Is John Lear Spreading Disinfo?

So now the John Lear followers have stepped in to help side track the mathematical and lingual unconsistencies.

Darn, I was really enjoying it when we were getting some where.

*now leaving negative reputation proclination*

Users engaged in assisting the muddling of efficacious inquiry: Undo, Zorgon.

Opinions are appreciated, colleagues of intimacy defending each other and disregarding all facts and evidence put forth is intentional deflection and ulterior inducement

Stupidity is only brilliant amongst its myopic peers.

Study facts, and the facts of the character, not the ficticious dialogue and frivolous veiled enigmas

[edit on 19-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Pardon me sir, but this is a response to the link posted by "hangerateteen" and not about the argument of mathematics. You should direct your snide commentary where it belongs!! I didn't ask "hangerateteen" to post that link. Did you?

Stupidity is only brilliant amongst its myopic peers

Calling me stupid? I resemble that remark! I'm not nearly as brilliant as many of you here. But I don't think calling those you disagree with stupid is exactly a hallmark of your intelligence, either. If you wish to make your case, do so on the strength or validity of their commentary and evidences, not on whether or not you can type the word "stupidity", which is not a valid form of debate. In debate circles, I believe that is called "ad hominem"



[edit on 19-5-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
But I don't think calling those you disagree with stupid is exactly a hallmark of your intelligence, either."

The word stupid was created because of those who are more intelligent.

In fact, it is. You see, because my intelligence tells me that there is a whole bunch of stupidity and *hey, hey! Over here! Look!* "Don't pay attention to Mr. Lear's unconsistencies and his factual arms being ripped straight from his body of opinion, then leaking the blood of ignorance from every crevace of bubbling truth to leave its joints replaced with purity and sparkling clarity in the aftermath of the acclimated rat detection process. No! Interact with us in creating artificialized conniptions."

That's what you and a few others are trying to cleverly pass off. The meat of this thread was a few pages back and is now becoming lost in misdirected and unimportant political and personal jibberish that is not in line with the topic.

This very post serves as a perfect example to the deflection currently in operation. Whether organized or not.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

I'm not qualified to comment on the mathematical observations. I am, however, capable of commenting on the link that was posted by one of the anti-Lear folks in this thread. If you don't want your compadres, derailing the thread, ask them not to post irrelevancies. It's irrelevant to the UFO question or the gravity of the moon, if John Lear wets the bed at night, drinks like a fish, believes JFK was shot by his butler twice-removed on his uncle's side, or has 15 penthouse magazine subscriptions. Totally. Irrelevant. That's why I'm here fussing. You may proceed with the "meat" of your prior conversation at any juncture but don't try any of that, pissy little genius stuff with me. I may not be a rocket scientist, but I've raised a few kids of my own, and smart as they are, they don't get far with the "i'm better than you, because i'm smarter than you" spiel.

Originally posted by undo
I'm not qualified to comment on the mathematical observations.

Exactly. So I am better than you at math because I am smarter than you at it.

I am, however, capable of commenting on the link that was posted by one of the anti-Lear folks in this thread. If you don't want your compadres, derailing the thread, ask them not to post irrelevancies.

Compadres? I will have you know that I speak privately with no ATS members. The only interlocution that we ever partake in is on message boards. I am here for truths, not teams, but that's not the way you see it.

Looking through red glasses the world can only be judged as rosy. Catch the analogy? Not every one is here trying to back up their friends, Mrs/Mr..

It's irrelevant to the UFO question or the gravity of the moon, if John Lear wets the bed at night, drinks like a fish, believes JFK was shot by his butler twice-removed on his uncle's side, or has 15 penthouse magazine subscriptions.

In a sense yes, and in a sense no. All though all of the above would not surprise me. That is not a personal attack, rather an honest reponse. It would really not be surprising nor would it change any thing. The above characteristics are normal Human behaviours. Now believing JFK was shot by his butler twice removed on his uncle's side would not astound me because that would be in tune with the normal John Lear claims.

Totally. Irrelevant.

Then why post it? No one else did.

That's why I'm here fussing.

Because someone said John drinks like a fish? I agree it is irrelevent, but what did sharing your life story a page back have to do with any thing?

You may proceed with the "meat" of your prior conversation at any juncture but don't try any of that, pissy little genius stuff with me.

Prissy little genius stuff... excuse me ma'am/sir, I am the nucleus of marvlement. It is my nature. Sorry that it offends you, but you won't bring me down to your fearfull little feeble mind stuff.

I may not be a rocket scientist, but I've raised a few kids of my own, and smart as they are, they don't get far with the "i'm better than you, because i'm smarter than you" spiel.

Unfortunately I am not one of your children and I may just be a rocket scientist.

I have raised many, too. Does that make us equal in the eyes of parenthood? Should we share more life stories so that we can put our reputations on the line and in the public in a thread titled "is John Lear spreading diss info?"

[edit on 19-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Progression (in case you missed it or are reading-impaired)

1. hangerateteen (one of the anti-Lear people on this thread) posted a link filled with personal attacks against Lear.

2. I responded that this link was irrelevant information and that before i'm deemed a conspirator in league with the CIA (if Lear is, then his supporters must be as well, is the inference), it would behoove those who read the thread to consider the evidence does NOT support such an assumption. If he's a republican, what does that have to do with the subject? I mean, i'm more democratic and independent and definitely moderate, so how does his "republican" standing (if he is republican) have any bearing on the topic, especially if his supporters are from nearly every political position? I bet Zorgon is a democrat! I bet alot of his supporters are democrats. Errr wait, does this make it a democratic cover-up? Things that make you go hmmm. Or maybe it's an independent cover-up!! Or maybe, it's not a cover-up at all.

3. You step in at this juncture and fuss that anyone responded to the link at all. How convenient. One of the people who agrees with you, posts derogatory info about Lear, to sway public opinion, and then when someone calls foul, you swagger along with your superiority complex and accuse anyone who responds to it as attempting to derail the thread. Who ya tryin' to kid, kid?

Originally posted by undo
(although i know you don't want to be on my friends list, which is really kinda the point, now isn't it?).

I'm sorry if you take my posts personally, if I disagree with you certainly doesn't mean that I don't like you as I person or want to be your friend. Just because I may disagree with your beliefs doesn't mean that I don't like you. I like everyone Even Zorgon and John, I just don't agree with their beleifs. It's certainly nothing personal. I actually admire John's flight accomplishments, and as a parent and husband, I certainly respect where Zorgon is coming from. C'mon now who wouldn't want to be friends with me

That is a rhetorical question

Originally posted by undo
1. hangerateteen (one of the anti-Lear people on this thread) posted a link filled with personal attacks against Lear.

I am aware of the above. I am pointing out your personal agenda fueled by your personal persona and acquaintance with "pro-Lear" non-contributors and other randomized responses dealing with your life and how it makes you more intellectually superior than others just because you have been a parent to bratty kids.

2. I responded that this link was irrelevant information and that before i'm deemed a conspirator in league with the CIA (if Lear is, then his supporters must be as well, is the inference)

Acceptable.

it would behoove those who read the thread to consider the evidence does NOT support such an assumption. If he's a republican, what does that have to do with the subject?

He could be here for a political/PTB/governmental agenda among countless other things. It would have every thing to do with the subject. The subject is about John Lear being a diss info agent. That means that any thing brought forth about John Lear as long as it stays within the T&C of ATS is fair game and susceptible to member analysis without off topic, opinionated obstruction.

I mean, i'm more democratic and independent and definitely moderate, so how does his "republican" standing (if he is republican) have any bearing on the topic, especially if his supporters are from nearly every political position?

See above. We can go in many directions with this. After all, as of now it's all speculatory.

I bet Zorgon is a democrat! I bet alot of his supporters are democrats. Errr wait, does this make it a democratic cover-up? Things that make you go hmmm. Or maybe it's an independent cover-up!! Or maybe, it's not a cover-up at all.

Good questions.

3. You step in at this juncture and fuss that anyone responded to the link at all. How convenient. One of the people who agrees with you, posts derogatory info about Lear, to sway public opinion, and then when someone calls foul,

If he posts "derogatory" info about Lear, then he does not agree with me. That was only your assumption. My knowledge of Lear is purely based on what Lear tells me and others, and the mathematics of his allegations. So far all have been unconsistent and he has showed me and others that he is 100% unaware of what he is proclaiming.

you swagger along with your superiority complex and accuse anyone who responds to it as attempting to derail the thread. Who ya tryin' to kid, kid?

You come along and swagger with your depressing, join me in my stupidity and don't be smart complex. Wanna be reverse psychology major, more like majorly psychotic.

I am intellectually superior to you as of this moment and probably always will be. So? I'm proud of my exclusive perspicacity. Why my age (kid) has any thing to do with this truly befuddles me. Then if you take pride in being older and it gives you a sense of security and dominion over those more intellectual than you, but are younger than you... sorry for ruining your bully party. There's a new Daddy in town

[edit on 19-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by kleverone


I'm sorry if you take my posts personally, if I disagree with you certainly doesn't mean that I don't like you as I person or want to be your friend. Just because I may disagree with your beliefs doesn't mean that I don't like you. I like everyone

Even Zorgon and John, I just don't agree with their beleifs. It's certainly nothing personal. I actually admire John's flight accomplishments, and as a parent and husband, I certainly respect where Zorgon is coming from. C'mon now who wouldn't want to be friends with me

That is a rhetorical question

Well I do like your hat, so.......
Hey, turn about's fair play. Why haven't you put me on YOUR friends list? Hmm.. Perhaps it's the blond hair.

LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal

The problem is, I've seen the evidence of most of what Lear is talking about. As regards the debate over gravity, that, I don't qualify to comment on. But I reserve the right to defend the integrity of anyone I consider a friend or at the very least, the integrity of those bits of info I agree with or hold in common with them. This is only natural, don't you agree?

[edit on 19-5-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
I'm not qualified to comment on the mathematical observations.

You might want to remedy that than if you wish anyone to take your book seriously. How do you really plan to convince anyone that you are knowledgable on the subject of the moon and its relation to the earth if you can't fully grasp the implications of gravity and its effects on the earth. How much of these other claims broght for by Zorgon and John have you not validated as truth in your own mind without self-evident verification?

Your nothing... and your off topic.
John lear seems a genuine guy, i would rather listen to a legendary pilot who is well known in UFO circles than a snivelling pubescent cheese ball.

Originally posted by undo
Well I do like your hat, so.......
Hey, turn about's fair play. Why haven't you put me on YOUR friends list? Hmm.. Perhaps it's the blond hair.

Oh wait your blonde? Well thats a horse of a different color! It would certainly explain you last few posts! Joking!

Originally posted by kleverone


You might want to remedy that than if you wish anyone to take your book seriously. How do you really plan to convince anyone that you are knowledgable on the subject of the moon and its relation to the earth if you can't fully grasp the implications of gravity and its effects on the earth. How much of these other claims broght for by Zorgon and John have you not validated as truth in your own mind without self-evident verification?

Zorgon is the researcher. I'm the writer. I'm verbose and a fan of lexicography. He does the brain work, I do the sentence structure. Well, that was the case at one point. Not sure if it will ever be achieved. Actually, I was majoring in medicine in college (wanted to be a doctor of natural medicine) and was on the Dean's List and President's List, but alas, I wasn't able to finish. Mom was living with us at the time and was suffering with advanced alzheimers. She would cry everytime I left for classes and beg me to take her with me, even though half the time, she couldn't remember my name or even who I was. Anyway, order of priority, ya know...

[edit on 19-5-2007 by undo]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Your nothing... and your off topic.
John lear seems a genuine guy, i would rather listen to a legendary pilot who is well known in UFO circles than a snivelling pubescent cheese ball.

who are you reffering to? Please say me.

Originally posted by undo
This is only natural, don't you agree?

Not on any level. I support truth and only truth. Friend or no friend, if you become knowingly deceitful then you have betrayed me and every one around you, and you are no longer a friend until you can regain/gain the trust of the/a neighboring community.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Your nothing... and your off topic.
John lear seems a genuine guy, i would rather listen to a legendary pilot who is well known in UFO circles than a snivelling pubescent cheese ball.

I cut you some slack on this one due to the fact that you are new. We do not allow personal attacks on other members. Guide yourself accordingly.

Originally posted by kleverone

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Your nothing... and your off topic.
John lear seems a genuine guy, i would rather listen to a legendary pilot who is well known in UFO circles than a snivelling pubescent cheese ball.

why would it be you?
Its that toolbox derailing the thread.

John Lear certainly seems to know a lot of things.
A lot of stuff i have learnt over the years equates to what MR lear says or it at least backs my own theories up..
I do not believe he is correct with the gravity, nevertheless i believe he is more than on to something with the whole moon business.
He shouldnt be attacked just for his gravity stance, as he brings much more to the table.

who are you reffering to? Please say me.

Lets all not forget that holographic projection of the 2 airplanes that hit the towers as John Lear once mentioned.

Originally posted by undo

Zorgon is the researcher. I'm the writer. I'm verbose and a fan of lexicography.

He does the brain work, I do the sentence structure. Well, that was the case at one point. Not sure if it will ever be achieved. Actually, I was majoring in medicine in college (wanted to be a doctor of natural medicine) and was on the Dean's List and President's List, but alas, I wasn't able to finish. Mom was living with us at the time and was suffering with advanced alzheimers. She would cry everytime I left for classes and beg me to take her with me, even though half the time, she couldn't remember my name or even who I was. Anyway, order of priority, ya know...

I wish you the best of luck and hope your book sells millions I expect a free copy