Physical Immortality

Originally posted by Dissension
*Yawn

Three days, and nothing but self-glorifying nonsence. We are still waiting to hear your theory. I'm starting to think that you're just some kid seeking attention. I apologise if I struck a nerve. That's not my intention. I just don't have much patience for weak-minded attention seekers. Sorry.

You are correct. its a very dull very pointless troll by a attention seeking teenager who seems to enjoy wasting peoples time

I don't intend to reply to any more of your questions jimmy1200 so listen up this will be your last

hmmmm, how is karma just a belief made to control people? lets see. well, unlike you, i will take time to debate someones opinion, rather than respond with, well, nothing. although you could have took the time to respond to what i said with something decent, explaining your points of view. you instead choose to just respond like a kid who is incapable of actually debating his point of view. let me do this before you have to leave the library, kiddo.

LoL, Ha, nice, well not in a library, (not been to one in a long time in fact, and I'm not a kid, (I'm sure thats been mentioned that before, please read the posts before replying, it would help,)

now that we have addressed your infantile attack we will move on

i dont recall saying it was boring. dogma is only natural, but when it comes to spirituality, and religion, its usually just whobla that id rather not include within my system of beliefs. we dont need to list the many innane beliefs within the history of spiritualism, and religion, that we now laugh at. some are good, ethical, and moral, but some can be left behind. i do still recognize good, bad, moral, ethical, etc... as still being subjective to each person. you shouldnt need me to type examples of what i mean by that. but back to the task at hand. dont wanna get to side tracked


No it doesn't seem you do understand "good, ethical, and moral" (as you know most of that goes out the window when you try to get involed with ritual magic, silly morals get in the way don't they)


And what you may see as innane beliefs may come from places far wiser than you,
so with your agenda it's not like you are equipted to judge,


if you admit to the fact that the way you have in your head to reach immortality

lol, not just in my head, I've seen the living proof first hand,


that you as of yet, have not told us even a smidget about, is not the only way to reach it, then it seems to negate your belief in ridding yourself of negative karma as the way to reach immortality. did you not say that reaching immortality deals heavy with karma, and the act of releasing yourself of "all" your negative karma? you did. moving on. so where are we now. your telling us that we have to relieve ourself of all of our negative karma in order to achieve this state of being,

Yes


but yet there are those that are more malevolent with there new found power. so what made them the exception, sir?


Again reread the post I have already written, (How can you comment on what I've written if you don't read anything?)


are you seeing the contradiction with what you have stated begining
to unfold? or is there something you are leaving out about this karma business? you should actually go read what you intially typed at the start of the thread, and notice how much sense it does not make. especially when you come in here spouting about this and that, like you have this uber theory for immortality and psychic powers, but yet you still have provided nothing. lets take a look at karma

Ironic,




the basic ETHICAL purpose of karma is to basically behave

No, not at all, it's all about "what goes around, comes around" you can misbehave all you want, you will just pay for it (or be rewarded) later,



but seeing as though good and bad deeds are within the eye of the beholder

That is your fatal flaw, no the universe is not amoral (like you) there is universal right and wrong





its all dependent on what you believe. if you believe that there is some god somewhere or some universal law that is so above us, that it has the right to tell us what we can and cannot do, then so be it, but its limiting to me. call me a rebel i guess. karma itself is believed differently within other spiritual groups, 2 b cont.

No God gives you freewill, (something scared and given at great cost) what you do with it is up to you,



the fact that good and bad are so subjective

No not subjective,



now do you understand why karma was created to control people. although its intent is good, its still limiting, and i dont like to be handicapped. its up to you to decide what you want to believe. i think ive typed enough for you to understand my point of view, and use what ive typed to solve any other pieces of the puzzle, that i may have not included. i formed that base, it should be no problem for you to build the fort now.

Karma was not "created" to control anyone, it is a basic function of how the universe works,
Cause and Effect, its that simple

you still have yet to drop any knowledge. what i have just done, is what you should have been doing. explaining yourself, sir.

No I don't have to explain myself to you, sorry,

you still have much more to learn. educate yourself some more before you start doin all this talkin.

lol, please, you would be one of the last people on this planet I'd take any sort of advice from,
it is you that is desperate need of an education


ritual magic explains alot? what does that mean. i have my reasons why, if you would like to debate the issue, id be more than happy to explain some of my beliefs. sepcifically when it comes to ritual magic. it is not my sole way of going about achieving things, but i do considerate it an easy way to begin to start the reprogramming. then from there, you move on. dont want rituals to be your handicap. anyways. just figured id address that real quick...
i think im done for now.

Now see, now why wouldn't you understand the connection?,

Those posts are the typical amoral reply you can expect to see from someone who mess's around with ritual magic,

Originally posted by HuntaXX

Originally posted by Dissension
*Yawn

Three days, and nothing but self-glorifying nonsence. We are still waiting to hear your theory. I'm starting to think that you're just some kid seeking attention. I apologise if I struck a nerve. That's not my intention. I just don't have much patience for weak-minded attention seekers. Sorry.

You are correct. its a very dull very pointless troll by a attention seeking teenager who seems to enjoy wasting peoples time

Hoo not again, can't you at least come up with something new?,

No, not a kid, not a teenager,

Now this proves just how very wrong you are in your assumptions doesn't it?

Originally posted by yeahright
~~Patience~~

The guy just posted last night. Never know what "issues" someone may have preventing them from posting. Look at it this way, if we become physically immortal, what's time to us?

On the other hand, I'd sure like to see some substance coming forth, myself.

Tick tock.

Thank You yeahright,
Yes big issues,

but i would like to know:

- how do you achieve immortally ( and please just explain it, i really don't want to ponder on useless thoughts)

They would look like useless information given to you as you are, "this is not something you can just buy of the shelf"

- how fast is the physic ability that you get, and how do you get it, what can you do.

Can take many years, they just come as you develope

- how old are you

30ish

- do you have family that is also immortal

No

- are people chosen to be immortal even if they fallow the karma stuff

You can reach it on your own, but most have a teacher

- how do you get rid of your negative karma, and how do you know if you have negative karma

Thats a hard one, most mortals have negative Karma, there are ways of speeding the karma and paying it off

- just tell us everything....

I'm here typing,

[edit on 22-5-2007 by Harper_]

so how about being our teacher

How about you clarify what type of immortality you actually are refering too. It seems your dont mean physical (though you say it also exists.)

Furthermore, how have you tested your immortality?

I have a family member who is very sick, has practised her own form of spiritualism and karma balance for decades and any information you have would be helpful.

I remain skeptical but receptive.

I like you Harper_. And being that I like you, I consider you a friend. Wheather that is reciprocated is a different story. I'm sure that you'll make a little sense as this thread grows.

Having said that, I would be a terrible friend if I didn't call you on your intentions for posting this. What is th purpose of this post? I'm sure that you're busy, but get to the point already. Apparently you are speaking on a different level than we are capable of understanding, or you lack the communication skills to get your point across.

So, I'll just keep reading and hope that someday I will understand what the heck you are trying to say. Peace Friend. I hope we cross paths in the next life.

Originally posted by ATSGUY
so how about being our teacher

I'm not going to be here that long, but what I will do is try and help you to start on that path

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
How about you clarify what type of immortality you actually are refering too. It seems your dont mean physical (though you say it also exists.)

Furthermore, how have you tested your immortality?

I have a family member who is very sick, has practised her own form of spiritualism and karma balance for decades and any information you have would be helpful.

I remain skeptical but receptive.

This is physical immortality,
it's not something you need to test, (there is proof)

I'm sorry about your family member, but this isn't some sort of miracle cure, and if you were lucky it would take about (on average) five to ten years to reach this state

I don't mind skeptical, just don't be rude

Originally posted by Dissension
I like you Harper_. And being that I like you, I consider you a friend. Wheather that is reciprocated is a different story. I'm sure that you'll make a little sense as this thread grows.

Having said that, I would be a terrible friend if I didn't call you on your intentions for posting this. What is th purpose of this post? I'm sure that you're busy, but get to the point already. Apparently you are speaking on a different level than we are capable of understanding, or you lack the communication skills to get your point across.

So, I'll just keep reading and hope that someday I will understand what the heck you are trying to say. Peace Friend. I hope we cross paths in the next life.

Another friend is always good

My purpose is complex and my own right now,

I am trying, but you are very right in thinking it is on another level, you need to become more subtle...less blatant,


you would learn faster with questions

[edit on 23-5-2007 by Harper_]

Originally posted by Dissension Peace Friend. I hope we cross paths in the next life.

I'm not coming back

Originally posted by Harper_

This is physical immortality,
it's not something you need to test, (there is proof)

Ok, so if it is physical immortality, how do you know you've reached this state without testing it? Is this just a live forever type of immortality? Do you get sick? Can you get hurt? Can you die from unnatural causes?

Again, if you dont test it, how do you know for sure?

I'm sorry about your family member, but this isn't some sort of miracle cure, and if you were lucky it would take about (on average) five to ten years to reach this state

tahts fine, im not looking for a miracle.

I don't mind skeptical, just don't be rude

Im not, im waiting for your reply, though you say your not comming back.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Originally posted by Harper_

This is physical immortality,
it's not something you need to test, (there is proof)

Ok, so if it is physical immortality, how do you know you've reached this state without testing it? Is this just a live forever type of immortality? Do you get sick? Can you get hurt? Can you die from unnatural causes?

Again, if you dont test it, how do you know for sure?

I'm sorry about your family member, but this isn't some sort of miracle cure, and if you were lucky it would take about (on average) five to ten years to reach this state

tahts fine, im not looking for a miracle.

I don't mind skeptical, just don't be rude

Im not, im waiting for your reply, though you say your not comming back.

Can you ask one question at a time,
(I won't be coming back to earth, that is, I still have at least four or five months here though)

Do you get sick?

You can do, but it's a lot less likely,


Can you get hurt?

Yes, but you would live through things that would kill most mortals


Can you die from unnatural causes?

It could be done, but you would be very harder to catch,
(think spidiey sense)

You don't need to test it, if you get there you would know what I mean,

I think posting a number of questions and having you answer is better. it creates less waste on this board and i think the mods might say something to that effect.

Just answer them one by one if need be.

What was the first stage you went through to reach this immortality?

Where should people start?

What if you are terminal? Can you still aspire to this state?

ive been waiting for this thread to get some life back in it.

Harper_ could you answer my questions from pg3???

you spoke of leaving earth in 4-5 months. are you transendening the material plane? or going to a different sector within our material world?

you say your 30ish, would you be the age of 32? i happen to know that the age of 32 is very a significant age in spiritual release.

Hey harper...well I know there's been people here attacking you and all, but that's the point of ats.. So all I want you to do is Please describe to us how we begin the process. Teach us how to start and on our own, through self discovery we will be able to reach this state.

It's a suggestion because the question answer isn't really getting us nowhere. With due respect of course. I have stories to tell about what i've gone through in the past year. So please share this information with us.

Thank you.

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
Who am I to know this? Who are you to tell me that this is so?
That's how I think...and that's why it's hard for me to fully believe in any one thing.

I haven't gotten past this part of the thread, but this came to me as an answer as clear as a bell in my head so I wanted to share it.

You are created in "God's" image, Godlike.
I am also created in that image and I am connected to you, therefore if we both understand this fundamental rule, we can get beyond the differences and help each other excel in this whole ordeal. And the only way to excel is truth, and of course there's always the element of faith mixed in there.

I think of some people could see the light in the darkness that's created by the thought pattern of being "isolated" and alone in this world, that the world would be a happier place. My thoughts and mental conditions DO affect those around me and are quite impactful to those I love and come home to.

Sorry for the rant, but I tried to get that out as clearly as I could as it was in my head.

EDIT: Also wanted to add that it's the belief above that helps me to believe in everything I see and it encourages me to seek out the truth in everything, even if it's going to hurt my pride or such.. If we can't learn to see ourselves for what we are, heh, well... you're going to lead a lonely life.

And now that I've finished the thread, I'd also like to ask what is the first step we take in the process of eliminating our bad karma? I am assuming that is the first step as you've stated that earlier.

[edit on 24-5-2007 by HaTaX]

assuming i know where and how this will operate within parameters of the mind and the unknown, ill state this.

since you have made conclusions to come here and have stated that you are waiting for progress to divulge your knowledge. what are the measures and insights you will be using to determine progress.

The way I think is alot diffirent to the way you all think,

for you to understand what I'm saying here you are going to have to become more subtle, and there are certain thing that would not make any sense to you (and would do more harm to your understanding than good) if I just blurted them out without you understanding some basic ground work,

Theres an old Chinese proverb "A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single footstep"



clearly you cannot teach a group people all at once, because progress is determined by the student not the teacher. so are you waiting to find a certain mind to step forward and make his/her nature apparent to you? or are you going to try to do the impossible and try to corral educate the masses?.

As some of you start to understand you will be able to help the others around you to understand,

some reading this will not understand in this life time



if you are considering(internally) that you are capable of handle and maintaining multiple students at once, i suggest you take a step back and become truly aware how frustrating your path will be. once again what/how are you defining progress? if you think your self to be capable, accurately define progress so that other may be able to grasp for goals. this is the internet the "melting pot of thought" this will be a large order to serve.

It's not that hard, some will get it, some won't,
I think the only frustration will be on the part of the people who will think I'm not moving fast enough for them, (you've got to get out of that way of thinking,)


on a side note:

i myself have searched for immortality a few years ago. whether i was successful or not is not something im aware of. im not to eager to test my success/failure, ill let fate be the test.

If you were you would not feel the need to test anything,
but that you search is a good sign



if you show promise i have a few (just a few) question ill ask you.

Shoot

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I think posting a number of questions and having you answer is better. it creates less waste on this board and i think the mods might say something to that effect.

Just answer them one by one if need be.

What was the first stage you went through to reach this immortality?

Where should people start?

What if you are terminal? Can you still aspire to this state?

Very good questions,

You can start by knowing this is real,

the rest I'll uncover as things progress, (soon)


Here is a question for you all,

How many of you understand Creative Visualization?
how it's done, how it works etc