Existance of Ufo's/E.T.'s Have Been Proven!!!

Oh that is a very good point Suisidevirus. I couldn't agree with you more. Just because someone has had experiences that they have come to the conclusion is other worldly does not make them tinfoil hat material or completely convinced one way or the other about the entire truth regarding exopolitics. It simply helps them to know that more is possible and to keep looking.
The way that TV has depicted the believers has done so much harm to people like myself and others. There is and always will be deception on the part of the few against the many, so to believe something based on a single experience or blindly, is risky at best. I am certain that many of the sightings could be debunked and I have looked at many of the so called photos and videos over many years and to be honest I don't give most of them, if not the majority a second thought. I just keep moving forward and will never give up looking. I love the subject and am comfortable with my approach which is always guarded and cautious. However for me it is conclusive that we are not alone in this or any of the multitudes of universes and dimensions we are an intricate part of.

My question is, Why won't the government do a full discussion on the topic whether its real or not. I mean the public deserves to hear an official statement from the government. Why do they not deny it and deny it all at the same time. If they weren't real, the government would have said so by now, so why haven't they? It's like they are pleading the 5th on the topic. They don't say yes, they don't say no. I would like to know regardless of the answer.

Yes an exopolics 101 is just what they want to get into with the public. They are so afraid of telling the horrid truth for fear of civil unrest and long range repercussions from all the law suits of the anally probed citizens

Of course UFO's exist its just so ridiculous to say they don't i don't even read a post if i feel the person doesn't believe in them.

Thinking a sighting is a hoax is one thing but if you don't believe in them at all why are you reading ufo forums and commenting. Its so crazy i mean i don't post in basket weaving forums or anime forums or football ones because those things don't interest me.

I'm not saying we have to be "yes" men/women on every theory but holy cow to say that life other than ours doesn't exist in the universe and or hasn't visited us us just nonsense.

Its like discussing the top 10 movies of all time and not believing in film.

Do i get an answer antar?

Of course UFO's exist its just so ridiculous to say they don't i

of course-ufo stands for unidentified flying object meaning peeople see things in the sky they cant identify-

that life other than ours doesn't exist in the universe and or hasn't visited us is just nonsense.

well as far as i know no pilot has ever viewed through a craft and seen the alien pilots. Alien visitation is in no way proven. I beleive there are phenomenon in the atmosphere that remain unidentified- im undecided as to what it is. Maybe a combination of things. Also i beleive there are other civs in the galaxy but they are unable to visit us.

but im always open to more evidence and some good cases like japan airlines 1986 makes me wonder if someone has visted us,

[edit on 10-7-2007 by yeti101]

Ok sneak, I'll bite, From my prospective I can tell that you are among the frustrated few that have not had a substantial experience to help you understand the very real and not so hidden agenda of extraterrestrial occupation here on earth.
I myself am among all of the Astronauts and writers, investigators and military to name a few. Disclosure is all around you and has been for decades. It is up to you to decide and not having had a personal encounter, I don't blame you for your point of view however closed minded it seems to me.
None of us claim to understand or be in "know", just because of our encounters. Yet we cannot deny there is something going on here weather or not the gov intends to go public or not. For me it has been multi-generational. For others it is working in the military and seeing for themselves first hand. And for my favorite of choice, the astronauts and their stories.
People have lived and died working towards a complete disclosure. Their lives are not in vein. It takes a lot of courage to come forward without the hard and real evidence. Everyone wants to see them to hear them, but still people will say it is fake. I can relate to the problems encountered when first we sought to prove the earth is round.
I am not and never have been out to change peoples minds or expect them to follow blindly, I do suggest if you have an interest in the subject that you remain neutral until you have read everything you can on the subject and continue to study the credibility of the brave people in high standing that have come forward.
They are people just like you and me, they have wives and husbands, children and grandchildren that they had to consider when deciding to come forward. This was not because of some whimsical idea stemmed from an airy fairy notion. They pledge an allegiance to withhold information about UFO's that can be punishable by imprisonment or worse. Why would there be laws and rules against disclosing? NO if there was nothing going on, there would be no need for enforcement of the cover up. I would love to share more proof, but that gets private and involves more than I am willing to share at the present.

HI Yeti! Good to see you again. See you make the point I am trying to get across here, You don't have to have had a personal experience to have an open mind, a questioning mind. And btw one that is not controlled one way or another from outside sources. Yeti I 'believe' we will see physical proof in the next few years, yet alot of people will not believe they are from any place but here. We can't even give our Military proper attire or vehicles, but they think we have that kind of tech.?

Beefcake, I did not mean to exclude you, of course your comment was off the top correct. I have always wondered that myself... If you don't like to discuss ufos then go to another thread. On the other hand to keep it fair and balanced its good to have the skeptics come in, after all arn't we all a little skeptical too?

Just wondering if anyone out there has had any recent sightings?
My last was a couple of years ago while camping along the shores at the base of a dam. I have seen flashes and lights since then but nothing too telling.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by antar
Schuler, thanks for the reply. I wonder what will happen to all of the debunkers after the disclosure is finalized? If you spend a life time against the possibility it would be a humbling experience.

"Schuyler" Call me bad or call me good, just spell my name right. (Paraphrase of Mayor Daley of Chicago.) I agree with you actually. I want Disclosure as much as you do. I hope it happens, and if it does, I won't be humbled. I will welcome it. I do notice that Paul said Jesus was coming again, and he meant within his lifetime. Of course, it's been 2000 years. We're still waiting.

when did he say jesus was coming again, if it means within his lifetime then he will come in mine...lol howl ong that guy got?

They are people just like you and me, they have wives and husbands, children and grandchildren that they had to consider when deciding to come forward. This was not because of some whimsical idea stemmed from an airy fairy notion. They pledge an allegiance to withhold information about UFO's that can be punishable by imprisonment or worse. Why would there be laws and rules against disclosing? NO if there was nothing going on, there would be no need for enforcement of the cover up. I would love to share more proof, but that gets private and involves more than I am willing to share at the present.

I think this is one of the best such summaries I"ve read on the topic in the last 45 years. Thanks.

I'm curious. What are your guesstimates about how the disclosure will be managed?

What do you think the "ET's" . . . well . . . what role will they take on in the world overtly?

How do you expect the NWO folks to manage it all and to what ends?

BO AXIAN, I am truly humbled by your comments.
With all of the events that have led me to this point in life, I should be very clear on the answers to your query. However in the manner in which you ask I think you know that the answers are not definitive in nature.
I will do my best to give a single point of view.

#1. As the title of this thread states, I stand by my opinion and have to say it has already begun. It will continue to move forward yet being held back for the time being. Look at technology, think of what it must feel like to people in their 80's or 90's.
We are capable of so much more, but it has to be doled out in increments so that people can adjust to the changes in a gradual way. They have to be made to accept change as if it has always been so.
The death of the last surviving WWII Vet the other day was a good sign that certain people are exiting the scene and that new and more modern applications and realities may occur.

I am interested in your take on the situation? I reverse the questions
As the new paradigm begins to unfold there will be more and more sightings in mass and this should begin in the very near future. Still do not expect mass media to bring it to the forefront, they are here to keep the minds occupied not free. So to answer your question all I can offer is awareness. Stay alert and awake to all of the changes happening because disclosure is happening.
#2. We are still not living up to our end of the evolutionary ladder so to speak, we are still such a waring planet. Waring against our own species, our own planet and its atmosphere. John Lear told me in a post that contact is happening on an individual basis. I agree, however to sort through the imaginings of thousands of contact tee's and experiencers is impossible. So to read accounts will not help much.
I can not say what the out come of the E.T's will be for us, when you think in terms of who they elected to approach in the first place. It is ridiculous to think that they did not contact some of the great minds from the past rather than the perpetrators of illusions and greed.
I would love to tell you that they will be coming here any day now to bring us great news from advanced civilizations, and share the secrets of the universe. I don't think they get involved yet.
I will suggest that many alien species are here among us undetected and quite uninterested in most if not all people. They are explorers, observers, scientists and spiritualists. Some come for a short period and some to stay. You will not recognize them and they will not attempt to get to know you. It is difficult to be in this dimension. It is difficult to be limited by our physics and our undeveloped understanding of what lies ahead. This is an exceptional time to view events and so more and more as we near the end of the shifts, there will many more visitors from other worlds and dimensions.
#3. The NWO or the old world order, has done all it can to keep its plan in motion to gleam the maximum benefit and power. They will not advocate the holding of hands with alien species, they will not even challenge our our planet to get along in a civilized manner. It is the pay off for ruling the galaxy. The NWO introduces the aliens that are being fought off even now as we speak from complete annihilation of the human race as a means of controlling them. Like selling the last tree in the rain Forrest for profit. If that reality rears its ugly head beware the end of our species, and the best you could hope for is that your soul or your essence is accepted elsewhere. You will have to be fairly evolved even for our primitive state. NWO is on the side of the conquerors and they have sold their souls long ago for the promise of complete control. It would mean a great loss for the ones that fight to keep us evolving.

The best advise I can share is to develop your own self. Cultivate your inner world. Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Krishna, you name it, they all knew, they remembered. Now it is your turn. The best way to advance as a civilization is for more and more people to become fully awake. We are all sleeping. The dream is near the end. We have hit the snooze button just one more time. All the signs point to the grand finale. It is not doom and gloom any more than a caterpillar emerging from its cocoon.

ATSGUY,, well you know as well as I do that if he did return noone would do anything but blast him, he would be so debunked! No even if he did promise to return it is probably like Buddha's promise and all the others, they know that we are not any more seperate that the tallest tree, its the bark on the trunk at the lowest point are no less apart of the whole tree than its branches or its leaves! Good and evil must be like that don't you think? Flip the coin...

Just wondering if there is anyone out there that thinks disclosure is already upon us? I feel that it is important to stay abreast of the daily accounts from a multitude of sources. Thanks

Just a thought. It is interesting how if you have seen an actual UFO, you have no doubt. Yet in time if you are being honest with your self you do begin to question the experience. Oh when you talk about it you stick with your original opinions, yet somewhere deep inside you still question. I guess that is a healthy part of the process.

Interesting how there are so many new threads started here that are very good representation of the point I am trying to make on this thead. So come guys what is your view on the matter? I guess I don't mind talking to my self but it would be nice to talk with you! Oppinions?

If disclosure is happening all the time in many different forms, what amazes me is the fact that I have seen several different types of craft over the years and yet all the ones I view over the internet and before that in magazine articles and books, do not look like the ones I have seen. Wonder why that is? Are there other people that can say the same? Have 'you' seen a Ufo and yet come up short when you look at the pictures that are posted? I just wonder if what John Lear told me is more true than I would like to admit , he said "Disclosure is happening on an individual basis." Have you seen those google video pi'c where the areas over the city are like blanked out? Kind of a hazy mist that could possibly be a craft? I don't know just wondering.

Would they want a disclosure since I'd imagine that if public were informed about such they would be majorly pissed off. I mean being kept in the dark for decades doesn't exactly raise warm fuzzy feelings in the general public

Psyops, Do you believe that we should allow them sanctity? Should they be protected from being held accountable? It may be the only way we can have the disclosure finalized. My point as stated in the first post is that I cannot understand who the public thinks would legitimize disclosure. Who is my big question would be the one to pull this off without question and as Schyuler said in an eairlier post " Thats that and now we can all go home"in other words...