I've figured this place out! no wonder..

Actually that's a very common mistake for non-Christians to make. Christians are taught to follow Christ and not other Christians because the latter will always let you down eventually if not sooner.

1 Corinthians 11:1 (NASB)

Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

Christians are no better than anyone else. It's their faith in Christ that is important. Hopefully their experience will help change them for the better. I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to Hell. That's a terrible fate.

Originally posted by whaaa

thehumbleone,


Thank you for reminding me why I'm not a Christian anymore.

you're welcome.

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction

This strikes me as hateful.

Exclusion is hateful and this whole thread is about exclusion because we don't agree with certain people on the subject of god.

So are you particular Christians in this thread wishing to exclude just the athiests, or everyone who doesn't believe in your particular brand of god? Muslims, Hindus, shamans, Zoroastrians, etc. need not apply also?

You're right, it is hateful, I hate it when people like you call people like me self-deceived, foolish, superstitious ignorant fools. You mock my God and do everything you possibly can to disgrace him.

Thankfully God is infinitely more forgiving and loving that I am, because I have a hard time forgiving people like you.

edit: Lord God, according to your will, I forgive all atheists and non-believers on this site who constantly mock me for my belief in you, I pray that you will give me the grace to become forgiving, so that you may forgive me for my wrongs, in Jesus name I pray, AMEN.


[edit on 14-5-2007 by thehumbleone]

Originally posted by thehumbleone
You're right, it is hateful, I hate it when people like you call people like me self-deceived, foolish, superstitious ignorant fools.

but nobody has called you such.

You mock my God and do everything you possibly can to disgrace him.

we aren't mocking it by saying it doesn't exist.
all we are doing is making a conclusion that there is no god, that's not mocking anyone.

[edit on 5/14/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

we aren't mocking it by saying it doesn't exist.
all we are doing is making a conclusion that there is no god, that's not mocking anyone.

[edit on 5/14/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Really? What about this post from your thread?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
This is just a question, why faith above all else?

is god that much of a prick? wait, strike that, yahweh is a prick.
is it because your deity is a child that sees attention as more worthy than compassion?
is it because reason is evil?
honestly, what's the issue here?

why would the abrahamic mountain god favor faith over everything else? could one save the entire world from certain destruction and go to hell for being an atheist? is god that petty?

Oh God, WHY?

You called him a PRICK, that is very insulting and hurtful to me.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
You're right, it is hateful, I hate it when people like you call people like me self-deceived, foolish, superstitious ignorant fools. You mock my God and do everything you possibly can to disgrace him.

Thankfully God is infinitely more forgiving and loving that I am, because I have a hard time forgiving people like you.

edit: Lord God, according to your will, I forgive all atheists and non-believers on this site who constantly mock me for my belief in you, I pray that you will give me the grace to become forgiving, so that you may forgive me for my wrongs, in Jesus name I pray, AMEN.
[edit on 14-5-2007 by thehumbleone]

So you hate people that don't have the same beliefs as you? If I was Christian and called you ignorant, foolish, self rightous because of your replies to what other people say, what would you do?

Choose your words carefully. Don't put words in other peoples mouths, and most of all don't stereotype all atheists for what a few do. Perhaps you are the type of person that made us the way we are.

Don't worry secret titan, i forgive you, it is in God's will for me to do so.

Originally posted by thehumbleone
You called him a PRICK, that is very insulting and hurtful to me.

well, sorry for being honest about what i think. if you want to challenge that assertion do so in that thread.

edit: i'm not mocking, i'm telling you my opinion of a literary figure. if i were to mock it would be more obvious.

[edit on 5/14/07 by madnessinmysoul]

Originally posted by MajorMalfunction

Every time I read a thread like this it makes me all the gladder that I am rational, credulous and capable of seeing through the hype of an outdated, antiquated, nonsensical, self-contradictory god.

Good luck with your hate.

Lol. I just have to laugh because im like, WHOA that reply was assuming alot of stuff, and to say i or anyone else is the hating one is crazyness. I went out of my way to do backflips to keep my post as civil and "non-insulting" as possible, yet you still grab the rope and pull on it. So every time i throw it out there, are you going to grab and pull?

Kinda like the "Hit me! I like it!" syndrome. no one ever said you arent allowed to post here, no one ever said they wanted you gone. i said i have no problem with Atheists here, just having them in the majority, meaning greater than, or more of, doesn't make much sense because, its a spirituality forum and you are anti-spirit. thats all. naturally, you should be the minority here. but you should certainly still BE here. im just saying your kin dont know how to act, IMO, and blurt dumb things into threads that they arent a part of, and make countless "God doesnt exist" posts. To the point of there being more "God doesnt exist" posts than "God is great" posts.

I think you sound kind of insecure in your beliefs, TBH. It's because you say things like "Its posts like this that make me feel better" or "make me glad I dont believe in God" or whatever. That sounds really similar to:

"It's stuff like this that makes me wish i didn't HAVE a car!", the man says as he kicks his tire, broken down on the side of the Highway.

So you are the man, and your car, your car is your spirituality, that is your vehicle. It sounds like you just want to believe, but feel like you cant?

Theres certainly no hatred here, and I'd like to see you quote it.

Off the top rope!

[edit on 5/15/2007 by runetang]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, sorry for being honest about what i think. if you want to challenge that assertion do so in that thread.

edit: i'm not mocking, i'm telling you my opinion of a literary figure. if i were to mock it would be more obvious.

[edit on 5/14/07 by madnessinmysoul]

heh! clearly pot calling the kettle black I see.

so if a member of a monotheistic religion, in this case a Christian, says something bad about the doctrine of Atheism or the concepts therein, it's hateful or exclusion.

but when Atheists say something bad about Christianity as a doctrine, the concepts therein, or the believers thereof, its just your opinion.

Right.

I think he had every write to quote that post here despite being from another thread because he caught you saying one thing and doing what you say not to do. But when you do it, it's just an opinion.

Here's all im saying at this point:

When I was what you'd call a non-theist, which was for the majority of my life, mostly teen years & late teens, into 20 and 21 at the latest, I didn't come to this forum to post about the non-existance of God, in my opinion at that time. Because it would be pointless to do so, I'm not trying to convert anyone, and no one's trying to be converted, so why stir up a bunch of crap just for the sake of stirring it? Thats what i'd think to myself. So i find the behavior strange TBH, because I didnt do it. And there are hordes of Atheists who don't do it either, and if asked, would explain that they feel no reason to, and would also probably say what I just said. That essentially it is a waste of time that one could be doing things they enjoy more instead.

So naturally it makes the non-theists look like they have some sort of.. underlying issue with the whole thing, like uncertainty, or maybe they just REALLY hate Christians and want to make their lives miserable even though they've never even met them. I'd like to think you are not intending to insult Jews and Christians by taking a swipe at YHWH for example, but thats what it is still yet, a swipe. It might be your belief, but it was still a swipe. I mean, it doesn't bother me, because I dont cling to little things people say to take away from the larger point or argument at hand. I'm just pointing this out.

So by that rationale, thehumbleone saying he wished 90% of the Atheists to be placed in the lake of fire, he was only giving his opinion on some literature. In Revelation it states those such as Atheists for example, will be cast into the lake of fire. That's pretty twisted logic don't you think? I think so, and this is the type of logic being used when you say calling YHWH a prick is just your opinion and therefore perfectly OK to say.



"And all shall bow before the Beast, do it now!" lol

PS: 9 of the last 15 threads as listed on the forum are from a direct anti-God standpoint, anti-Spiritual standpoint, or are threads explicitly made with the intent to start a debate or provide a place where people can take swipes at each other's belief..

of the 6 that aren't, at least 3 are threads asking specific questions about a specific religion, such as, for example.. Mormons. isnt this pretty obvious?

[edit on 5/15/2007 by runetang]

runetang, good post. I have been through many theistic vs. atheistic battles as well. A few months ago, I even made a post basically "Why Are There So Many Atheists on FST." A few weeks ago, I even made the humble suggestion to mangement that they create a forum called "Atheism." I think we can all explore and learn many Higher Truths if we do not have to constantly defend our belief in God.

Peace and Blessings.

I was wondering, if a religious website has a UFO and science section in it, would there be more theist in those sections or more atheists?

Wouldn't theists have the right to be in those sections even though they are mainly subjects that most atheists are interested?

A reverse of the post you made, does anyone who is a member of any religious website have information on this?

When atheists are nasty, it's because they're mad at the non god for not doing a better job. Everyone gets a little impatient sometimes....

If it was only an argument they were confident of, why would they bother insulting something that doesn't exist.

The atheist doth protest too loudly.

Originally posted by clearwater
If it was only an argument they were confident of, why would they bother insulting something that doesn't exist.

The atheist doth protest too loudly.

I think it's a bit like discussing the failings of Anakin Skywalker...

It is a figure represented in a piece of literature, therefore the representation can be discussed without really accepting the reality of said figure. Happens in literature classes all the time.

[edit on 15-5-2007 by melatonin]

Originally posted by clearwater
When atheists are nasty, it's because they're mad at the non god for not doing a better job. Everyone gets a little impatient sometimes....

If it was only an argument they were confident of, why would they bother insulting something that doesn't exist.

The atheist doth protest too loudly.

It isn't the non god they are really mad at, it is the followers of some aggressive religions.

I think most types of humans protest loudly, some acknowledge that fact, while others deny it.

[edit on 15-5-2007 by ixiy]

Originally posted by runetang
so if a member of a monotheistic religion, in this case a Christian, says something bad about the doctrine of Atheism or the concepts therein, it's hateful or exclusion.

well... there is no doctrine in atheism...

but when Atheists say something bad about Christianity as a doctrine, the concepts therein, or the believers thereof, its just your opinion.

see, the difference is that you're actually being critical of atheists, i'm being critical of the god you follow.

I think he had every write to quote that post here despite being from another thread because he caught you saying one thing and doing what you say not to do. But when you do it, it's just an opinion.

again, you're attacking atheists, i'm attacking yaweh in my quote

So by that rationale, thehumbleone saying he wished 90% of the Atheists to be placed in the lake of fire, he was only giving his opinion on some literature.

no, he was giving his opinion on PEOPLE.

In Revelation it states those such as Atheists for example, will be cast into the lake of fire. That's pretty twisted logic don't you think?

well, it's bigoted nonsense to say that an all loving god would cast people into a lake of fire.

I think so, and this is the type of logic being used when you say calling YHWH a prick is just your opinion and therefore perfectly OK to say.

the difference is that I DON'T THINK IT'S A REAL THING I'M TALKING ABOUT. i also think that odin, most of the greek gods, most of the egyptian gods, and the majority of deities are pricks.

you're attacking people, i'm attacking literary figures. i have also been known to call anakin skywalker a prick, to use mel's way-above worthy example.

but im not attacking people, in this case atheists. you're just assuming i do, or did, when comparing. if i did, just quote it from the post in question (on this forum, within the past couple of days) with the sentence before it, and the sentence after it, included in the quote. i dont think youll really find anything if you look that is decisively an attack against anyone, particularly atheists.

i simply was saying that theres so many making threads that are quite similar to one another in the general scheme of things, having a similar point. the arguments are all similar. almost repititous. and i was just saying that it used to not be quite like this here, there used to be more posts of a pro-spiritual nature than an anti-spiritual nature. and now its the other way, so i cited it for all to see, because i knew i wasnt the only one noticing it, or feeling it you could say.

and i was just saying that the concepts of atheism don't readily lend themselves to constant debate against God's existence in my opinion, because doing so with fervour naturally makes one look as if they may actually believe, or want to, and are lashing out. alternatively, it can make them look insecure with their belief. not just arguing, thats something i'd expect anyone with a stance to do, i mean excessive arguing of the same points over and over on different threads, and the excessive number of the threads that are about that, in this case, of anti-spiritual nature.

it seems to me like the forum itself is kind of under attack if anyone is attacking anything. because, the majority of threads now are anti-spirituality, and this is the spirituality forum. non-theists have a place here, but as i said before, if it was meant for non-theists in the majority, it would very likely have a different name to it, certainly not the "faith & spirituality" forum. atheists attack the concept of faith in God all the time .. so whos really doing the attacking? if anyone is attacking anything, that is..

I think part of the problem is that people on the one side see themselves as sincerely trying to figure out how the other side can believe in something, and the other side is taking it as an attack because the first side is so adamant in trying to get real answers to the questions.

But you're right, it does go in circles sometimes. though I don't think the non-theists are any more to blame than the theists.

Yin and Yang, two sides to the same coin. Belief and unbelief belong in the same forum together.

But yeah, there's a lot of circular argument going on. However, I find it pretty interesting. Maybe when I've been here longer I'll get bored of it too.

runetag, let's see what happens when i take the time to look over and respond to your first post.

Originally posted by runetang
Ever wonder why the "Faith, Spirituality & Theology" forum, made for people
to discuss those topics, is dominated by a sect of people who are anti-spirituality, anti-God by definition?

emphasis added to demonstrate your attack on PEOPLE

It's funny if you think about it. Why are Atheists running around making so many "hard arguements against God" and all these threads they create, when this is a Spirituality forum, and they by definition are anti-spirit?

again, emphasis added to show that you're targeting atheists instead of atheism.

This is like someone who does not play baseball, knowing little of baseball, coming and telling all the baseball players how they're so wrong for even playing baseball, and how it's going to affect them negatively in some form. or better yet, that the baseball players are responsible for all the world's problems.

i'm just going to point out the false comparison because i was a theist far longer than i've been an atheist and know christianity and the bible inside and out.

This is like a Democrat campaign volunteer sitting down with a small group of men from the Republican's club @ the local University and trying to change their mind about their political stance; its just not going to happen.

actually, it does happen if people are open minded enough.

so what makes you guys (atheists) honestly think that your efforts are going unwasted here?

i've seen you just adressing "us guys (atheists)" instead of ATHEISM again.

i mean, theres a whole forum dedicated to this, and they deny the existence of all of it.

yet i help out christians who have questions about their own christianity without even bringing up issues of faith.

Are Christians Supposed to Keep the 10 Commandments?

from that thread

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
well, i may not be of any faith but i know that jesus didn't say anything about disregarding the 10 commandments.

last time i checked that would be classified as a constructive addition to the thread.

just man and his logic, standing naked in the darkness.

are you honestly trying to tell me there's no veiled attack in there?

Originally posted by GreatTech
...if we do not have to constantly defend our belief in God.

If your belief in God had any truth to it, it wouldn't need constant defending. Where are the folks constantly defending gravity? Which is the greater force, God or gravity? Which one is under attack? If it were such a great force, it would be undeniable.

Wherever I see GreatTech or humbleone, a thread is in such poor shape.