Is John Lear Spreading Disinfo?

Originally posted by hangerateteen
Possibly. Google Lars Hansson or better yet check this out....

LEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS
www.ufomind.com...

It's a long read but VERY revealing in how John treats his “friends”. John will tell you it's half true if you ask him, he just won't say which half. According to John's old buddy Lars, Lazar came to Lear looking to make some money doing the UFO circuit. I don't know, maybe they weren't paying him enough to clean the toilets at "Area 51".

I figure Lear screwed Lazar over like he did Lars and others before him like John Grace (and now Zorgon LOL) by setting him up to try and pull off a hoax which was doomed to fail because of his bogus sources, info and forgery skills.

The only question left for me is what motivates John to continue to do this to gullible (initially anyway) people? One possibility is he's doing it on behalf of some organization and if so is it one of ours or?

Gordon Novel says something similar. He claims that John is his friend, but then claims that due to some instances, mainly with Lazar, that he felt John was somehow tied into disinfo. But he also stated that he wasn't so sure that John was purposefully doing it. The interview is on projectcamelot.org, and is pretty interesting.

Honestly, the stuff novel is working on is similar in concept to what Zorgons group works on, but from a slightly different angle. Those two should get together.

The problem with Novel is that he has been involved in almost everything, even the JFK assassination. His credibility could be suspect, to one degree or another, depending on the source.

I figure Lear screwed Lazar over like he did Lars and others before him like John Grace (and now Zorgon LOL)

Zorgon? How's he screwing over Zorgon?

Hey Zorgon? Are you reading this?

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Ghost01

Speaking of debunking, let's look at the definition of that word:

Debunkers are scientific skeptics who ATTEMPT to disprove and pursue what THEY consider to be false

Yup that about sums it up alright

What THEY CONSIDER TO BE FALSE...

That says it all really, it simply THEIR opinion that they feel they must ram down others throats..

Hey Pot.....This is Kettle.......You're Black.

Originally posted by undo

Zorgon? How's he screwing over Zorgon?

Well Zorgon pretty is pretty much screwing himself over by agreeing with anything John says and even going so far as to answer questions that were directed at John, so I would say its a fair assesment that Zorgon either just needs a freind or he is John Lear under a different ATS handle. Either way he, avoids responding to any valid questions and nitpicks to try to change the subject .

Hey Zorgon? Are you reading this?

I assure you is.

After reading the article "hangerateteen" posted, I must say that it has had the opposite effect intended (on me, anyway). Instead of making John Lear look bad, it's outlined how very sensitive this issue has become. That the author of it felt he had to drag out Lear's private life, and parade it around for others, as if this somehow changed whether or not there's a UFO issue to consider. It begs the UFO issue is nothing but a smokescreen, thereby automatically taking the opposite position of assuming that the hundreds of thousands of sightings and encounters, abductions and so on, are nothing more than the vivid imagingings of a lunatic fringe. What a comfortably snobby position.

I realize the man is angry, but isn't it odd that on one hand he has to regale us with his own improprities, only to expect us to consider his "disgust" at Lear's illicit affairs, as genuinely held. How does one say "I was a womanizer, myself, but boy am I disgusted at Lear's womanizing"? Does he hope his audience has lost sight of this fact by the time he's done being holier-than-Lear?

Strange. The entire thing is strange.

Originally posted by kleverone

Well Zorgon pretty is pretty much screwing himself over by agreeing with anything John says and even going so far as to answer questions that were directed at John, so I would say its a fair assesment that Zorgon either just needs a freind or he is John Lear under a different ATS handle. Either way he, avoids responding to any valid questions and nitpicks to try to change the subject .

I've spoken with him on the phone, while preparing the book "The Living Moon" and can assure you he is NOT John Lear. He sounds nothing like the man. He's not as old as the man and not as rich as the man, either. They both live in Vegas or thereabouts but they are not the same person.

Originally posted by kleverone

Well Zorgon pretty is pretty much screwing himself over by agreeing with anything John says and even going so far as to answer questions that were directed at John, so I would say its a fair assesment that Zorgon either just needs a freind or he is John Lear under a different ATS handle. Either way he, avoids responding to any valid questions and nitpicks to try to change the subject .

you should read through his web pages. They are not the same guy...not even close.

Undo, stay tuned to as the World Turns or should I say as the Universe Turns Upside Down starring John Lear. This is better than a soap opera great entertainment at no charge LOL. Rik Riley

Not to mention the fact, I've had a three way call from them while discussing the book. Lear came to Zorgon's house, and we discussed the material via phone (I live in Florida ... oh and before you get the conspiracy hat on as regards my involvement, i'm just a poor to middle class house wife, who's husband is an enlisted master sergeant in the air force. he doesn't fly planes, and his biggest claim to fame is flying a desk (he's a glorified secretary). enlisted means he's not even an officer. people don't call him "Sir". his tenure in the air force has been horrible, with the exception of a few bright spots, the entire experience has been one bad event after another, such as sending him to the middle of baghdad during the beginning of the war in iraq, while i was trying to deal with my terminallly ill mother, in my home, while i was myself recovering from breast cancer, a radical masectomy and chemotherapy that nearly killed me. while he was there, she died, and i had to deal with the arrangements, by myself (well, i did have the help of my oldest boy (thanks steven). anyway, don't even go there. just don't. )

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Originally posted by rikriley
Undo, stay tuned to as the World Turns or should I say as the Universe Turns Upside Down starring John Lear. This is better than a soap opera great entertainment at no charge LOL. Rik Riley

Sheesh. What's up with this stuff, anyway? These people insert way too much garbage into the picture. Stuff that isnt' even relevant. Next I expect we'll hear that the UFO issue is not legitimate because Lear smoked a cigar when he was 12.

Originally posted by undo
Not to mention the fact, I've had a three way call from them while discussing the book. Lear came to Zorgon's house, and we discussed the material via phone (I live in Florida ... oh and before you get the conspiracy hat on as regards my involvement, i'm just a poor to middle class house wife, who's husband is an enlisted master sergeant in the air force. he doesn't fly planes, and his biggest claim to fame is flying a desk (he's a glorified secretary). enlisted means he's not even an officer. people don't call him "Sir". his tenure in the air force has been horrible, with the exception of a few bright spots, the entire experience has been one bad event after another, such as sending him to the middle of baghdad during the beginning of the war in iraq, while i was trying to deal with my terminallly ill mother, in my home, while i was myself recovering from breast cancer, a radical masectomy and chemotherapy that nearly killed me. while he was there, she died, and i had to deal with the arrangements, by myself (well, i did have the help of my oldest boy (thanks steven). anyway, don't even go there. just don't. )

No offense, but what does that have anything to do with what we are talking about

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Originally posted by undo

I've spoken with him on the phone, while preparing the book "The Living Moon" and can assure you he is NOT John Lear.

I was actually joking but now you tell me they both live in Las Vegas and act exactly like the same person? And Lear, Zorgon, and Rik RIley are the only friends you have picked? All of whom are a tight little circle on this thread.

He's not as old as the man and not as rich as the man, either.

What? Did you see pictures of him and his bank account?

They both live in Vegas or thereabouts but they are not the same person.

Well they sound to me like they are all trying to sell us the same tale! I'm not buying.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by kleverone

Well Zorgon pretty is pretty much screwing himself over by agreeing with anything John says and even going so far as to answer questions that were directed at John, so I would say its a fair assesment that Zorgon either just needs a freind or he is John Lear under a different ATS handle. Either way he, avoids responding to any valid questions and nitpicks to try to change the subject .

you should read through his web pages. They are not the same guy...not even close.

It was originally meant as a joke, although I'm not sure how you can tell someone is not the same guy judging by what a person types? I don't see that one holding up in court.

Originally posted by undo

I've spoken with him on the phone, while preparing the book "The Living Moon" and can assure you he is NOT John Lear.

I'm sorry, would you clarify for me, are you writing a book?

Originally posted by kleverone

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by kleverone

Well Zorgon pretty is pretty much screwing himself over by agreeing with anything John says and even going so far as to answer questions that were directed at John, so I would say its a fair assesment that Zorgon either just needs a freind or he is John Lear under a different ATS handle. Either way he, avoids responding to any valid questions and nitpicks to try to change the subject .

you should read through his web pages. They are not the same guy...not even close.

It was originally meant as a joke, although I'm not sure how you can tell someone is not the same guy judging by what a person types? I don't see that one holding up in court.

Zorgon has pictures of himself, his whole family, all his employees, plus price plans if you wish to purchase the services that his company provides (along with phone numbers and such).

Two different people entirely. Do some research. I understand it was a joke...my statements were to clear up the matter for others.

John and Zorgon are not the "tight little circle" you presume. There are others here that Zorgon is much "tighter" with, judging by some of the additional research I have done. I won't share, though....you gotta do your own leg work. If you do, you might see that this whole thing is not as ludicrous as you would believe, and you might stop questioning the character of those involved so much.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Two different people entirely. Do some research. I understand it was a joke...my statements were to clear up the matter for others.

which you did not even come close to doing.

John and Zorgon are not the "tight little circle" you presume. There are others here that Zorgon is much "tighter" with, judging by some of the additional research I have done. I won't share, though....you gotta do your own leg work.

If you had done any research at all you would present it as fact, which you have not done. You have offered us the idea that you did a little research and that we should believe you without any evidence presented whatsoever, way to deny ignorance

If you do, you might see that this whole thing is not as ludicrous as you would believe, and you might stop questioning the character of those involved so much.

If you would present one shred of evidence for the proof you claim then maybe I would listen to you, until then you are hardly a subject expert matter and you will have to forgive me for "taking your word for it"

I can't believe you offered up the old, its there you just have to find it for yourself. ummmmm. I can't because its not there. Which is why you have presented ZERO evidence to back up your claim of Zorgon and Lear "not being a tight little circle".

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

John and Zorgon are not the "tight little circle" you presume. There are others here that Zorgon is much "tighter" with, judging by some of the additional research I have done. I won't share, though....you gotta do your own leg work. If you do, you might see that this whole thing is not as ludicrous as you would believe, and you might stop questioning the character of those involved so much.

Zorgon still hasn't bought into the 'moon's breathable atmosphere'. So if he is me I would just like to say, "Look self, knock this off. There is a breathable atmosphere on the moon. Period."

Originally posted by kleverone
I'm sorry, would you clarify for me, are you writing a book?

Zorgon and I were writing a book, based on Lear's info and other info we had the ability to investigate or info that was sent to Zorgon by other researchers. So initially, Lear was involved, to get his facts and information out on the table where we could see it and trace the leads. But it doesn't appear it will get off the ground at this juncture, mostly due to the fact that these types of books don't really make money, and Zorgon has a family and needs to spend his prime time making a living. I'm a housewife and have plenty of time, but can't proceed without Zorgon's research. So only snippets of time have been alloted to the project. If it ever does get written, it won't be on the New York Times Best Seller's list, that's for sure, because the issues involved are too much of paradigm change, for both the religious and non-religious, and people resist change (naturally).

As regards my diatribe about my health, it was just to point out that my involvement in Lear's supposed "cover-up" certainly has nothing to do with being some wealthy, drugged up, drunken, arm of the CIA, as the man in that article claimed Lear was. I was warning anyone that might try that angle, that you will be thoroughly embarrassed if you do, as I'm about as important as a gnat. I have no connections with the CIA, have only voted twice in my life: once for Jimmy Carter when I was eighteen (and I'm nearly 50 now) and once for an independent when I was in my late thirites. I don't drink, do drugs, nor do I cheat on my spouse. I'm not famous, never flew a plane, and have no savings because we need what little we make to pay for our home and the upbringing of our children.

As regards my choice of friends. I rarely get off the John Lear moon thread and Star Gates are Real thread, so I haven't had the occassion to make friends with some of the other posters here. (although i know you don't want to be on my friends list, which is really kinda the point, now isn't it?).

Let me clarify a few things:

If I was in cahoots with Lear in some massive cover-up, I'd need a reason I felt was worthy (which as far as I'm concerned, no reason is worthy of hiding the truth) and, the next thing I would do is convert him to christianity. He's not a christian. In fact, he appears to despise christianity. I'm still his friend even though I know he hates my belief system. Wanna know why? Cause, when I find what I deem to be the truth, I accept it even if I don't agree with the rest of what the person offering the info believes. Idunno how many times i've heard that christians are close-minded bigots, but I can tell you right now, that if this thread is any indication of what the other side is about, you certainly aren't shining examples of tolerance !!! Keep it up. You're making me look good.

Kleverone, you forgot that Undo and I live in Florida there has to be a conspiracy.

I was walking down the street in beautiful Florida beneath gorgeous palm trees. The leaves and branches of the palm trees were waving too and frow out of the corner of my eye I look up and see this large redish orange glowing sphere. What could this be I am thinking? I could feel the heat from this sphere it seemed to be moving very slowly in a specific trajectory.

Others standing around me could also see this sphere and it gave off immense heat. Everytime we looked at this sphere it blinded us and as night fall approached it disappeared. Some of us bystanders got burnt from the rays emmiting from the sphere. We went back the next day at the same spot and low and behold this same large redish orange sphere appears again.

The girl next to me says you are going to get burned by the rays from this sphere. I asked what could I do about it, she said get a higher level of sun tan lotion with 30 plus sunscreen blocker and wear sunglasses. Thank God I took her advise so everytime I see this sphere I am prepared. As The Universe Turns Upside Down. Rik Riley

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