your post it was a good read.

Originally posted by Sophismata:

Prove to me that the "typical alien depiction" didn't come from scifi and Whitley Strieber.

Well, it certainly didn't come from Whitley Strieber, as the description predated him. And it is doubtful that it came from science fiction. There were dozens and dozens of sci-fi descriptions of aliens at the time when the modern phase of the UFO phenomenon started. Even if some of them resembled Greys, we have to ask ourselves why that one was singled out and seen over the decades by thousands upon thousands of normal people, many of whom were not sci-fi geeks.

Of course I agree with you that the standard Grey description doesn't prove that aliens are coming to earth, but it does seem to reflect a cultural constant or archetype of sorts. Explaining it -- along with other such archetypes -- requires an open mind.

As for the Fatima thing, I'm sorry but that can't be dismissed as a mass hallucination, or if it can, the concept of hallucination needs to be revised. Something happened that day in Portugal, though I wouldn't rush to the conclusion that it had anything to do with UFOs (or the Virgin Mary, for that matter).

Your explanations for the mysterious events that were proposed are as much in need of proof as the alien explanation. So it makes no sense to aggressively dismiss that explanation, especially considering the tremendous evidence for the UFO/alien phenomenon having some basis in reality.

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cambrian, in japan alien abduction claims are extremely rare even though they have quite a big ufo community. In the rare cases that claim to be abductions the events described are nothing like the "western" experience. Usually the things they describe are from japanese folklore.

why do the greys not like japanese people? they dont seem to want to abduct any of them. Is it coincidence their stories fit in more with their culture?



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Interesting point, Yeti. I don't know much about the abduction phenomenon in Japan. However, I think the point you raise supports my belief that the whole UFO phenomenon resides in the interzone between the physical and the psychic. Though I am still open to the possibility that the Greys are real physical beings, I am now leaning towards a more psychological/paranormal explanation. That's not to say that I think the entities in question do not exist; only that they are made of subtler stuff than we are.

In the end, maybe the abduction phenomenon (whatever form it may take) is revealing more about the mind -- and about the reality and importance of psychic phenomena -- than it is about extraterrestrial life.

That said, it's also possible that Greys are real and for some reason are avoiding Japan. Who knows?!

Thankyou for your interesting comments to our thread. It really does give me some questions.
For one thing I wonder if there is any place that we could see a chronology of UFOs in history through out the various cultures?
I found it curious when you mentioned that the Japanese do not have the same connection to the greys like we do.
I have always wondered if the different alien races were interested in certain strains of human dna. That tends to deepen my gut instinct about it.
As far as Fatima, I agree that is not only alien but also paranormal.
I think that people have to put some kind of comfort to experiences outside the box. In this case it is the Virgin Mother rather than some higher entity of good intent.
I would personally LOVE to know what the last remaining sister has to say about the discourse she or they recieved all those years ago. It was most likely prophecy of doom and gloom though...

I believe the government and the president should get a stadium (also all major tv networks) get some ETI together, a few UFOs and show us first hand that we are not alone.

Yes that would be gnarly and I would love to be having a cocktail while it all went down.

Weknowyouknow, I agree completely! I feel so frustrated because I happen to be one of the people that have had actual et intervention in my life and I would LOVE to finally be validated. I cannot say I have had the probing type experience, but enumerous experiences none the less. It almost seems like a personal assault on people like myself to be in the semi know and yet watch as the gov continues to cover up.

What I meant by intervention is that I have not been allowed to live my life free of Extraterrestrial experience from as far back as I can remember, I actually have become acquainted with several different types of beings that are not human. I have never attempted to make money or find fame through my connection, I do not pretend to know any more consciously than anyone else about exopolitics. I have rarely if ever been able to have them appear when called and yet about the time my skepticism enters into my mind Walla! They surprise me again. OK?

You want proof they don't exist antar? Well look around you, see any aliens? See any proof that aliens even pilot UFOs? Are you or anybody else here really clued up on what the worlds military are producing?

Remember about ten years ago(I think) when everyone was going crazy because of the many sightings of triangular space craft? Turned out it was the stealth bomber. Now, no more UFOs sightings that are triangle shaped.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the government to hide the existence(on or around this planet) of aliens from us.

What they are making themselves is what they don't want us to know about. Maybe the alien agenda is a great way for them to make whatever they want and fly them freely around our planet.

If they are here and disclosure did happen then there would be a big uproar with a lot of told you so's, then a world wide shrug as the rest of the planet gets on with life.

I can understand your point of view, however, can you really believe that we are completly alone in this vast infinity of space and time? With Science discovering more about dimensional levels coexisting here with us everyday? There are so many fascinating possibilities to consider, as I have said before I cannot help feeling and thinking the way I do it is my experience, but I wish that disclosure would happen soon so that me and millions more like myself can find validation. If I had not lived the life I have I would probably be like you though, I have to experience something before I can make a sound judgement.

So now you have had meetings with other species? A few posts back you gave us a plethora of unprovable vids, dodgy pics, testimonies of people we do not know or know their motives, and quotes from people who when said their quotes were not working for their respected companies.

After ploughing through all that, you could simply prove the whole shebang by showing us proof of your "meetings".

Originally posted by antar
Schuler, thanks for the reply. I wonder what will happen to all of the debunkers after the disclosure is finalized? If you spend a life time against the possibility it would be a humbling experience.

You know, if it happens, it would be just as cool to a debunker as it would be to everybody else. After the initial "I told you so's" by the rabid believers (even if it turns out to be nothing like they said it would be), then the focus would simply change to learning as much about them as possible.

You should also be aware, however, that if aliens are shown to exist, it doesn't automatically verify and make true every UFO sighting or encounter report ever made. There will still be plenty to debunk. In fact, the aliens themselves might jump right in on the debunking, saying of a video, "That's not one of our flying saucers. It's so obviously a hoax we have to laugh."

Of course, that will all depend on whether or not you think the aliens could be a bunch of liars.