The Growing White House Email Conspiracy

1. It would appear that our government is more concrned about its citizens finding out what they are doing than the 'terrorist.' Putting these orders and debating govt business on unsecure servers is, well, unsecure. They have paid lip service to National Security but their actions speak louder than their pathetic rhetoric.

2. It has been one thing after another since day one of this administration and yet as their time in office slips ceaselessly thought the hour glass it look more and more that they will never be held accountable for anything.

3. They have broken innumerable laws, failed their country miserably and most likely compromised Americas safety for the forseeable future and yet they are free and clear?

4. Having lived through Watergate and the Iran-Contra scandel it is obvious to me that these criminals represent the worst excuse for public servants ever.

5. The only meaningful resolution to this debacle is to try the lot of them for war crimes and failure to fulfill their oaths of office and carry out the US Constitution.

Originally posted by frayed1
If it wasn't a crime......Why, oh why all the kicking and screaming.....just come right out with the answer when first questioned, and then there'd be absolutely no need to destroy (or try to ) the related e-mails.

In fact, wouldn't the e-mails be the very proof they needed to prove that all was above board. if indeed it was??

They shouldn't have to answer in the first place though. It's the President's perogative to fire them whenever he sees fit. He doesn't have to jump through hoops to do it. This is just another attempt at mudslinging.

Originally posted by BlueTriangle
It's the President's perogative to fire them whenever he sees fit. He doesn't have to jump through hoops to do it. This is just another attempt at mudslinging.

There's plenty of mud slung about from all sides lately.

However, if this were the case, pure "presidential prerogative," then there would be no investigation into the rationale of the firings. As it is, it appears as though the decision about the people fired was politically based, decided by political advisors -- not a policy or performance decision. Thus creating the muddy water from which mud is slung.

As a computer tech, I doubt I'll be saying anything everyone doesn't already know..

The "data loss" happened in one of the following two ways:

1)Servers are set up to abide by regulations set forth by the company, in this case, the government of the United States of America. The person setting up this e-mail server would have set up the server with fear of messing up innate details. Obviously, he/she didn't follow the regulations, the regulations given to him listed 30 days, or they weren't given to him at all, leaving him to just default all settings like automatic deletion. I'm pretty sure someone noticed in less than six years, that 30 day old e-mails were deleting themselves. I get people daily stating their e-mails are missing.. Doesn't take much to restore them. There is a possibility this information is still mostly retrievable, becoming more sketchy during older e-mails.

2) Data doesn't just go missing. Computers (at least what we're referring to at the moment) can only do what the users tell them to. There are severe cases related to hardware failure, but anything other than complete and utter physical obliteration of the hard drive will be mostly recoverable. That is, unless the data is constantly written over in attempts to make it irretrievable. (I work for a company who sometimes deals with government information. All requested data gets nuked by a program whose sole purpose to make data impossible to recover by writing binary code to each sector repeatedly.. Just deleting the file, there will be scratches on the disc left by the plotter. It takes many, many, many of these over-writes to completely destroy data.) If it was purposely removed, there is absolutely no chance we'll ever know what any of them said.



I can go into detail about any subject any person wishes to discuss about either situation if you don't understand how/why. While the methods may not have been 100% accurate, this will give an idea of what the data recovery company will most likely have as an outcome in either possible sceanario.

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hrm...

Blackberrys Go 'Bye-Bye' Overnight

The wireless world was shocked overnight when Blackberry users suffered a blackout affecting all 8 million North American subscribers.
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Blackberry addicts are known as 'crackberries' with Karl Rove being one well-known example. Karl Rove is said to be so addicted to his unit that he sleeps with it in his bed at night.

Anyone else see an odd coincidence here?

High profile government lost-email problem...
Much of that email was sent using a Blackberry...
At the height of the process "looking" for lost email, RIM servers go down...
and... the source of the outage is still unknown...

Here’s what probably caused the BlackBerry outage

While it's not known for sure what caused RIM's outage, it's not difficult to see how the very nature of RIM's network could potentially lead to a major service outage. RIM's service is centralized and it works by routing all BlackBerry e-mails through one of two main NOCs, which are essentially large data centers. One NOC is located in Canada and it primarily services the Western Hemisphere as well as parts of Asia, said analysts familiar with the company. The other data center, located in the U.K., handles e-mail traffic in Europe, Africa and the Middle East.

Now... a good conspiracy theorist would look at this coincidence with a rather curious eye... don't you think?

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Now... a good conspiracy theorist would look at this coincidence with a rather curious eye... don't you think?

Yes I do.

And don't forget, as tragic as the VT Shooting was, it also delayed A. Gonzalez from testifying.

Curiouser and curiouser... :shk:

Several different possibilities DO come to mind:

a. We could have witnessed an espionage agency's "field test" of a new tactic.

b. This could have been an asymetric warfare excersize conducted by the Pentagon.

c. It may have been a field test for "somebody's" black project.

d. Corporate warfare is not out of the question.

e. It could have been a grandstanding hacker or group of specialists doing it "just because they can."

f. Perhaps an intelligence agency was reacting to chase down dome fast moving data?

g. It may have been a terrorist attack.

h. Perhaps Karl Rove was testing a few of his...options.

i. Could be an extraterrestrial AI attack.

j. It may be the end result of a successful counter intelligence operation.

I've got a few more ideas, but I'll keep those to myself.

I am just posting some news items concerning the missing emails, this one is a transcript of the 17APR07 WH presser with Dana Perino:

LINK

Q Can you give us an update on the emails from the RNC side and the White House side? Last week we talked about the organization, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a figure of 5 million missing emails. You had mentioned in the gaggle you thought - you would check with the Office of Administration and perhaps that wasn't correct.

MS. PERINO: Look, the left-wing group, CREW, came up with a number of 5 million. We don't know where they came up with that number. We've told you what we know, which is that we are aware that there could have been some emails that were not automatically archived because of a technical issue. And we have talked with the Office of Administration about that, and we're looking into those details. But given the complex nature of this issue, it might take us a little while to identify those. We do, however, know that most - all of those emails should be available on backup tapes. And so we'll continue to look at it. This is separate from the RNC accounts, and as soon as we have more information, we'll provide it.

Q Are you confident they're on backup tapes, or you're still in that phase of investigating?

MS. PERINO: There should be, and we just want to make sure that there are all of them. And, remember, there's a huge amount of email that comes in and out of the White House. And it's quite a feat for the IT folks to be able to keep up with software upgrades and storage and the amount of - just the amount of traffic that's coming in and out on emails. On any given year, I think I've read upwards of 50 million emails are sent and received, not to mention forwarded or copied or blind copied, or all of those different features that you can use with email. So it's a massive number.

Q And what was the agreement between the White House Counsel and members of Congress regarding an independent investigator, computer IT?

MS. PERINO: Sure, that was regarding a separate issue, which is on the small number of people that have access to RNC-hosted email accounts, based on the job description that they have in order for them to avoid violating the Hatch Act. And the agreement that we came to was - was suggested by Senator Leahy and Senator Specter, I believe, in which they said, why don't we work together to see if there's an outside consultant, forensics consultant that can help us identify if there are any potentially lost emails. Fred Fielding and the rest of the White House thought that was a reasonable idea. And so Fred Fielding and the Senator spoke on Friday, and their staffs are going to meet today to talk about how to move that process forward.

Q Is there any sense of a timetable, when you might have some more details? ¶ MS. PERINO: No.

Q Weeks or days?

MS. PERINO: I don't know. I'm not going to put a date on it.

This one is a report from WSWS a socialist website:

Will White House sacrifice Gonzales to save Rove?

A total of 50 White House staffers, including Rove, used the RNC email system to evade legal requirements for document retention and avoid having to turn over materials for congressional or other investigations. According to press accounts, the RNC’s “document retention” policy was to erase all emails after 30 days, including erasing the backup record on servers, something which would only be done for the purpose of destroying evidence.

This policy was only altered in 2004, after special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, investigating Rove’s role in the exposure of CIA covert agent Valerie Plame Wilson, sought records of both White House and RNC correspondence. The RNC then began to permit, but not require, the indefinite retention of emails sent and received by Bush administration officials using party accounts.

However, according to press accounts over the weekend, Rove continued to personally erase his own RNC emails, and in 2005 the RNC issued a special addendum to its email policy, applying to Rove alone, preventing him from making further erasures. This policy change was described in an interview by RNC attorney Rob Kelner with the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

This last link is to a press release from Mimosa systems, promoting email archival system, just adding this to see if this company is awarded a new government contract in the future. White House Email Losses Prove Importance of Email Archiving Solutions
This could be nothing but a company trying to improve their business.

ROVE Watch: He was at a GOP event in Ohio

Rove rallies GOP at Tuscarawas County event






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Those of you who may have seen the Gonzelez hearings today will know that they were a non-even. Even I was disappointed, and that's hard to do. What did they expect from such a scripted moment? Somehow, I don't think that Alberto is at risk of losing his job.

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
Those of you who may have seen the Gonzelez hearings today will know that they were a non-even. Even I was disappointed, and that's hard to do. What did they expect from such a scripted moment? Somehow, I don't think that Alberto is at risk of losing his job.

I watched it for the most part.When the one senator started talking about online gambling I turned it off.I failed to see what that had to do with the firing of the attorneys.The last senator I watched seemed to me like he was doing nothing but pitching his campaign you might say.But again I didn't finish watching it.

I did however have my spirit's lifted for a brief moment when the senator before Whitehorse..Whitehouse??(forgive me I've always had trouble remembering names)Said he felt the only solution was for the AG to hand in his resignation.

It did have the same air to me as the 911 commision except for there wasn't all the smiling and grinning today.Just seemed like nothing more than a show for us to make it look like something was being done.

I have the feeling it'll be the same over these emails.

That one one very long hearing. They should have him back one more time, at the very least. I had the destinct impression that when the Republicans weren't busy pulling their p-punches, the Dems were distracted as if they had other things on their minds.

It looks like some are not too happy with Gonzales's testimony yesterday and say he is "going down in flames".

The sources, involved in administration discussions about Gonzales, told White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux that two senior level White House aides who heard the testimony described Gonzales as "going down in flames," "not doing himself any favors," and "predictable."

www.cnn.com...

I think this is all just window dressing myself. Gonzales is done for and the lost emails are a side effect that will probably not be acted on because as SO said both parties are probably guilty of the same thing.

I think the real conspiracy is the firing of the prosecutors and its purpose. I think the firings were due to disappointment after the last election, and the replacements were to help disenfranchise democratic votes in the next election. Having the right people in key positions is the key on how the elections went in 2000 and 2004. They are trying to set things up for the next election.

I watched the hearings, and I'll be interested to see if they ask the special prosecutor to prepare charges. If he's not actually charged with anything, Alberto will stay. At best, he will get "scootered." They might convict on purgery, but they won't get him on anything else.

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
e. It could have been a grandstanding hacker or group of specialists doing it "just because they can."

I highly doubt this one, for one simple reason - Hackers, by and large, like to display their own work. We would've gotten something from them if this had been done by black hat hackers.

Similarily, if this had been a white hat hacker stunt (which sort of contradicts what white hat hackers stand for, at least), we would've also heard about it.

This was an inside job, pure and simple, I do think.

As a dark master of American politics, I can see that "M.C. Rove" had a hand in this. I'm not saying that I have given this kind of advice, and I'm not saying that I have not. Some times, the only cure for what ails your candidate is a good old fashioned records scrub.

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
As a dark master of American politics, I can see that "M.C. Rove" had a hand in this. I'm not saying that I have given this kind of advice, and I'm not saying that I have not. Some times, the only cure for what ails your candidate is a good old fashioned records scrub.

Well of course. All you really have to do is see who stands to gain from this and the answer becomes clear.

All of this merely serves to underscore my central thesis that political power is slowly being gathered under one single authority. From where I sit, this is the most real of real conspiracies.

Originally posted by whaaa
10 bucks says that the reason for the email deletion was "classified for homeland security reasons" and the patriot act will be used as the justification.

Thanks SO!!

very possible

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
All of this merely serves to underscore my central thesis that political power is slowly being gathered under one single authority. From where I sit, this is the most real of real conspiracies.

huh i totally agree

Originally posted by Justin Oldham
Several different possibilities DO come to mind:

a. We could have witnessed an espionage agency's "field test" of a new tactic.

b. This could have been an asymetric warfare excersize conducted by the Pentagon.

c. It may have been a field test for "somebody's" black project.

d. Corporate warfare is not out of the question.

e. It could have been a grandstanding hacker or group of specialists doing it "just because they can."

f. Perhaps an intelligence agency was reacting to chase down dome fast moving data?

g. It may have been a terrorist attack.

h. Perhaps Karl Rove was testing a few of his...options.

i. Could be an extraterrestrial AI attack.

j. It may be the end result of a successful counter intelligence operation.

I've got a few more ideas, but I'll keep those to myself.

An extraterrestrial AI attack? Like Alien electronic warfare? lol
Im not sure about that



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