University Apologizes For Using Slave Labor

Originally posted by truthseeka
Rockpuck...

Who gives a flip what you think? Remain ignorant, it doesn't affect my life.

............ok? Is that all?

Know what I think? Since you care and all?

I think you have changed over the past few weeks..

Originally posted by Rockpuck
............ok? Is that all?

Know what I think?

Since you care and all?

I think you have changed over the past few weeks..

Assuming that indeed is the case, do you have any idea WHY? Besides, that was a reference to what you think about the legitimacy of AAVE as a dialect of the English language, and the intellect of people who speak this dialect of English.

Ic.

It is just my opinion sure.. thats what I stated?

However, many people do not like the black culture for what it is, not who is partaking in it. I don't like whites, asians, mexicans or blacks who are "ghetto" and pretend to be "gangsta".. its a demeaning culture to ones self and others, especially women and children.

The "dialect" of English you speak of is directly related to this culture. I am yet to meet someone with a "ghetto" voice listening to rock, country, classical or something else.

Now, not all rap is bad.. there is some I listen to, but the "gangster" rap .. there is no excuse for it.

IMO of course.

Your opinion is apparently anything differing from your own is racist and bigoted, where as it is sadly ironic it is only your self that truely sounds this way.

This is what I think, and I refuse to have my words corrected politicaly because someone is over sensitive about (most likely) their own short comings, be them real or imagined due to recent propaganda.

PS.

do you have any idea WHY?

No doubt someone showed you the crimes of whites against blacks, how the black man is kept down by the white man, how blacks can't make it in society because of the white man, how unfair the white man is, how "ignorant" the white man is, how the white man just can't seem to understand the black mans troubles because the white man is the black mans trouble, and not to mention the apparent racism all white people have because the white people have opinions that put the black man in an unfavorable light because the white man is just a racist, bigoted self important racist that thinks only of him self and his whiteness and cannto spare the time of day to look away from his whiteness to see just how badly the black man is kept down because of the white man and his white actions.

Is that how you feel?

[edit on 4/27/2007 by Rockpuck]

Originally posted by Rockpuck

The "dialect" of English you speak of is directly related to this culture. I am yet to meet someone with a "ghetto" voice listening to rock, country, classical or something else.


[edit on 4/27/2007 by Rockpuck]

I just wanted to say that I like all of those genres as well as some of my friends so......

Proved me wrong then eh? I still think it would be wierd to actually see someone speaking "ghetto" and listening to country music.

Cosign that, Chaos. Well, except for country, but if you replaced that with electronic, I'm good.

Better luck with the next generalization, Puck.

As for that jumbled paragraph, nah. Reactions to my white privilege thread are a much better explanation.

Originally posted by lombozo
What does apologizing accomplish?

It accomplishes misplaced 'white guilt' and it accomplishes an agenda that some have to put the groundwork in for a major law suit. In the end it's all about getting free money.

OK, bottom line. If this thread doesn't get back on topic, the red flags will fly.

No further verbal warnings to follow.

QUESTIONS FOR EVERYONE.....ITS ON TOPIC

If you do not believe the university as well as other corp. should apologize do you think there should be an alternative and should only corps who made money off of slave labor should but not univ. apologize Or is it you position to get past slavery its no ones fault?

If you do think they should apologize what good do you think that will do and do you think that an apology is enough or.....

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
do you think that an apology is enough or.....

.... there ya' have it.

It starts by making people take responsibility for things that happened hundreds of years ago and that they had nothing to do with. They have nothing to apologize for AND if corporations make misplaced apologies, that just lays the groundwork for people demanding free MONEY.

An apology says 'I'm guilty'. Guilt = pay money.

No apologies. No money hand outs.

[edit on 4/27/2007 by FlyersFan]

Well implied..

IMO, if only corps and universities that had slaves, and benefited from them applogize.. they should only appologize to those that are at least 50% decended from an actual slave.

That would be very hard to do, very expensive.

In the end though.. if some corp giant says "oh, we are so so sorry. Won't do it again" does it really make you feel better? Does it really help?

IMO blacks should find the concept of appologizing for something 150 years ago just as stupid as white people and other colors find it..

Bad things happen all the time in past, it should be our concern to make sure we avoid these in the future, and mock appologize do nothing to assist in any "change" that is needed..

Implied

If companies made their wealth from slave labor/trade, I believe they should donate the equivalent amount of money made from slavery back into the black community. When I say equivalent, I mean taking inflation into account. Handouts? No. Community service, like building renovations in ghettos, and educational programs for black youth, yes.

Universities should offer scholarships that would equal the amount saved on building costs saved from slavery for Black students.

It's only fair.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Well implied..

IMO, if only corps and universities that had slaves, and benefited from them applogize.. they should only appologize to those that are at least 50% decended from an actual slave.

That would be very hard to do, very expensive.

I dont really know what you mean by it being expensive, its just an apology Last time I checked that was free... unless you are referring to giving money or loss of stock value from an apology or....

Rasobasi420---i like your idea. I think giving money out to people individually would be messing...then we would get into well how black are you? 90% or 75% and all that stuff.. but donating to causes or contributing to areas specifically for black people IMO is a good idea

[edit on 4/27/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Implied

If companies made their wealth from slave labor/trade, I believe they should donate the equivalent amount of money made from slavery back into the black community. When I say equivalent, I mean taking inflation into account. Handouts? No. Community service, like building renovations in ghettos, and educational programs for black youth, yes.

Universities should offer scholarships that would equal the amount saved on building costs saved from slavery for Black students.

It's only fair.

The effects on the economy would be massive, and the social fall out extreme.

You want handouts, plain and simple. I will never give anyone any of my money because they think something done 200 years ago deserves personal payment. And I would protect my self - my wealth by all means necessary, and I am affraid the majority of the people paying would feel the same way.

Ras, that idea is on point. But...

Let's face it, that's NOT going to happen. So, that brings us back to the apology.

I mean, if corporations and universities were greedy enough to use slave labor in the first place, why should you expect the greedy bastards to dish out reparations as you have suggested? Not taking anything from your idea; I'm just saying that demanding an apology is more feasible than demanding community payback.

But, as most of the people in the position to do either feel like FlyersFan, an apology is the most we can expect.

Rockpuck could you answer my question and clarify what you meant.
also we dont want YOUR money but if you own CSX or some other big multi million dallor company that benifitted from the slave trade instead of giving the VP a multi-million dollar bonus you should use that money to support black areas, schools, scholarships etc.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

The effects on the economy would be massive, and the social fall out extreme.

How so? I want you to give examples of how using corporate money to improve living conditions in ghettos, and aiding in education would be economically disastrous

You want handouts, plain and simple.

No, I want money that was made by exploiting the black community invested back into the black community. That's not a handout. That's payment for services rendered.

I will never give anyone any of my money because they think something done 200 years ago deserves personal payment.

Did you actually read my post? Did I ask you to give me money? Did I ask a corperation to give any individual money?

And I would protect my self - my wealth by all means necessary, and I am affraid the majority of the people paying would feel the same way.

Corporations never want to give away their money. Not to anyone. White, black, or purple.

[edit on 27-4-2007 by Rasobasi420]

NO.. I still do not think that corporations, universities, people or institutions should pay anything to the black community. And I never will.

As for the appology, while I have no problem watching some pathetic spokesperson ramble on about how sorry they are, it means nothing because they don't mean it, it is simply a PR move.. why demand more PR moves.

What do they ow you an appology for anyways? Where you a slave?

There where English companies that used white slaves for corporate gain.. maybe they should pay to.

And being Irish, my ancestors have been exploited time and again.

Not to mention during the slave trade more Africans where sold to Middle Eastern countries, maybe you should get a portion of the oil wealth.

Just absurd.

This thread has gone down the path of a Ceici type thread, I am out.

[edit on 4/27/2007 by Rockpuck]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
NO.. I still do not think that corporations, universities, people or institutions should pay anything to the black community. And I never will.

I see, the "tough $#!+, I screwed you, now you're poor and I'm rich" mentality.

There where English companies that used white slaves for corporate gain.. maybe they should pay to.

Maybe they should.

And being Irish, my ancestors have been exploited time and again.

You're right. Not through slavery per se, but through other means.

Not to mention during the slave trade more Africans where sold to Middle Eastern countries, maybe you should get a portion of the oil wealth.

It depends on how the slaves were used. If they were used to build that oil wealth, it's only fair that they share a part of it. No?
Just absurd.

This thread has gone down the path of a Ceici type thread, I am out.

I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

What do they ow you an appology for anyways? Where you a slave?

[edit on 4/27/2007 by Rockpuck]

No I was not but my relative were. And due to their involvement in slavery, i was born into a situation in which no matter what i do my intelligence, class, and morals will be questioned based on my race. They made it so it is 10x harder for me to get into college, get a good job, and overall have a successful life. They made it so I live in a society today in which old white lady's still clutch their purses and give me dirty looks. So no I was no a slave but I am still dealing with the effects of it.

-my 2CENTS

[edit on 4/27/2007 by ImpliedChaos]