Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

I think this is the first time that i have really been rattled by a school shoting. I go to the university of florida (1st year) and i fell like...it could have easily happened on my campus. I wonder what set him off.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
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You've got to be joking right. Now i understand that there have been some real conspiracies that this government has been involved in but I HIGHLY doubt a school shooting is part of the 'NWO agenda' and to say that it is, instead of offering condolences to the families is just unthoughtful at best.

So, you don't think that the NWO wants to disarm the populace,eh?

If, and that's a big if, this is linked to terrorism I think it will be more along the lines of a sympathizer and not an actual "terrorist" perse. A sympathizer could be an even more powerful tool to further brainwash and program. Yes it's speculation, but that's what I'm a doctor of.

By the way, have any of you checked out the Pringle's thread yet?

Peace

edit: And don't think I don't feel for the victims here, I honestly do. It's very possible that their deaths may serve to fuel a more nefarious purpose.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by Dr Love
If, and that's a big if, this is linked to terrorism I think it will be more along the lines of a sympathizer and not an actual "terrorist" perse. A sympathizer could be an even more powerful tool to further brainwash and program. Yes it's speculation, but that's what I'm a doctor of.

You never know,
A sympathizer could be a possible. Especially if the Campus has recieved bomb threats in the past.

I think it's extremely sad when this crap happens. There's no words for how I feel.

If someone don't like life then take your own and leave everyone else alone period. You do not have the right to take someone elses life!

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

So, you don't think that the NWO wants to disarm the populace,eh?

I did not say that...but it is my opinion that this has to do with the personal problems of the shooter rather that a huge government tied conspiracy. I dont mind if people believe that this is a conspiracy BUT why was that the first thing the poster have to write. Save that for 2morrow. Now is the time, regardless why you feel this happened to focus on the victims..but of course this is all my opinon.

There is nothing bizarre about this. A stupid kid killed a bunch of others. You know, you can't really blame the gun laws - if some of those other students were carrying guns too, the gunmen probably never would have tried it in the first place.

Why is everybody freaking out about this? Holy crap, this is getting more attention than when the terrorists bombed the parliament of Iraq.

MILLIONS of Iraqis have died in Iraq, yet if I mention one word that I believe that to be of more significance than what has happened in the school, people are getting out their guns trying to shoot me.

Yes, I know it's the deadliest shooting at a school in American history, but seriously, this is madness. Isn't this what the terrorists/NWO WANT? For us to go around like chickens without heads and panic at this?

Again

Gun control debate please go to

www.abovepolitics.com...

for media and violent games

www.abovepolitics.com...

Keep this for news and analysis and questions.

For the NWO link, go to the NWO section and create a thread regarding it Seeings I am the FSME over there, I may even start of a discussion so it doesn't derail this thread.

I am hearing the news confference on the VA tech..My God..the first shooting was very earlier...the guy that kill walk away the building..the police and University the guy was out and going from the campus and they think the campus was safe?? WTFK!!...now if this statment the guys there in this conference is truth..means they just do a very poor job of manning this situation, the VA university and the police that arrive on the first crime scene to say the gunman its gone out from the school....they should lock down..or call the students tru the voice system to let them out because of wha happen, they didnt do a thing has far i can see..they said they send stuff to inform..but if this was true any good student in their common sense would go out from the school and not stay there..

What i think that the VA university and Police could have done more and maybe stop the next killings...but has i can see they did a very poor job....this is sad..

Press Conference Info

-State of Emergency declared
-FBI, ATF, Va State Police among agencies helping
-Did not lock down campus because they thought the shooter was off campus
-no release of names pending next of kin notification
- No police shootout with the gunman
-gunman killed himself in the Norris building
-Multiple murder scenes within the Norris building
-No information released about the guns
-Identification of the shooter unknown at this time
-still unsure if both shootings were the responsibility of one person
-2 deceased from first shooting in dorm room one male/one female, remainder of deceased from the second incident at Norris Hall
-no breakdown of student/faculty victims
-students who jumped out of windows are included in the victim numbers
-Some victims bodies remain in Norris Hall

Just some points I got from the presser.

Now 33 deceased including gunman



[edit on 2007/4/16 by JacKatMtn]

First why are people trying to connet this with terrorism/nwo did i miss something?

Second the Iraqi thing recieved ALOT of attention but you have to think Iraq is a WAR ZONE regardless of that little green area. so if people get bombed in Iraq , even if it happens in a very unlikely place such as the parliament, it is not surpising (though tragic). BUT when i happenes on a COLLEGE CAMPUS and it becomes the highest school shooting deathtoll of course that going to get more coverage

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
Why is everybody freaking out about this? Holy crap, this is getting more attention than when the terrorists bombed the parliament of Iraq.

Because this happened in Americas back yard. I am not downplaying Iraq but when it is younger people at school it has a more impact on the everyday american. This is a sad incident that people are worried about cause it could have happened anywhere in the country and it is extemely suprising.

I have just created a thread in the NWO section regarding this

school shootings

Please add NWO links to that thread, keep this as discussion regarding the news not conspiracy links

others:

Gun control debate please go to

www.abovepolitics.com...

for media and violent games

www.abovepolitics.com...

Keep this for news and analysis and questions.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by infinite]

People are just overreacting. I mean, a state of emergency? For one person shooting 32 people? It's not like there's going to be hundreds more just randomly shooting up our schools.

I mean, I think what annoys me the most is just how much panic there is. We should feel sad for those who have died, not going around threatening to kill whoever doesn't feel sad.

Originally posted by eagle32


I was just throwing out a random situation.
I cant have a gun, i can NOT kill an intruder despite what you claim, if i did then i would be locked up.
There was a famous case here where a farmer shot an intruder with a shotgun (licensed) and was sent straight to jail.
I dont know what countries law you are thinking of but in Britain there is no justifying shooting anyone for any situation unless you are licensed to do so as an armed officer. (not including war situations).
This is simple fact.
If the saviour had a licensed gun he would still be at fault.
Unlike the U.S a guy like me cant go just get a gun license and have firearms, otherwise everyone would do it with half a chance.

You can't have a gun? Why what have you done in your past? Must be a bad lad, I know people with previous convictions for ABH who now hold guns. Only those who are unstable or have served 3 years in jail can never have a gun. Everyone else has just to meet the criteria.

The famous case you cite (incorrectly) involved a farmer with an unlicenced shotgun (also a section 5(?) weapon as it was 5 shot). He'd lost his licence for shooting at people's dogs previously. He booby trapped the house, lay in wait, shot twice, executing the burglar when he clearly posed no threat and couldn't prove self-defence - a bad example to choose.

Better example to cite

news.bbc.co.uk... - stabbing someone 7 times and cutting their throat CAN be justified

There was also the pensioner who shot dead a bloke who was banging on his door with an airgun (ie must be over-powered) and walked free, and the guy who shot & killed the guy on his doorstep with a spear gun, again acquitted - both these used and proved self-defence but I can't find those stories online.

Kenneth Noye stabbed and killed an undercover copper in his garden, claimed self-defence and was acquitted.

A friend of mine was sitting in his house with guns locked and loaded as a burglar 'had something long in his arm' while in his garden, phoned plod and only put the guns away when the blue lights showed up - again no issue.

There are loads more examples

The official line:

www.cps.gov.uk...

A legal interpretation:

www.bsdgb.co.uk...

Confirmation of what I said about reasonable force and what I say about Tony Martin:

ttp://www.medical-journals.com/r04_0911.htm

The use of force in self-defence in the UK is based on your perception of the threat at the time, if you can prove you believed at the time he was armed and you had access to a firearm then deadly force is justified as long as it can be considered 'reasonable'(assuming there's no alternative to prevent bodily harm).

If the perp has a knife or gun then an armed response certainly could be considered reasonable.

These rules apply to everyone: the police, the forces (HINT - that's why they say 'stop or you will be shot' it shows shooting was a last resort response to prevent harm) and householders .

The licenced-gun holder would not be 'at fault' unless the self-defence defence was proved to be false.

There is an issue with intent in that you'd need to unlock / load your gun (ie you could have used that time to escape) but that's a technicality and depends on the layout of the property etc

Those are the simple facts, mate.

You're just plain wrong as a short google search / those links will tell you.

Why don't you look into UK firearms law before posting?, this took me 10 minutes to put together.

A little research would help you understand your rights rather than just posting false info and thinking you have none

33 dead now

*sighs*

Police don't know if the shooter was a student

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
Why is everybody freaking out about this? Holy crap, this is getting more attention than when the terrorists bombed the parliament of Iraq.

MILLIONS of Iraqis have died in Iraq, yet if I mention one word that I believe that to be of more significance than what has happened in the school, people are getting out their guns trying to shoot me.

Yes, I know it's the deadliest shooting at a school in American history, but seriously, this is madness. Isn't this what the terrorists/NWO WANT? For us to go around like chickens without heads and panic at this?

Nobody is 'freaking out' it is just sad and many people want to share their feelings and views.

Iraq has nothing to do with this, because Iraqis die frequently in a war does that mean that nobody should be saddened by this situation.

So even if it is what the NWO want, this is to do with deaths of 31 students.
Are we supposed to just say 'oh well, doesnt compare to Iraq deaths and NWO want this so we wont feel sad for the familys of the dead'

Im not going off topic here, instead i am securing the topic by saying all it boils down to is that this is a thread for people to express their sadness and no matter what anyone may think, what agendas and political points, no matter what conspiracy theories may arise, it doesnt deter from the fact that 31 students where killed in cold blood.

Number of deaths is accurate at time of writing this post.

I hate to bring this up on this tragic event. But don't be surprised if you see the people in D.C. try to slip a write on added to a bill while the press in busy covering this story? Be vigilant people watch the slight of hand trick by our leaders.

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
People are just overreacting. I mean, a state of emergency? For one person shooting 32 people? It's not like there's going to be hundreds more just randomly shooting up our schools.

I think that has more to do with who has control during this disater and how to properly help the ictims rathr that telling people to be scared or on the lookoutState Of Emergency