Is John Lear Spreading Disinfo?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
That the U.S. military has interstellar flight capability and what a shame it is that this knowledge is being kept from the public.

In your opinion, why is this information being kept from the public?

By the way, it's being kept from the public quite unsuccessfully as evidenced by the number of web sites, books, and discussion forums like ATS, where it's openly discussed daily.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
That the U.S. military has interstellar flight capability and what a shame it is that this knowledge is being kept from the public.

Originally posted by darkbluesky
In your opinion, why is this information being kept from the public?

By the way, it's being kept from the public quite unsuccessfully as evidenced by the number of web sites, books, and discussion forums like ATS, where it's openly discussed daily.

IMHO...

True, it is being discussed but we hardly have access to interstellar spacecraft or clear and extensive documentaries about off-world bases and habitable worlds. Nor do we have the advantage of a thread discussion such as this one with a renegade and benevolent Zetan-alien (who would have to be hidden and safeguarded by an affluent group of private citizens).

So at any time a skeptic or disinformation agent can interject that there is hardly any physical evidence to prove the existence of extraterrestrials in the first place. The aluminum fragment discussed in another ATS thread being a rare bit of hard core proof.

Granted, there have been some former governmental insiders who have gone public with testimony about UFOs and aliens. John Lear being one of them, along with Robert Lazar and Clifford Stone.

But the official stance of the government at large is that UFOs and aliens do not exist and that they are not a threat to national security.

Why is this information being kept hidden from the public?

CONTROL

Open acknowledgment of the existence of an advanced extraterrestrial civilization that abducts and treats many people here like farm animals and slaves, would greatly lessen the control that the government has over the general population. Moreover, many long-held institutions and churches would immediately close.

POWER

Many in high levels in the government do not want people to have access to the advanced technology that they have.

GREED

There are forms of what has come to be termed "free energy" devices, some of which are currently being developed by independent scientists and engineers, that the aliens have which would completely solve the energy and environmental crisis here. However, in doing so, it would take power and money away from big corporations and into the hands of the individual. Which means that many within the mega-rich will no longer be able to bleed the general public, and continue to broaden the economic gap between the rich and the poor.

ESCAPE

This planet, which is in a constant state of war in various areas, is in danger environmentally. Many people in high levels of government want to ensure that they have a seat on one of the "Non-Terrestrial" ships when things really fall apart. If everyone knew about it, then it would be much more difficult for them to make a discreet getaway later on.

COVERT ALIEN COOPERATION

Facets of the U.S. government have been working alongside Zetan-Greys and their Reticuli leaders for decades. Part of the deal is that the government will keep the aliens' existence a secret. In exchange, they will be given some advanced technology.

The Zetan Empire does not want open disclosure because it would make it more difficult for them to harvest this world and its peoples as they wish, selfishly. The Zetans have made it clear to the government that they wish to remain an official secret.

Which is why you don't have Greys testifying on YouTube and Google online videos and also why a large Zetan triangular battleship doesn't land in a grassy area on The Mall in Washington, DC and officially announce their presence to the world.

PUBLIC RETALIATION

The federal government, not all of it but some of it, has been heavily engrossed in furthering a deception about the existence of extraterrestrials for many decades. They have also incarcerated and/or murdered many innocent people along the way who they viewed as a threat to keeping highly classified material a secret from the general public. If they were to suddenly "come clean" on this issue, the civilian population would rise and overthrow them. Some facets of the military would side with that uprising and a new government would emerge.

Those currently in high levels of government would like to keep their jobs, their inflated salaries, their lives, their families, their fat pensions, their luxurious estates, and their interstellar escape ticket for as long as possible.

Yes, the information is slowly leaking out. They can't stop that. But not so much so that the government is in jeopardy of losing control. When the truth becomes a threat to THEIR national security, then you will see more federal forces at work to silence the voices of truth.

Originally posted by yfxxx

He has no evidence whatsoever that he saw as much as a single byte of "interesting" data.

Sorry yfxxx, no points for you. But thanks for tying.

My opinion is that the best chance of military or private sector individuals with Top Secret or Above Top Secret clearence divulging Secret information on aliens, secret propulsion systems, anti gravity vehicles, Moon bases, Mars bases is prior to or on their death bed. Rik Riley



[edit on 11-5-2007 by rikriley]

All I know is, when my husband told me that the craft he saw at Hill AFB, Utah, blinked out and reappeared farther away, made no sound, was the biggest thing he'd ever seen in the air, was seamless, had no insignia, no afterburners, no visible engines, that's when I knew the people who say the Gov is hiding fancy, anti-grav, space-warping tech from us, were telling the truth.

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by yfxxx

He has no evidence whatsoever that he saw as much as a single byte of "interesting" data.

Sorry yfxxx, no points for you. But thanks for tying.

And you idiot didn't even try to answer my questions, did you? Again: From where, and with which launch vehicles was this "secret space station" delivered to orbit? I would bet a lot that you can't come up with an answer which doesn't need at least one more completely ridiculous and outlandish conspiracy theory. But since you can apparently make up those CTs quickly and easily, I just sit back and see with what BS you come up this time. Maybe anti-gravity launchers ... from underground bases in Antarctica ... constructed by the Nazis after WW 2

yf

yf..just some food for thought..or links....22 space launch sites

and launches per country

for the majority who don't look at links...or for that matter the 'moon anomolies' thread...how many earth orbit and space launches do you think the u.s. has done between 1957-2005?? don't worry, this is not a graded test...one thousand threehundred and five....1305.....russia?? TWOTHOUSAND sevenhundred and fortysix..2746...to me that is alot of room for ...stuff...no, no..i'll just say it..for launching extra people, equipment, supplies ect, into earth orbit, the moon, mars and points beyond.

disinfo is to hide the facts and to stear people towards other areas...i guess john's info is pointing to humans..alliens on the moon ect..and not really steering them away from looking at ALL the anomolies...if john is a disinfo agent..the govt needs to fire him 'cause he has totaly botched up the job.....
good work john

i guess you all know where i stand.......

Originally posted by yfxxx


[qoute]And you idiot didn't even try




Yfxxx there is no reason for insults here on ATS. We may have our disagreements but all we're talking about here is ideas.

I told you that I felt the secret space stations were launched from other facilities. Maybe larger parts were launched from Antarctica.

I know that you are probably still unhappy over losing the moon gravity argument but that is no reason to call me an idiot. Actually, I bested you didn't I?

[edit on 11-5-2007 by johnlear]

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by yfxxx

And you idiot didn't even try

Yfxxx there is no reason for insults here on ATS. We may have our disagreements but all we're talking about here is ideas.

I told you that I felt the secret space stations were launched from other facilities. Maybe larger parts were launched from Antarctica.

I know that you are probably still unhappy over losing the moon gravity argument but that is no reason to call me an idiot. Actually, I bested you didn't I?

LOL.

John, you have provided me with a day off spent full of very amusing reading and riotous laughter. The responses you had in Sleeper's thread about coming clean are so funny i can hardly contain myself.

I would love to have your ability to spin a sarcastic response into something that is only mildly sarcastic. I love it.

There are places on this planet with no one living within a thousand miles. My grandfather workedon the coolant systems on the nuke bays in Kwajelein (sp?) when my mom was a young adult/late teen. The south pacific is a wonderful place to do something and never get seen, and we control a good amount of it.


[edit on 11-5-2007 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by yfxxx

He has no evidence whatsoever that he saw as much as a single byte of "interesting" data.

Sorry yfxxx, no points for you. But thanks for trying.

Originally posted by darkbluesky
By the way, it's being kept from the public quite unsuccessfully as evidenced by the number of web sites, books, and discussion forums like ATS, where it's openly discussed daily.

Well one of the theories we have is that they are gearing to a major release of secret info in the near future and I have a lot of evidence to support this...

However ATS is one of the best sites for this kind of discussion, and all you have to do is look at this thread to see the reactions to anything out of the ordinar... Imagine then what its like all over the web. I bet the government knows this... counts on it... and most likely feeds it to keep people guessing.

As long as people trying to bring stuff to public attention have to suffer ridicule and abuse, the government can do what it wants... anyone sees something they merely point to the conspiracy nuts..

One main factor in this is that people generally DO NOT read links to material in most of these discussions... I posted military documents from the DoD, AFRL and LANL regarding work on teleportation and stargates... the mere fact that these bodies are even TALKING about it should get peoples attention... yet only a few people even glanced at it and there were no comments at all in three threads.

What does this mean? There are literally THOUSANDS of documents available online about things like work on stargates, gravity shielding, warp drives etc. They are public, but not easy to find... so they are invisible to the majority of the public...

Unless you know what you are looking for, you won't find it...

Now we are talking secrets launches...

How about launching from a moving platform at sea? You can go anywhere with one of those...

Maybe something big enough that can launch Delta IV Heavy component rockets?

That would put a new twist into the picture wouldn't it?

And how about if that Launch Platform was an international venture, proving they are working on this together?

And what if the Launch vehicle was a Joint Boeing Energia venture? You know Energia... the RUSSIAN company who builds the RUSSIAN shuttle Buran?

Hmmm that would really put a twist into things...

Don't worry its coming.....



www.sea-launch.com...



Boeing and Energia in partnership... setting off any bells here?



Boeing defense contracts...

www.boeing.com...

Now then how much of a stretch to figure out that the US military has a few of these around as well?

Okay so we have a floating launch platform NOT hidden from the public that can launch Delta IV Heavies as well as Russian/US launch vehicles...


Delta IV Heavy Lifter - Space Freighters In Fact And In Fiction
www.technovelgy.com...

he Delta IV Heavy rocket is capable of the following payloads and orbital targets:

* 48,000 pounds to low-Earth orbit (LEO) like the International Space Station
* 28,000 pounds to geosynchronous transfer orbit (used by communcation satellites)
* 22,000 pounds to Trans Lunar Injection routes to the moon
* 17,000 pounds to Mars-bound trajectories

22,000 pounds to the Moon 17,000 pounds to Mars? thats a lot of Astronauts and supplies

Wait for it there is more....

[edit on 12-5-2007 by zorgon]

Aquila Cargo Transport

Yes a search will lead you to "Chronicles of Riddick"

This is a report of a work in progress. So far as the author is presently aware, this topic has not been previously addressed. Proprietary work by NASA or others may, however, exist that address similar topics.

This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in-crater and crater rim installations, as well as a 90 tons “marshalling yard” at the Earth-Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in-house Shuttle-Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called Aquila. This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center, using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV-Heavy components.

A second stage of the Delta IV-Heavy vehicle was used to deliver 15 tons payloads from Earth orbit to docking at L-1. By so doing, no “new start” systems are needed beyond those of the L-1 station and the LRB itself, provided the Aquila and Crew Exploration Vehicle have been previously developed. At L-1, three of these once-used stages are fitted with landing gear and other elements needed to produce a highly capable Lunar Vehicle and it is refueled from propellants delivered from Earth to place the base and to provide a single visit of a six person crew[/b[ to aid the robotic operations necessary to produce a fully functional base.

A Mars mission departing from L-1 with mass of 686 tons can be placed on the trans-Mars trajectory expending lunar-origin propellants and just one of the Lunar Vehicles, requiring an additional 13 Aquila launches. This will permit dual Mars spacecraft to be used for each mission with a 28% mass margin over a single, similar mass vehicle departing from low Earth orbit.

Source

This is one of my answers to Where and How

Edited to Add...
LRB = Lunar Resource Base



[edit on 12-5-2007 by zorgon]

Now it has often be said that why would we use "old fashioned out of date expensive rockets instead of the "antigravity" ships...

Very simple answer really... Anti gravity ships would be no less expensive than rockets, indeed most likely much more so that conventional rockets due to the nature of the materials involved...

Second they would not necessarily be well suited for simple cargo transport. You wouldn't use a Yacht to carry ore, personnel (workers) or simple cargo.

Third...The workers at Area 51 are flown in on a simple unmarked passenger plane... so too you would take ordinary workers by the "old fashioned" transports to better keep the secret... besides there is no rush for cargo transit, you would save your good ships for the elite and the military....

Under the guise of "satellite" launches one could send a lot of stuff etc as clearmind pointed out the shear number of launches is astonishing, and the existence of at least ONE movable floating sea platform changes things completely

Originally posted by johnlear
I know that you are probably still unhappy over losing the moon gravity argument but that is no reason to call me an idiot.

I'm not at all unhappy about the moon gravity argument, because I didn't lose it (at least not from the point of view of anyone who matters to me). So that is indeed no reason to call you anything.

Actually, I bested you didn't I?

Only in your dreams !

yf


[edit on 12.5.2007 by yfxxx]

@zorgon: Thank you for actually addressing the question about the options for secret launches. This is appreciated, even if I don't concur with your conclusions. In fact, your efforts are much more appreciated than those of a certain other poster, who apparently prefers more evasive tactics.

Regards
yf

Originally posted by zorgon
Now it has often be said that why would we use "old fashioned out of date expensive rockets instead of the "antigravity" ships...

Very simple answer really... Anti gravity ships would be no less expensive than rockets, indeed most likely much more so that conventional rockets due to the nature of the materials involved...

Second they would not necessarily be well suited for simple cargo transport. You wouldn't use a Yacht to carry ore, personnel (workers) or simple cargo.

Third...The workers at Area 51 are flown in on a simple unmarked passenger plane... so too you would take ordinary workers by the "old fashioned" transports to better keep the secret... besides there is no rush for cargo transit, you would save your good ships for the elite and the military....

Under the guise of "satellite" launches one could send a lot of stuff etc as clearmind pointed out the shear number of launches is astonishing, and the existence of at least ONE movable floating sea platform changes things completely

I doubt cheaper is any consideration.

We are obviously primed to accept wasteful spending. The jokes ar eopen and honest about government spending. And the budget is immense. Why do they allow so much waste, openly and in obvious blatant impudence?

The best reason you give for not using anitgrav is that you have to keep the general masses more ignorant. Each person that knows anything is a risk, and every fact they know a further risk, and risk mitigation is common parlance in political circles.

The South Pacific is vast and mostly dead. There are vast expanses where ships can be days apart, and no fish bother swimming in. Yeah....a mobile aquatic platform is definitely the key.

Wonder if there are any other floating bases out in the great blue sea?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

The South Pacific is vast and mostly dead. There are vast expanses where ships can be days apart, and no fish bother swimming in. Yeah....a mobile aquatic platform is definitely the key.

Wonder if there are any other floating bases out in the great blue sea?

I am fairly familiar with a lot of the Pacific. One of the areas that has interested me in the past year or so is Pearl & Hermas Atoll a hundred or so miles southeast of Midway Island. I used to fly over it all the time at about 6000 feet and admire its beauty. There was absolutely nothing there. This was between 1966 and 1970.

This is what it looks like on GoggleEarth today:



Now what do you suppose would be on a reef a million miles from nowhere that would require a 'cover up ' square?

Johnston Island has always been an island of mystery. Located 800 miles west of Honolulu it has always been restricted to any flight except military traffic. It was from there that in 1958 (about) that the first nuclear bomb was launched and exploded high in the atmosphere. The explosion knocked out communications in Hawaii for several days.

I landed there in a DC-8 a few years ago to drop off some cargo. It is a very small atoll with a runway and a small amount of land on either side of the runway. The launch complex for the rockets that lofted the nuclear bombs could be seen on the west end of the runway. This is what it looks like on GoggleEarth:



This is what Johnston Island looks like on short final landing to the east:



After the marshall gave me the sign to cut engines and the boarding ramp was rolled up a vehicle with an M-60 mounted on it drove in front of the aircraft. The M-60 was pointed in the general direction of the airplane. A Sgt. came on board and into the cockpit. This is what he said:

"Welcome to Johnston Island. In front of you is operations where you can file your flight plan and call company if you need to. We will have you out of here in about one hour and 30 minutes. Do not look or go behind your airplane, do not take any pictures of the area behind the airplane. If you do or try to that guy with the M60 will shoot you. Is that clear?

This is a picture of me on Johnston Island. It may not look like me because I dyed my hair black to look thinner:



This is the east end of Johnton Island. This is on the other end of where the guy said not to take the picture of or he would shoot me. I took this picture on takeoff. If I wake up dead tomorrow you'll know he meant no taking pictures of either end of the island.

Originally posted by zorgonNow we are talking secrets launches...

How about launching from a moving platform at sea? You can go anywhere with one of those...

How about just use the gravity drive ships?

Originally posted by darkbluesky

How about just use the gravity drive ships?

That is what we are trying to explain to you DBS. There are many different levels of secrecy. Some guys launched in a Titan4 which docks with a secret space station may think that that is the extent of the secret. He wouldn't be told, nor would he have any idea that we are mining on the moon. Each person who gets clearance gets to know only the minimum he needs to do his job. Thats why practically nobody who works at Groom Lake knows anything about the aliens there. They have no need to know.

Its not like a guy finally gets a clearance to work at Groom Lake changing tires on ramp vehicles and they take him into a briefing room, pull down the shades, turn up the white noise and say, "OK, here's where we keep the aliens."