Existance of Ufo's/E.T.'s Have Been Proven!!!

Im not sure anything has really been proven in a worthwhile sense but like many I do believe and even consider it a highly likely fact life exists out there, i would even say theres a lot of evidence for the possibility aliens have visited earth and still do, but here's the thing, i can believe it to be a fact, you can believe it to be a fact but whats that really matter when that's as far as it currently goes?

You will still always have reasonable doubt unless you have had any kind of physical experience backed up by witnesses, but again if nothing comes from it apart from that you know its true, really whats the point?, im far more interested in what would come from the world knowing, their reactions and the possible changes on earth, knowledge, technology etc, really that's what matters when you get down to it and passed the point of merely proof.

Schuyler, I understand the hard eveidence you need to have *faith*. But at the end of the day, unless it is you personally sitting with the chaps of the G8 summit, I am afraid you would ultimatley join the herds that would debunk it as a fake anyway.
I have to say that if I had traveled millions of light years to this planet, I would not waste my energy on negative people with no hope of evolving. I would wait it out and come back in a thousand years or so.
It is fine with me if you chose to see things the way you do. For every Schyuler attitude here on Ats I find 10 new friends.
And if you have some good advice on how I can sucessfully dredge up the past so as not to make the unforgiveable error of bringing to the table issues that have already been discussed hundreds of times in thousands of posts , then U2 me as I am certain everyone but me already knows how to avoid this miserable mistake.
You may be attacking me now but in time you may find we have at least a few subjects we can agree upon, I will hope so, as I am not here to make any enemies.
Now I would like to invite you to continue to post here on this thread and bring Hard Evidence against what I have proposed. Thanks Antar

Great post, I think there is more than enough logical, photographic, documented proof to support the existence, I mean look at some of NASAs space shuttle mission, it seems they are encircling the entire Earth...

But again, in my reasoning, if they were here to harm and invade us, they wouldve done it already, what they are here for we will never know until they actually come down, but I dont see any real reason to fear them, they are more advanced than us obviously, and I would assume spiritually as well.

I would also say there are many groups visiting Earth, some with a negative intent, they are the ones our government makes deals with and all, and these forces are kept in check by the more belevolent, powerful beings of Light. But thats just my view.

Lightworker13, I have to agree with you however it is as if the world turns a deaf ear to all of the Astronauts that travel into outer space and come back telling us that there are indeed craft not of our world.
NASA retouches their own photos and so will not of course allow the pilots and crew to share photos with the public.
They are the cream of the crop and I for one want to believe them. It is not my experience, but hey, I also have had many personal experiences , so for me it is truly validation.

I realize these film clips have probably been shown on the site before, but if they were I cant find them, so here are some videos of the mile long craft found on the moons surface.
The first one is very interesting and I wonder what the green dots are just prior to the film of the ship.
Before these missions were scrubbed, NASA took quite an interest in the crashed vehicle. If anyone knows where there is a thread on this video, please let me know as I am interested in what has already been said.

www.dslreports.com...

Thanks Antar

Originally posted by antar
I have to say that if I had traveled millions of light years to this planet, I would not waste my energy on negative people with no hope of evolving. I would wait it out and come back in a thousand years or so.

I am not so sure all ETs would think that way. If they were in fact much more advanced then they could say or do things, which they could back up with technology, that might influence our race to be more positive. Not saying they would or that they are not here and have not, just that it is a possibilty.

Without more knowledge of all terrestrial craft we cannot be sure that all unexplained sights are indeed ETs. It would be great if astronauts came out and clearly stated what they know. It is a shame since tax dollars pay for the space program.

Originally posted by antar
There is no more proof needed

If there are enough threads posted with sensational titles promising the proof we've all been waiting for, does that add up to proof?

No.

Hi everyone. I’ve been following threads on ATS for a while, but this is my first post.

Although I don’t share the jubilation over the allegations made by astronauts, government staff and military people, and agree with Schuyler that disclosure means official disclosure from the top, I do agree with Antar's conclusion. Something is definitely going on. If you lay out all of the evidence – anecdotal, photographic or otherwise – in front of you, a pattern unquestionably emerges.

In a perfect world where there was no scientific bias against the possibility of ET contact, the evidence that has surfaced until now would have sparked wide interest in the scientific community long ago. Almost every study on UFOs, including Project Blue Book Report 14, the French COMETA report, the little-known Canadian Project Magnet final report and even the Condon Report (though Condon’s much-maligned summary suggests otherwise), unequivocally concluded that further research was necessary. Why hasn’t this further research happened, at least in the public eye?

There is evidence to suggest that anomalous aerial phenomena were witnessed in the ancient and medieval worlds. Likewise, early modern historical documents contain reports of aerial phenomena matching the description of UFOs. Since the beginning of the twentieth century, there have been thousands of sightings and reports of contact, many of which were documented and some of which were photographed. Even the most skeptical study of UFOs noted incidents that remained unexplainable even after all of the facts were gathered.

The corroborative nature of all of these sightings is striking. People see the same objects, the same colours, the same entities, throughout the world. Pulitzer-prize winner psychiatrist John Edward Mack’s research into the abduction phenomenon concluded that something was going on. Likewise, the professionals who witnessed the O’Hare incident last November as well as pilots who have come forward about other events know what they saw.

These people aren’t quacks, and debunkers would do well to show them the respect that their credentials command, whether or not their reports constitute official disclosure.

Debunking is still useful as a tool for evaluating specific pieces of evidence. However, the UFO phenomenon itself has past the stage where it needs debunkers. What it needs now are scientists. To me, the fact the scientific community isn’t stepping up to the plate despite the mountain of data suggests that there is indeed some kind of cover-up going on.

Fortunately, things are changing. Most scientists now believe that extraterrestrial life is not only possible, but likely. When you consider the age of the universe, and couple that with its size, the possibility that civilizations elsewhere have acquired the technology required for space travel quickly goes from crazy to duh.

This isn't the Loch Ness monster. We don't have to start at the beginning every time a new piece of evidence surfaces. Something is happening. The question isn't "What if?" but "What now?"

well i clicked on the first link neil amrstrong "...these babies are huge..other craft out here"

This typifies the hardcore blinkered believer. There is no evidence anywhere of neil armstrong saying those words. None at all.

if your going to believe evrything you read on the internet im sure your convinced we are being visited by alien spaceships. I however am not.


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I think something is going on but to claim we have all the proof we need is a little premature. Armstrong's comments have been proven a fake. they were created by some ham operator(forget who but a Google search will back it). There is no other official/creditable place you can find them. Armstrong himself refuses to comment. So true or not without him backing it up we must disregard those allege statements. All the video we have has been debunked or is such poor quality it could be anything. Again I want to stress I WANT to believe, but there are too many hearsay and hoaxes out there that it makes it hard to accept.

By all means keep searching and one day we may have the proof needed but all these "smoking gun" type posts hinder more than they help.

Originally posted by antar
Schuyler, I understand the hard eveidence you need to have *faith*. But at the end of the day, unless it is you personally sitting with the chaps of the G8 summit, I am afraid you would ultimatley join the herds that would debunk it as a fake anyway.

Originally posted by cambrian77
These people aren’t quacks, and debunkers would do well to show them the respect that their credentials command, whether or not their reports constitute official disclosure.

Debunking is still useful as a tool for evaluating specific pieces of evidence. However, the UFO phenomenon itself has past the stage where it needs debunkers.

You guys, debunkers aren't a race of people. And when something is truly debunked, it's not subjective, or up for debate... that's the point. It's been proven to be false. So... if a piece of evidence is debunked as a hoax, you ought to be thrilled. Why wouldn't you want to know for sure?

The great thing about skeptics (which is who I think you're really mad at) is that they are the only people helping point you toward the real mysteries... not the fantasies and hoaxes. It's not about spoiling your message board fun, it is about clearing away the fiction.

Every skeptic I know believes in something incredible, whether it's a matter of faith, or regarding the future, or even about aliens on earth. What they will claim as "proven," however, is a much different story.

There is no evidence anywhere of neil armstrong saying those words. None at all.

True.. There is no evidence of him saying that..But there is proof that a lot of those other statements made are true..
The thing I find kind of funny is..A lot of people say they need the government to come forward with full disclosure before they will believe..But some of those same people are the ones saying they don't trust anything the government tells them..I won't mention any names.. If you read through some of these threads you will see what I mean..So yes..This makes me believe that disclosure is an individual thing..

Furthermore the World Governments, Politicians and Intelligence agencies that have been opening their private archives and moving forward is astounding and unprecedented.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

en.wikinews.org...

www.futurescience.org...

So is there anything from those files of any actual substance, or we just using the idea of files on the subject existing, as the proof itself?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

So is there anything from those files of any actual substance, or we just using the idea of files on the subject existing, as the proof itself?

Right. These files were supposed to be 'astounding and unprecedented." They are neither. Why is that claim repeated? The FBI released many files years ago. The Blue Book files were published decades ago. More files being released does not make the event 'unprecedented.' The French files have been open for a couple of months now. Any 'astounding' finds? Nope. Just more of the same. Jaques Blanc saw something that has NEVER BEEN EXPLAINED! Heavy stuff. The things pried out by the FOIA are far more impressive than these files.

Also, it looks like a lot of work to list all those links (and it is), but they are telling the same story. It's like that fellow, Kal Korff, who boasts of the many thousand of articles he's published. Actually, he published a newspaper column. He's counting every copy of the newspaper printed as one article. Nice claims if you can maintain them.

Some of those links are very interesting, some I've seen before and some I've never seen. One of them in particular that I viewed is the youtube video of the UFO's that were filmed by the media, Fox news in this case, when the shuttle was due to return. The official explanation is space junk or debris but how often have we been able to find debris that is large enough to be seen and filmed from earth , not just one piece but several pieces. Of course the Govt puts out their best spin people that can say something that they know is a lie and be able to do it with a straight face.
The kind of proof that so many desire, just hasnt happened and may never happen.. Landing on the whitehouse lawn or on a major highway.. personally I'd like to see a craft land right in center field during the world series or at the 50 yard line during the super bowl.
Most evidence is a lot more subtle than that. Proof is defined by the individual what proof is to some is BS to others.
Some people are easily convinced, some take longer to convince and then you have the people that will NEVER be convinced no matter what happens.



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Originally posted by seesinclouds
My only problem with what people think of UFO's is that they have a great ability to accept that these objects are from deep outer space, but for some reason, a reluctance to believe that they could be from right here on earth. Today on the news, a giant warthog was found, weighing over 1000 pounds, and was the size of a hippo or rhino! Right there in Georgia! Where was this thing hiding all the time that it took it to grow to that enormous size? No one saw it. Yet it existed. Right here, in one of America's most hunted lands! Just because one hasn't seen with their own eyes, or doesn't believe your account, doesn't make your account any less true. Americans think of Mexicans or people from any other country as, and have labeled them as, aliens. Trust me, these objects may not be identified by the everyday person, but they have been identified by the ones who need to know. Sees in Clouds

I think you've picked a poor example with your completely erroneous comment about the 'giant warthog'.

It was not a warthog

The largest pigs are well over 2000lbs (2552lbs to be exact)

The recent picture was most probably a hoax done by the use of 'forced perspective'.

Other than that...(grin).

Originally posted by BO XIAN
No, St Paul did not mean within his lifetime.

There was some rampant expectations of that . . . But the outline in Matthew 24 layed out what needed to happen first. Paul was aware of all that.

Now, after the 70AD dispersal . . . in our era . . .

Israel became a nation again in a day in 1948 as Biblically predicted.

AND THE PROPHETIC CLOCK began racing forward at an faster and faster clip.

And if Jesus hopped on a spaceship 2000 years ago and wen home for a few months say just below light speed, he could come back looking only a few months older...

Now wouldn't THAT freak out some natives... when the Alien ship lands at the White House and Jesus steps out...

God, Angels Demons and Satan are ALL ET's Get used to it They ARE NOT OF THIS EARTH... now try arguing out of that one!

Satan and the fallen angels are then Landed Immigrants... I wonder if Bush gave em a green card?


Nice post Antar If the astronauts eye witness account isn't enough, nothing will be

Originally posted by antar
I have to say that if I had traveled millions of light years to this planet, I would not waste my energy on negative people with no hope of evolving. I would wait it out and come back in a thousand years or so.

Not if we were there project... perhaps they are shaking their head and wondering what went wrong with this failed species and deciding if they should fix the experiment or wipe it out and start over

Originally posted by HooHaaThere is no other official/creditable place you can find them. Armstrong himself refuses to comment.

I did not see this in the list apologies if it was but its relevant here...



And there in lies the beauty of "official information" If someone like Armstrong does come forward and makes such a statement and officials squash it, then suddenly he has no comment.... hmmmmm

Everyone is always waiting for OFFICIAL confirmation... yet I see much at ATS of people saying the OFFICIALS Lie, coverup, airbrush photos, spread disinfo, make people disappear, discredit anyone trying to speak out, threaten would be talkers with treason, etc etc...

So if an OFFICIAL STORY came out why on Earth would anyone believe it?

:shk:

Also have a look at this video clip...

Look at the body language of the astronauts...

Google Video Link