Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

Originally posted by Debbie at Disclosure
We're working on it. It's hard to do this. To be sure to capture
everything on video, etc, we need to have at least 5 good cameras
pointing in all directions, the would be continuously recording for the
many hours we're out every night during our expeditions.

It's hard to get 5 good cameras to nightly events? Hahahaha, oh please, stop. My sides are bursting with giggles. Pointing in all directions in the HOPE that an ET might show up??? What happened to Greer being able to vector them in?

Debbie at Disclosure
These cameras would have to video tape in many parts of the spectrum as
well. We need a lot of other sensors to record as much as possible.
Right now we don't have the funding to do that, although we hope to be
able to do so. At this point we rely on the people attending the events
to bring their own cameras and we don't usual have events occur that are
easy to record.

Funding??? How much funding does an organisation need to purchase 5 cameras??? Come on! That reply from Debbie is as weak as the moth pictures that they posted.

Greer and his cult are fake.

[edit on 30-4-2007 by tezzajw]

Ok, so they dont have anything except the pictures shown here, and are now going to try to get 5 camera's to find ufo's? I thought they had proof allready, but after all this time are now going to try to get some pictures?

Edit: What bothers me the most is that the actualy believe the crap they showed is alien origin. Billy Meier did a better job years ago.

[edit on 30/4/2007 by Cygnific]

Now, this is why people need to sift through these fraudulent claims and ask questions. To weed out the con artists. It is so sad that so many people have been conned by TDP and CSETI. The responses almost clearly show that they couldn't care if disclosure happens - but would rather have people pay $800 - $30,000 to see UFOs and have the people attending record them with their cameras.

Those poor, poor witnesses.

Millerman - now can you see where WE are coming from??

Originally posted by kroms33
Now, this is why people need to sift through these fraudulent claims and ask questions. To weed out the con artists. It is so sad that so many people have been conned by TDP and CSETI. The responses almost clearly show that they couldn't care if disclosure happens - but would rather have people pay $800 - $30,000 to see UFOs and have the people attending record them with their cameras.

Those poor, poor witnesses.

Millerman - now can you see where WE are coming from??

I'd like to believe Greer, but that's pretty lame. If your entire mission is to convince people about UFO's then why not get some AV dude to volunteer his time to get some better evidence. Lord knows there is an AV person out there who is into UFO's and Dungeons and Dragons

I can understand that it's more complicated than just shooting standard footage, UFO's might be in different spectrums, etc... but in 15 years of doing this, did it ever occur to someone to attempt to perfect this process, particulary since most people don't believe this stuff?

It is possible that UFO don't materialize as we think since they operate at different frequencies/dimensions (whom am I kidding, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about!). Maybe getting legit pictures is really hard in the presence of UFO's, they do seem to mess up magnetic and eletrical devices and appear in wierd states, but if they are, then tell us and don't post moth pictures.

If they had better evidence, more people would follow thier work and as a result buy into his new age philosophy, which is actually a pretty cool philosophy (as long they don't start requiring the same haircuts and black nikes )

Part of me wants to think that Greer (assuming he's not taking the piss on us) is just too busy to worry about these types of details regarding his website, he's off talking to G8 people about the ultimate cable pay per view UFO extraveganza where he will vector a UFO for all to see at halftime of the UFC fight. But if he doesn't have enough time to at least work harder to convince the people on the street (us) who really spend the time to read through all his stuff, then how will he attain his goals of changing the world? Could he have pulled the wool over 400 witnesses who were so eager to get thier word out that they didn't care if he was a fake? The ATS Greer saga and debate continues.....

Are there any other UFO experts out there engaged in similar aggressive efforts that are worth following? I'd like to think there is some hope in my lifetime of getting some vindication via public disclosure for all the internet searching and reading I've done!!

Originally posted by kroms33
It is so sad that so many people have been conned by TDP and CSETI.

The Disclosure Project is a good idea, the problem is Steven Greer.

Looks like a flying bug to me. The whole rods thing is old news and discredited as well it should be. Everybody take a deep breath, exhale and have a sip of some fine brewed coffee. Now doesn't that feel better?

Originally posted by nbgoku
Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!
www.cseti.org...

Who is Steven M.?

Becoming famous on UFOs, aliens, making money on photos of other people's expensive aircrafts, spaceships.

What do aliens think of all this? There are so many secrets.

[edit on 1-5-2007 by I am you]

What? 5 cameras?

This makes like no sense. I watched one video where they talked about the fact that they got some funds so they could now sell the books, whatever at a cheap price (it was some conference or something).

I also sort of read between the lines that, atleast at one time, they had fundning from Rockerfel..

I don't get it. If like 5 cameras stood between me and being able to produce some amazing videos of ET crafts I'd like rob my grandma or who ever had the cash to do it. Seriously. Then again they'd prolly not show coz my carma was out of wack.

I wish I was rich, I'd go up to them and go "here you go, 5 cameras, 1M USD more if you get something really juicy on tape".

Gargh I can't stand the smell of BS.


[edit on 2-5-2007 by lasse]

There is always the possibilty that Greer has been "messed with" since the May 2001 press club event.

If only someone would bring all these witnesses together again and repeat what Greer tried to do only this time with real photographs and video.

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
There is always the possibilty that Greer has been "messed with" since the May 2001 press club event.

No, sorry. That's just not possible.

Who would mess with him? Show me the proof? Many people in this forum swear by the democracy and sanctity of the US Constitution and how it protects all citizens fairly and equally. So even the likes of Leader Greer should be protected from threats to him and his family. The USA.gov does not endorse assassination and always acts to protect the rights of its citizens, right? A piss-ant Cult Leader like Greer wouldn't be worth the trouble to even infiltrate.

If Greer is as determined as he seems to be to release evidence of Disclosure, then why would he so MEEKLY refuse to show the evidence that he has? He's a gutless wonder if a few telephone calls threaten him, his wife and his children.

If he is receiving death threats, then he can act accordingly, by the law and report it to the police. Has he ever done that?

Cult Greer releases NOTHING because it has NOTHING to release.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Who would mess with him? Show me the proof? Many people in this forum swear by the democracy and sanctity of the US Constitution and how it protects all citizens fairly and equally. So even the likes of Leader Greer should be protected from threats to him and his family. The USA.gov does not endorse assassination and always acts to protect the rights of its citizens, right?

LMAO!

So things like the JFK and MLK assassinations were just accidents I suppose? (Nevermind 9/11.....)

Do you seriously believe this myth, that "the government" and powers-that-be care more about the people than their own power struggles and agendas?

Cult Greer releases NOTHING because it has NOTHING to release.

No, I already told you, Greer does have footage, Debbie the CSETI webmaster has admitted this to me in email. You are wrong.

Originally posted by millerman

Cult Greer releases NOTHING because it has NOTHING to release.

No, I already told you, Greer does have footage, Debbie the CSETI webmaster has admitted this to me in email. You are wrong.

Leader Greer has footage, but he's not showing it = Leader Greer has no footage.

Originally posted by Alien42

Originally posted by c3hamby
except those people don't look or act like they are being swindled....

That is a good point, you would think that if he was lying, someone would have come forward by now.

But those pictures do look fake.

[edit on 4/20/2007 by Alien42]

They aren't fake , but just completely explainable . Not trying to put you
down or anything , but there's a big difference .. But Greer's credibility
is , how they say - KA-PUT !

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
There is always the possibilty that Greer has been "messed with" since the May 2001 press club event.

No, sorry. That's just not possible.

Who would mess with him? Show me the proof? Many people in this forum swear by the democracy and sanctity of the US Constitution and how it protects all citizens fairly and equally. So even the likes of Leader Greer should be protected from threats to him and his family. The USA.gov does not endorse assassination and always acts to protect the rights of its citizens, right? A piss-ant Cult Leader like Greer wouldn't be worth the trouble to even infiltrate.

If Greer is as determined as he seems to be to release evidence of Disclosure, then why would he so MEEKLY refuse to show the evidence that he has? He's a gutless wonder if a few telephone calls threaten him, his wife and his children.

If he is receiving death threats, then he can act accordingly, by the law and report it to the police. Has he ever done that?

Cult Greer releases NOTHING because it has NOTHING to release.

When I said "messed with" I meant his mind. The same way Colonel Halt believes that Larry Warren was. Does the mind control technology described in Greer's third book really exist?

Alternatively, Greer could well have had the lives of his family threatened by the organisation involved in the cover-up.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
There is always the possibilty that Greer has been "messed with" since the May 2001 press club event.

No, sorry. That's just not possible.

Who would mess with him? Show me the proof? Many people in this forum swear by the democracy and sanctity of the US Constitution and how it protects all citizens fairly and equally. So even the likes of Leader Greer should be protected from threats to him and his family. The USA.gov does not endorse assassination and always acts to protect the rights of its citizens, right? A piss-ant Cult Leader like Greer wouldn't be worth the trouble to even infiltrate.

If Greer is as determined as he seems to be to release evidence of Disclosure, then why would he so MEEKLY refuse to show the evidence that he has? He's a gutless wonder if a few telephone calls threaten him, his wife and his children.

If he is receiving death threats, then he can act accordingly, by the law and report it to the police. Has he ever done that?

Cult Greer releases NOTHING because it has NOTHING to release.

When I said "messed with" I meant his mind. The same way Colonel Halt believes that Larry Warren was. Does the mind control technology described in Greer's third book really exist?

Alternatively, Greer could well have had the lives of his family threatened by the organisation involved in the cover-up.

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey
Alternatively, Greer could well have had the lives of his family threatened by the organisation involved in the cover-up.

If that was the case surely he would have left the ufo field all together and gone back to medical work. If Greer had any world-shattering information which the powers that be didn't want the rest of us to learn Greer would not be around, and certainly not organising conferences. The reason why he is still around is because he has nothing.

And if you choose to believe that his family has been threatened in case he reveals anything then there is no point in listening to a word the man says as none of it will be true.

What's happened to the promised landing in the 'G7'(sic) country? Is Greer hoping we will forget he mentioned it? Time is ticking.

Any guesses as to what his excuse will be when the event doesn't occur? "The MIB/NWO intervened at the last minute, and we need more funds to organise another landing attempt next year," perhaps.

steven greer embarresses me and the ufo community.

Originally posted by SwingingMonkey

When I said "messed with" I meant his mind. The same way Colonel Halt believes that Larry Warren was. Does the mind control technology described in Greer's third book really exist?

Alternatively, Greer could well have had the lives of his family threatened by the organisation involved in the cover-up.

Dr Greer has stated that he has a quite extensive security coverage in place.

This is one reason that he is very public about this stuff, and this is how he was able to convince the military witnesses to come forward.

Part of it is sort of like Bob Lazar in that if anything did happen to Bob at this time, that would pretty much confirm what he is saying is true. It would be more dangerous for Lazar to stay in the shadows.

The other security detail Greer has mentioned in 'Hidden' is that there are several contact points that possess everything that Greer has on this subject, and if anything should happen to Greer, or had happened to any of the witnesses then all would be released, and this is his ace in the hole.

Let the disagreement and the name calling begin....

Originally posted by c3hamby
The other security detail Greer has mentioned in 'Hidden' is that there are several contact points that possess everything that Greer has on this subject, and if anything should happen to Greer, or had happened to any of the witnesses then all would be released, and this is his ace in the hole.

Why is the information hidden?

Greer is demanding disclosure from the government so why does he hide his information from the rest of us?

As with everything that comes out of the Greer camp it makes no sense. All these claims do is add to the evidence that the whole CSETI/Disclosure set up is a scam, a fraud.

Originally posted by kroms33
Now, this is why people need to sift through these fraudulent claims and ask questions. To weed out the con artists. It is so sad that so many people have been conned by TDP and CSETI. The responses almost clearly show that they couldn't care if disclosure happens - but would rather have people pay $800 - $30,000 to see UFOs and have the people attending record them with their cameras.

Those poor, poor witnesses.

Millerman - now can you see where WE are coming from??

Yes, it's really clear to see where you are coming from.

But I don't agree with you.

I also can't see any purpose in trying asking you to locate where those 'conned people are' since you don't ever address that question. And I'm not talking about people who simply read the book. I'm talking about people paid much more than that to go to the CSETI events. Where are they? As you have noted, it's somewhat expensive not including lodging and transportation. Somebody could get rather mad if Greer was only delivering moths.

You're asking Greer to offer proof, but you can't offer this simple proof.

And this should be enough.

However, I will be pleased to continue.

You guys are saying 5 different cameras as if all you have to do is go down to your local camera store-heck even a drug store and buy them.

But that's not what Debbie said.

She said:

Originally posted by Debbie at Disclosure

These cameras would have to video tape in many parts of the spectrum as well. We need a lot of other sensors to record as much as possible.
Right now we don't have the funding to do that, although we hope to be
able to do so. At this point we rely on the people attending the events
to bring their own cameras and we don't usual have events occur that are
easy to record.

So, no I don't see your point. Offer proof and then maybe we'll talk. Otherwise it's just speculation.

[edit on 29-5-2007 by c3hamby]