Ron paul to be removed..

Ahh Leyla, yes there may be a ghost of a chance to turn this country around, but we're all going to have to sacrifice some of our cold comforts. Less dependence on oil for a start. Do you think we're capable of this? And if we actually do something like that will we still pay in some other way? Not long ago there was a electricity crisis here on the west coast(turned out to be market manipulation by Enron employies) our city asked everyone to cut back on our consumption, we were so successful in cutting back that the utility ended up raising our rates because of a shortfall in profits. It seems we're damned if we do something and damned if we don't. So how do we convince the sheeple that it's in thier best interest to make radicle changes in the way we live? And will electing some new blood really wrench control from those who are so powerful they seemingly control the majority of politicians though lobbying and campain contributions? The average Joe has so little real control that he'll just as soon live out his life, a decent life at that, without getting invloved in what could potentially lead to real problems for him and his family.

Originally posted by infinityoreilly
Ahh Leyla, yes there may be a ghost of a chance to turn this country around, but we're all going to have to sacrifice some of our cold comforts. Less dependence on oil for a start. Do you think we're capable of this? And if we actually do something like that will we still pay in some other way? Not long ago there was a electricity crisis here on the west coast(turned out to be market manipulation by Enron employies) our city asked everyone to cut back on our consumption, we were so successful in cutting back that the utility ended up raising our rates because of a shortfall in profits. It seems we're damned if we do something and damned if we don't. So how do we convince the sheeple that it's in thier best interest to make radicle changes in the way we live? And will electing some new blood really wrench control from those who are so powerful they seemingly control the majority of politicians though lobbying and campain contributions? The average Joe has so little real control that he'll just as soon live out his life, a decent life at that, without getting invloved in what could potentially lead to real problems for him and his family.

I was dead serious how I felt about this- But I continue to be bashed down. So your saying I should just give up and face oppression and death with everyone else? Then you don't know me at all. And don't lecture me about the average Joe they are Americans too. We have been asleep and now its time for the rest of us to wake up!!

Much goes on behind the scenes, especially now in this transformational year of 2007 (understand your astrology people).

The mainstream media would love for you to believe its just business as usual in Washington, and this election is just like any other election. No it isnt. We have some real candidates in this presidency, and some real fake ones.

And I have to clarify something for you people, just because a candidate takes contributions doesnt mean hes "controlled" by his contributors. If you were running for president, youd take donations too, dont worry. So anyways, Ron Paul represents a voice that has not been heard ever in politics, and you all dont even know Ron Paul and his convictions against real issues, so how can you say that every candidate is working for world domination?

If Hillary or Mccain or Giuliani get in, you will see more of this "world domination" aka centralization of more power into federal hands. If you elect someone like Obama, or Paul, or Edwards, you will see something very different. These represent new visionaries in politics, the American people are staggering at the chains, ready to break out.

You gotta understand how energy works. Right now theres a great energy of awakening and change sweeping through the planet right now. This energy manifests itself in many ways. In politics, it is manifesting with the running of Ron Paul and others who represent some moral character, which has been severely lacking in government for the last 100 years.

And, gee, how can you think so little of your species, InfiniteOreilly, to just give up on the "sheeple" because their ignorant and dont care. Its been that way all the time. Well, hello, in case you havent noticed, there is an awakening going on, and its not something small and tiny, the awakening is a symptom of something far greater, a great change that is sweeping through humanity that is gonna carry us out of the hands of the oppressors.

I dont care if you disagree with me, again you gotta understand how energy works. If you dont believe, you are putting out energy that actually SLOWS DOWN the awakening. If you do believe, you put out the energy that speeds it up. Its just that simple.

So dont give up, dont say its useless, get in their and make your voices heard. Vote in large numbers, show interest, dont be apathetic and say well no matter what we do, theyre gonna do their plans anyways. No thats not how it works.

Quite simple, not complicated at all.

The political system is just something they put in place to give the illusion that you are buying into.

Do you honestly think that the ones who put in place a system for a controlling purpose would allow someone to be a candidate into that system if he's not tied with the agenda of those who put the system in place?

Not gonna happen.

Why do you think that so many people wants to be president but there is only a few choices every elections?

Because those who are candidates are just part of the agenda put in place.

What you are witnessing is a candidate that is purposely put in place to give the illusion that the global consciousness shifting has control over how the system is gonna turn out. This is to give false hope to the ones who wakes up and wants change and limits them selves to just vote and think they are making a difference.

''When we take back our freedom, it won't be through the system that takes away our freedom in the first place''

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Originally posted by LightWorker13
You gotta understand how energy works. Right now theres a great energy of awakening and change sweeping through the planet right now. This energy manifests itself in many ways. In politics, it is manifesting with the running of Ron Paul and others who represent some moral character, which has been severely lacking in government for the last 100 years.

Yes and that is exactly why they put a candidate that fits the consciousness shifting to give the ''illusion'' that the world will change for the better.

You got to stay one step ahead of the naturally evil spirits who are trying to create a home in our reality that is not compatible with our existence.

They are getting very desperate and coming to an end but their end won't come through a political system.

Only when their spell wears off will our collective souls of natural and pure intentions in our existence will cast out the unnatural souls (who's just trying to make a home in here) into lower realms of existence. This will be the dawn of the utopia ideological reality and that's not that far away.

[edit on 20-5-2007 by selfless]

This simply is not true.

How else would you go about changing the "system" i mean get real.

Its because of you people and your lack of governmental and political scrutiny that evil has been allowed to capture the power. If you people actually showed interest in your politics, and demanded your voices be heard, things would be different.

Its just you dont care, have the silly notion that this system is just this all powerful juggernaut, and oh we cant do anything, they control everything, we have no power. Its foolish.

Not everyone in government is corrupt, not every candidate is controlled, this entire system is not as bad as people say it is. Its just if you people tried to do something about it, instead of whining about it and saying we cant fix things by working within it, sure we can, were doing that right now, cant you see.

Learn how energy works, these globalists are not all powerful controllers like they would have you think. They DONT control everything, and we CAN effect change if we just believe it and make our voices heard.

People say well its all controlled, we cant do anything about the political system, well HELLO, thats all the more reason to get involved in it, and to take action to fix the system that is supposed to be there for you under the constitution of the united states. But you have neglected your job to be the watchdogs of government and politics, you ignore it, say we cant change it. What would the founding fathers say to that?

Originally posted by LightWorker13
How else would you go about changing the "system" i mean get real.

By over trowing it completely.

I am sorry that you fell into their trap.

But it keeps happening over and over again.,..

Give false hope, people are duped into believing that they changed things and then realize later on that they didn't change anything and so they think they wake up again and then they are given another choice in which they have fallen trap to again.

This will keep happening until the system it self is over trowed.

This is where you should put your efforts in, over trowing the system completely.

This ideological system into our reality is only designed to trap souls and make them forget their true existence and where they come from.

''If you play their game, the game will continue to exist''

.........


[edit on 20-5-2007 by selfless]

Originally posted by LightWorker13
People say well its all controlled, we cant do anything about the political system, well HELLO, thats all the more reason to get involved in it, and to take action to fix the system that is supposed to be there for you under the constitution of the united states. But you have neglected your job to be the watchdogs of government and politics, you ignore it, say we cant change it. What would the founding fathers say to that?

You honestly think that if you vote for someone and if others follows your vote that you will create a change into the system?

If only it was that simple but unfortunately it is not.

If that was the way to over trow the N.W.O, we would be rid of fascist a long long long time ago.

Originally posted by LightWorker13
Its just you dont care, have the silly notion that this system is just this all powerful juggernaut, and oh we cant do anything, they control everything, we have no power. Its foolish.

This is where you are dead wrong my friend.

I care more then you think and I am fighting them in none physical ways. The over trowing of the N.W.O won't be accomplished physically.

And no, they are not even powerful, to be honest, they are a joke. There, I said it.

The N.W.O is not scary, it is a clumsy joke of badly executed plans.

We are destined to get rid of them because they are not on their home turf and it's always been this way. It's not gonna be any different in this reality.

[edit on 20-5-2007 by selfless]

Just to be clear,

I am not telling you guys not to vote for Ron Paul.

Just letting it know that who ever is elected is the intended president and a president is no different then an actor.

You guys go ahead and vote if it makes you feel better at night :0

You said it yourself, they wont last. So why not get in there, and demand our voices be heard, and our votes counted?

I dont believe in giving up. I believe that someone has gotta step in and take action. If enough of us voted for Ron Paul, which I think we will, and he still doesnt get in, I mean that would just prove that this election is a fraud. But what to do? Lay down and say? Well, there you go, that proves it, we cant effect change. Is that what you would do?

No, what we need to do is get even more intense about it, and stand even firmer in our conviction and make our voices even louder.

It really comes down to choosing to be walked on, or choosing to stand on your own two feet. Choosing to give your power away, or excercise your power. Its a choice, and the choice is ours.

I posted this in the "Ron Paul supporters have me puzzled?" thread.

Watch ALL 11 videos and than try and tell me that this man CANT change things when he becomes president!!!!!!!

HE WILL CHANGE THINGS. HE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD. HE WILL NOT TAKE MONEY FROM SPECIAL INTEREST.

I implore those who have there heads buried in the sand thinking there is NO WAY to change our country. WE ARE CHANGING OUR COUNTRY JUST BY SUPPORTING RON PAUL!!!!!

I guarantee you the American people will RISE UP and have the Constitutional right to overthrow the Gov. when our leaders are abusing there power. Whether a Revolution is by force or by voting Ron Paul in as President, ITS STILL A REVOLUTION.

DENY IGNORANCE.


[edit on 20-5-2007 by hoochymama]

[edit on 20-5-2007 by hoochymama]

LightWorker13,

You make a good point.

Might as well vote for the someone who might have the slight chance of being genuine.

I just don't think it's the case.

If he gets elected and then things unfold no different then when bush was president, then what will you think of Ron Paul?

This has happened many time in the past.

Out of the choices for president, Ron seems like the best choice but since when are presidents calling the shots? that hasn't happened since JFK and look how he ended up.

Ron Paul: First Bush Was Working Towards New World Order

Presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) was asked a question about the New World Order's agenda for a one-world government during a campaign stop in Austin, Texas on Saturday, amidst tremendous turnout and support.

Ron Paul responded, "The first President Bush said the New World Order was in tune-- and that's what they were working for. The U.N. is part of that government. They're working right now very significantly towards a North American Union. That's why there's a lot of people in Washington right now who don't care too much about our borders. They have a philosophical belief that national sovereignty is not important. It's also the reason I've made the very strong suggestion the U.S. need not be in the U.N. for national security reasons."

www.prisonplanet.com...

Pollsters Censoring Ron Paul from the States He Would Do Well In; Statistical Analysis

usaelectionpolls.com
Sunday May 20, 2007

There have been 27 republican primary polls taken this calendar year WITHOUT referencing Ron Paul. And only 5 polls with Ron Paul. Here are the results in these polls.
All State Polls from 1/1/2007 w/o Ron Paul
Giuliani 27.8
McCain 22.7
Romney 6.9
F. Thompson 9.3
Ron Paul ---

All State Polls from 1/1/2007 w/ Ron Paul
Giuliani 26.0
McCain 20.5
Romney 8.0
F. Thompson 9.0
Ron Paul 1.0

It may look like Giuliani and McCain lose support with Ron Paul in the poll but because there are only 5 out of 32 state polls with Ron Paul mentioned, the small sample size kind of screws the results.

Ron Paul Excluded From Home State. But what we find here is appauling. Ron Paul only averages 1.0% in the state polls. But that is not the true story because the states that Ron Paul would do well in like Texas never have polls citing him. It is like the media does not want to report any successful Ron Paul stories. Because if there was no worries to them, then they would poll Ron Paul from Texas where he is from. That is just our personal take from the analysis of all these polls.

Candidates With Less Money And Little Support Are Included. Ron Paul is currently 4th among Republicans in fundraising so if he is not mentioned in 27 state polls why are all the other candidates who get less money and have very little support being included in far many polls?

Other Candidates. Let's take a look at something. Of these 32 states polls, how many times are the following candidates mentioned:

* Newt Gingrich - 26 polls
* Sam Brownback - 19 polls
* Tom Tancredo - 19 polls
* Mike Huckabee - 19 polls
* Duncan Hunter - 15 polls
* Tommy Thompson - 13 polls
* Jim Gilmore - 12 polls
* Chuck Hagel - 11 polls

Fair? Newt Gingrich makes sense because of his name recognition but he has not even pledged to run yet. 19 polls seems to be a key number because 3 of the other low candidates are included that many times but that represents 4 times as many polls as Ron Paul.

I saw a clip yesterday where FOX news started talking about cellphone messages.. and that is because Ron Paul have most votes...

This is what I think is the face of a lie - She just closes her mouth after telling somthing - look at it...



3 human adults - That cannot figure out how to do text messages.. comon - My 60 year old aunt knows how to send pictures and text also..
Everybody knows - especially if your an journalist.

Speculation..?
sure it is..

My appologies Leyla for my calusness, I'm trying to explain how the average Joe(thats me,cabinet maker in an industrial west coast port city) feels right now. I've been awake now since Chistmas 2006, I've done as much research on the anomalies 911 as I can without destroying the rest of my life through neglagence. I think I'm hip to the overall vibe that is the truth movement. I'm ready to die for the cause of truth. I try to engage my coworkers and family and friends on the coinsidences and misinformation surrounding 911. Some listen. Some get a glazed look in thier eyes and it's obvious they don't even want think about it, let alone do something about it. Some are combative, for to suggest complicity by our leaders(herders) in something so ugly is treasonous. Now I've voted in the last 4 presidential elections. Perot twice, Nader once, and Kerry the last time around. Perot to me is your Ron Paul, somone apparently outside the good ole boys club. The first time if Perot had garnered 7% of the vote there would have been a 3rd party with equal gov. funding for a presidential candidate from then on. He recieved 6% of the general vote.The second time if he garnered 5% of the vote, 3rd party status would be achieved. He recieved 4% of the vote. Both heart breakers for me and my belief in the system as it stands today. 2000, why Nader? Once again he represented the best opportunity for a 3rd party being established. He recieved 4% of the vote, coinsidence? 2004, many mistakes(or is it just following the script) in foreign policies around the world. Osama not caught, Iraq war dragging on, nothing being built where WTC used to be. I wanted to stick to my usual pattern and try to help qualify a third party, but the need for change was to great so I voted the lesser of 2 evils. And I believe Bush and Kerry our both bought out politicians. Maybe the Nader vote was the most damaging though. All of us that voted for Nader essencially handed the Bush people the White House. What was the difference in Florida? Less than 600 votes! And Gore never put up a recount fight really. I found that icredible. But when Kerry didn't put up a recount fight either, it became clearer that maybe we don't control the system like we might think. I would like to be part of the change we all deserve, but then there's this thing called my life and family and hope and dreams and no ones preventing me from experiencing the trials of modern society. What would you suggest the working man do, beyond voting in the elections, to wrest the reigns of power from the those who abuse the athority given by the people?


PS sorry if this sounds preachy






[edit on 5/20/2007 by infinityoreilly]

Originally posted by selfless
By over trowing it completely.

[edit on 20-5-2007 by selfless]

Do you mean overthrowing our government completely?

Outline some stratigies for me. Like get an army together and take it back by force?

[edit on 20-5-2007 by Funkydung]

Originally posted by uberarcanist
Ram, you're a conceited son of a bitch who will criticize some other country's problems before looking at those of your own, and I don't mind telling you.

What a pathetically small minded post. We are all citizens of The World are we not? We are all individuals with thoughts and opinions, where is it written that we should not share our thoughts regarding a country other than our own?

Furthermore, who are you to say what another individual has or hasn't done? How do you know the OP hasn't examined his own country in depth, before choosing to cast an eye on the wider world?

All each of us is doing, after all, is casting an eye over that which interests us, and attempting to discuss it with a wider community. Hate filled xenophobic comments such as yours add absolutely nothing meaningful to the discourse, and just reveal your own shortcomings for every person reading this thread to see.

Originally posted by infinityoreilly

Originally posted by selfless
By over trowing it completely.

[edit on 20-5-2007 by selfless]

Do you mean overthrowing our government completely?

Outline some stratigies for me. Like get an army together and take it back by force?

This process is gonna happen naturally.

They are failing pretty bad and won't be able to control the populations for much
more longer.

I am not here to raise a physical army :0