Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

--shots said--
I disagree and apparently so do Sharpton and others who are joining the band wagon to stop this kind of music.

Had you lived during an era where profanity was not allowed you could better understand how it can be better. Trust me it was.

Have you ever noticed how most violence is brought on by the use of profanity? Do not use it and talking civil will go a long way at least it did back in the 40s through the 60s and early 70s
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well, al sharpton and whoever others that are on this band wagon are not of the same opinion. i don't need anyone being the arbitor of what is too offensive to be heard. i'm an adult. i know how to not listen to things i don't like. i know how to censor things from my child that i don't want them to hear. i don't need/want anyone to do it for me.

talking civil went a long wau in the 40's through the 60's.
really? what with the nuclear detonations, viet nam war, civil rights movement, political assasination, MLK=dead, malcom x=dead, watts riots, charles whitman.....yeah, things really looked better.

gimmie a break. thats called being naieve. nobody has a gun to your head making you buy this cameron record. nobody makes you play it for your kids....
parental controls dude....find out what is on their ipod. use filters....spend 10 minutes a day actualy finding out whar is going on..

i don't need nore do i want blanket censorship across the board cause i am an adult and what the race pimp al sharpton feels is not acceptable may not be what i think is unnacceptable.
i like to use my own brain thank you.

I think shots meant how wholesome TV and radio were. No profanity, husbands and wives sleeping in different beds. No one kissing on the lips.

This was also the perfect way to ensure that the people didn't really know what was going on in the world, and allowed the average family to strive for themselves to live like Ozzy and Harriet.

I agree with Rasobasi & Infra_red. Honestly, where I live, I won't help the police do very much either. As for catching a serial killer...if it were family that has been murdered...I would speak anonymously, if it weren't family or close friends...I won't say sh!t.

Some of the people here are way too ignorant, blind & misinformed. You cannot use the statement made by Cam'ron as your general basis for what all rappers stand for.

Honestly speaking, there are more rappers that rap a positive message than a negative message. However, most of these good guys are not popular. The reason is because that doesn't sell. So some of you only know what you may see on MTV & BET...which is a very small percent of what's really out there.

And know this, I am certain if Cam'ron & they knew a serial killer, & knew that serial killer took the life of one of his friends or family memebers...they would quicker deal with the problem themselves.

You have to understand where this man is from & how things are done there. The same rules don't apply. Understand there is no justice, only a justice system, and that system only works for a selected few.

When I was younger I thought Country music was garbage. Boring, old garbage. Because I heard a few(very little) songs and made my decision.
I actually enjoy country music now because I know enough about it to make a comment about it.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Things were not that peaceful back then..that was just an ILLUSION due to censorship

Oh how wrong you are. Back then you had one beat cop walking beats everyone knew their cop by name. You cannot say the same now because you call the police and ten squad cars arrive with up to 20 cops if not more for just a family distrubance, back then one man handled the situation.



[edit on 4/30/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Things were not that peaceful back then..that was just an ILLUSION due to censorship

Oh how wrong you are. Back then you had one beat cop walking beats everyone knew their cop by name. You cannot say the same now because you call the police and ten suqad cars arrive for just a family distrubance back then one man handled the situation.

So what does that tell you? It tells me that the police no longer care about the community they are policing, and would rather drive around in their squad car, behind a pair of shades than speak to their neighborhood. Yet another example of failure and distrust on the part of the police.

Even then it was still not all that peaceful. If it were, there would be no need for the civil rights movement.

But honestly, do you think censorship will bring the beat cop back to neighborhoods? Do you think censorship will produce a more peaceful world, or just one where you don't see the bad stuff from your ivory tower?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
So what does that tell you? It tells me that the police no longer care about the community they are policing, and would rather drive around in their squad car,

Well that may be your impression but to me it means that cities are more violent and need more police to handle situations then they used to.

Do you think censorship will produce a more peaceful world, or just one where you don't see the bad stuff from your ivory tower?

You are throwing the word censorship around far to much it is not about censorship per say it is about developing morals where people will not care for the music. You like it that is fine, but others do not and now that includes the NAACP as well as others. If they can see the problem the music is or has caused why can't you?

shots, I think you're fighting an argument that has no real chance of changing anything.

Censorship is not going to do a thing. Maybe worsen the situation. I initially started elaborating on what I am saying here & I accidentally hit the Back button on Explorer and I'm re-typing this to state one thing only. Money comes before freedom of speech and cencorship.

It makes too much money for it to be censored. If it were censored the way they want it to be...they would have alot of problems on thier hands.

Russell however disappointed me with his statements. Why limit what someone is saying, when you're already censoring what their saying.

If you want rappers to bring a positive message Russell...sign those thousand of undergound rappers who do it in almost every rhyme they make. But ofcourse he won't do that...'cause that just won't sell records.
Money comes first where we live.

"Problem the music has caused".

The only problem is caused by stupid people.

I agree with you one 1 thing though. Police are afraid to even patrol certain areas because of the violence. This is true. Sadly true.

But don't speak as if the(which ever music you're refering to) music is bad music. I hate mainstream Hip Hop, but I do not hate Hip Hop.

The people you speak of that dislike the music, you count them as numbers that actually matter. They are a small fraction of people/groups who think the music needs to be stopped.

Main stream Hip Hop sucks(in my point of view) because they cater to what sells. What people like. People like that gangsta, stunna, bling bling, grill & wood grain crap...so they give that to them. That's why many of the underground artists with much more lyrical talent will never make it big, because they prefer to rap about things of value. Some may have to sell themselves out to get mainstream, because most underground rappers have day jobs & they're not getting paid to do what they like to do. Some continue doing it despite what they have to bare for the love of it, others sell themselves short(or long, however you want to look at it) because of the love of other things.

So, now that we're considering the majority & not the minority...the minority of people who do not like the music needs to be pushed aside(just like these underground rappers) because their opinion does not matter. Because the majority of businessmen are making major sums of cash by selling to the majority of of people who like the trash.

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
shots, I think you're fighting an argument that has no real chance of changing anything.

How many times have we all heard that? Far too many as far as I am concerned. At one time many used vulgar words when refering to some cultures, now those very words can get you fired if you say them in the work place, so don't tell me it can not or will not change because it already has, too bad you cannot see it :shk:

Originally posted by shots

Do you think censorship will produce a more peaceful world, or just one where you don't see the bad stuff from your ivory tower?

You are throwing the word censorship around far to much it is not about censorship per say it is about developing morals where people will not care for the music. You like it that is fine, but others do not and now that includes the NAACP as well as others. If they can see the problem the music is or has caused why can't you?

Developing morals through governmental and corporate editing? That's censorship. A rose by any other name shots, in this case, a turd by any other name will still smell as foul.

And that last line (the bold part), Just because the NAACP thinks something is true doesn't mean it's a blanket belief by all black people. Maybe that's not exactly what you meant, but it sure sounded like it.

And you seem to think that it's a life imitating art scenario. It's quite the opposite.

I'll also remind you that the moment you decide to add one word to the censor list, another word will pop up with the same meaning to replace it. My favorite example is that whole skeet thing. I guarantee you have no idea what it means, but it's about as bad as most words can get. Language changes faster than censors can keep up, which is a good thing in my book.

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You're missing my point shots

Okay, let's say they censor everything that we shouldn't hear(like you said, people's morals need to change)...so...has anything really changed?!?

The way you want it, you'll never get it. We will never be censored to the degree that you feel we should be.

The day that happens, the world will be a terrible place. And not because of the fact that we can't speak...but because of the fact that we can act.

You're fighting a point that isn't going to change.
Mind control is not a question yet...so how will this censorship come about?

People love freedom, in all sense. They will not allow themselves to be censored or their idea of freedom taken away or controlled to the degree that you speak of, and if they are being pushed too hard, they will push back...and that's never fun.

[edit on 30-4-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Developing morals through governmental and corporate editing? That's censorship. A rose by any other name shots,

Well you are certainly allowed to your opinion however I do not consider having good morals as a form of censorship as you do. Scratches head wondering what ever happen to the parents that washed kids mouths out with soap That worked real fast try it some time.

And that last line (the bold part), Just because the NAACP thinks something is true doesn't mean it's a blanket belief by all black people. Maybe that's not exactly what you meant, but it sure sounded like it.

so are you saying the NAACP does not mean anything to the MAJORITY OF the African American Community? I am willing to bet many would disagree with you.


I know you like hip hop or whatever you care to call it which is fine, but you really should think about the corruption the music is promoting within the African American communities rather then the money it puts in your pocket.

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
The way you want it, you'll never get it. We will never be censored to the degree that you feel we should be.

I would not be so sure about that. Changing a few laws about the use of profanity could work wonders.

Just last year they had a freedom of speech issue regarding a nudist on the east coast , the judge ruled in her favor then they changed their laws and poof she could no longer do it as she was, so again never say anything is impossible because in most cases it is possible.

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Originally posted by shots
Well you are certainly allowed to your opinion however I do not consider having good morals as a form of censorship as you do. Scratches head wondering what ever happen to the parents that washed kids mouths out with soap

That worked real fast try it some time.

Do you understand that the government is not our parent? Parents instilling morals is one thing, governments doing it is quite another.

so are you saying the NAACP does not mean anything to the MAJORITY OF the African American Community? I am willing to bet many would disagree with you.

If you read what I said, I said that they do not speak for all black people, and assuming that their opinion is the standard for anyone black is a silly thing to do.

I know you like hip hop or whatever you care to call it which is fine, but you really should think about the corruption the music is promoting within the African American communities rather then the money it puts in your pocket.

Blaming the music for corruption is pretty short sighted, and another example of questionable cause.

I'll post again

This fallacy has the following general form:

1. A and B are associated on a regular basis.
2. Therefore A is the cause of B.

The general idea behind this fallacy is that it is an error in reasoning to conclude that one thing causes another simply because the two are associated on a regular basis. More formally, this fallacy is committed when it is concluded that A is the cause of B simply because they are associated on a regular basis. The error being made is that a causal conclusion is being drawn from inadequate evidence.

All I got to say is,

Let the cereal killers cause them to rethink they're moronic situations of lyrics.

Mainstream hip hop is WWF for the urban crowd.

nothing more then Soap opera with guns, drugs, Hoes, and money. kinda like our Government but less PC.

Try some underground sheet, space raps, Bionic oldsmobile.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I'll post again

You can post that questionable cause all you want. That will not change the fact the key groups and members of the African American comunity are now speaking out against hip hop and you will not change that.

Oh no a bunch of people I dont care about are speaking out against Hip Hop.

oh no whatever will the rappers do?

They might as well just quit making money just becausew people dont like their

music.

Originally posted by shots

You can post that questionable cause all you want. That will not change the fact the key groups and members of the African American comunity are now speaking out against hip hop and you will not change that.

You're right, I can't change that a lot of people are making these claims. What I can do is point out the flawed logic that they use. And, I'll also point out your latest bit of flawed logic

Appeal to popularity

The Appeal to Popularity has the following form:

1. Most people approve of X (have favorable emotions towards X).
2. Therefore X is true.

The basic idea is that a claim is accepted as being true simply because most people are favorably inclined towards the claim. More formally, the fact that most people have favorable emotions associated with the claim is substituted in place of actual evidence for the claim. A person falls prey to this fallacy if he accepts a claim as being true simply because most other people approve of the claim.

people are in our community are speaking out against hip hop because due to other groups ar streotyping us. But do you really think the NAACP, al sharpton, russel simmons have enough pull to completely censor music? NO They have been trying to do this for a while its just not until recently that the mainstream media cares due to the imus thing.
Be an adult..Think for yourself. If you think its crap why the HELL are you listening to it..turn the channel. Thats what i do when i see/hear some mess that i dont like.If that is too hard or you to due then you should be allowed ro watch tv, or buy cds by yourself..bcause obviously you have some issues with thinking for yourself and need to get that checked out.
Still no one has addressed the fact that censorship will NOT harm hip hop. Censor it all you want you'll just make the music 10x more popular

Be a patriot, turn in your neighbor!!! NWO 4 LIFE!!!

On a serious note, Cam'ron is a creep. I like his musical style but saw him getting interviewed by a female VJ and he really gave the impression of a rapist. There's flirting and then there's Cam'ron.

Someone needs to tell him and his crew pink (pink panther pink is what they wear) shirts and clothes are not cool. Dip Set, more like dip sh!#.
Maybe Suge Knight will kill him for them shooting him in the leg.