Billy Meier UFO Contact Hoax: Discussion

Originally posted by schuyler

You gotta love it. You forgot some, though. Well, left some out, maybe:

Reptilian aliens are eating humans in underground bases.

If I said this, and I don't recall doing so, I am hereby retracting this statement. I think the reps are goods guys, or at least not hostile. Or at least not hostile to most of us. Or at least not intentionally hostile.

There was a secret exchange program on Zeta Reticuli.

It was not an exchange. We visited them.

The moon has a giant tower that serves as a soul catcher between incarnations.
You saw Bob Lazar's MIT degree.
Venus has an atmosphere much like ours with a highly developed civilization.
Saturn and Jupiter aren't gas bags, but are normal planets like earth that support civilizations.
George Adamski was right.

See what I mean here?

Yep, I stand by those.

Now theres an interesting sentence. "This thread is not advancing the state of the art." What art would that be Schuyler?

My take on this is hoaxes such as the Meier hoax serve to distract energy and attention away from the main issue. They also tend to make a laughingstock of the entire UFO issue, especially as far as the public is concerned. The more outrageous, the better. Every time someone or something is nailed as a hoax: Lazar, serpo, Burisch, Reed, the credibility of the issue is challenged. "Advancing the state of the art" means advancing the state of knowledge about the UFO phenomenon, including the government's role in covering it up, hopefully eventually to a point that we know what's going on, really. So I don't think advancing the state of the art is such a hard concept.

Hmmmm. I see. Well is just my opinion but I don't think you wil be getting to the bottom of things very quickly. Just an opinion.

Actually, nothing is real. It is all an illusion

Now THAT I believe! :-)

But...there is hope for you Schuyler. A little teenie, tiny ray..

Originally posted by johnlear

But...there is hope for you Schuyler. A little teenie, tiny ray..

Hey, having the Great John Lear give me any attention at all makes my day!

Originally posted by WhiteWash

Sure John, not a problem:

Well WhiteWash, while I don't see 4 as a very good example of 'umpteenth' (I don't really know how many 'umpteen' but its gotta be more than 4) it does show you are prone to exaggerations.

I suppose what I am referring to is instances where you "suggest" people leave the thread because you either do not like the "attitude" of their post, or what they are saying is something you disagree with. I just wonder why it is you believe yourself in some position to dictate such things?

Actually a suggestion or a request is not the same as a 'dictate'. Had I the powers of a dictator you would have been long gone from the Billy Meier thread. As it stands now all I can do is respectfully request you leave.

At any rate, blah blah blah.......blah blah blah......blah blah blah......blah blah blah...... I think we can do away with the "matrix" silliness during discussions.

I agree.

Originally posted by schuyler

I made one little teenie, tiny error which I have corrected below.

But...there is hope for you Schuyler. A little teenie, tiny ray(gun)..

Hey, having the Great John Lear give me any attention at all makes my day!

Originally posted by WhiteWash
Indeed,
Here is a comparison for you all.
Examine that the bottom of the "wedding cake ufo" is EXACT in it's dimentions and construct as the garbage can lid

Everything from the amount of ridges, to the little handle thing poking out, to the lower lip is exactly the same.

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Take the garbage can lid (painted in alluminium color ofcourse) ontop of that a paintcan lid, then you put 23 chrismas balls ontop of that, with one open spot left where the last christmas ball can't fit (bummer), turn them to show the gaps and make it appear as if it is designed! so it can act as air intake for the "advanced propulsion system". In the middle a plastic or metal saurcer (because we use glue instead of welding, it is much easier if maybe you have one arm). Ontop of that another saurcer, we put 10 christmas balls ontop of that to also, ofcourse we have a gap because it doesn't fit (bummer again) We then build something to make it appear as designed! and look for any weird looking curved item to glue on the balls. Then we take an cup with lots of design pressed on the cup, and we top it of with 7 balls, eh voila. We have what "might" appear as a wedding cake. Oh, and don't forget to put some plastic necklace (red dots prefered) on the garbage can, dont want to look it to simple! This is all theory ofcourse, and not tested to get airborn.

Originally posted by Cygnific
Take the garbage can lid... This is all theory ofcourse, and not tested to get airborn.

While I agree with your recipie, Cygnific, as it certainly matches the visual clues of the pictures, you know that Michael12 will probably challenge it. He'll defy you to build one using all of the props that Meier had available to him, he'll want you to tie one arm behind your back, so you have to do it single-handedly, then he'll want you to take 63 fake pictures of it, blah blah blah.

The more I see of that WCUFO, the more fake it looks. Michael12 could not mathematically justify his reasons for thinking that there is an extended sleeve on the WCUFO. The best that he could do was to use a tape measure on his monitor, forgetting all about parralax error. He used no trigonometry at all to measure the effect of the parralax error to try and support his claim of an extended sleeve between two of the WCUFO pictures.

I think that if Meier had two arms, then he might have been able to construct better looking models. The WCUFO, to me, represents the best that a one-armed person could produce. This is all stated as my opinion, of course (which seems to be carte blanche for allowing many people to make up any story they like and get away with it).

Originally posted by johnlear
Well WhiteWash, while I don't see 4 as a very good example of 'umpteenth' (I don't really know how many 'umpteen' but its gotta be more than 4) it does show you are prone to exaggerations.

Ah, well John those were used as examples due to you asking for them. I hardly think my use of one exaggeration in my lingo counts as me being "Prone to exaggerations."

Actually a suggestion or a request is not the same as a 'dictate'. Had I the powers of a dictator you would have been long gone from the Billy Meier thread.

As it stands now all I can do is respectfully request you leave.

No, I won't be leaving. Furthermore I "suggest" if YOU cannot handle the thread, nor handle it when others call you on one of your snide remarks, comments or beliefs, then YOU leave. How's that grab you? I for one, can do this all day, every day. For as long as possible, and as long as necessary. Once again you use your little tactics to insult or attempt to derail, as usual. Keep digging your grave here on ats. It only makes you more unappealing to every one else. You should examine everything I have said to you before. You only play into my hands.

Originally posted by johnlearAt any rate, blah blah blah.......blah blah blah......blah blah blah......blah blah blah...... I think we can do away with the "matrix" silliness during discussions.

I agree.

Hrm, thanks for misquoting me, and textually putting words into my mouth. I never wrote that quote as you wrote it.
Once again John thank you for your unhelpful, snide, non-useful post.
As always it Slightly amuses me.

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Originally posted by johnlear
But the fact is I don't have the slightest idea of what a craft looks like that travels to interstellar space

Given your known background and proclaimed acquired knowledge, I would assume that you would be among the people who would have an educated guess at such a craft. And in that regard, I doubt there is anyone who could refute your ability to reasonably hypothesize on the attributes of a craft that would travel through space AND planetary atmosphere such as these.

The vast majority of objects constructed by Mr Meier lack fundamental aerodynamic efficiency, such as this ridiculously art-deco "WCUFO" object. Regardless of the theorized method of propulsion, these objects would experience catastrophic turbulence at high speed.

And, Mr. Horn, could you help us understand something? If these are sophisticated extraterrestrial craft, why do they keep bumping into trees?

Originally posted by mister.old.school
If these are sophisticated extraterrestrial craft, why do they keep bumping into trees?

Don't forget to put a picture in when 'suggesting' they bump into a tree Like this one:



Dont mind the lonely tree, it's very common in Zwitserland:



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Originally posted by mister.old.school

The vast majority of objects constructed by Mr Meier lack fundamental aerodynamic efficiency, such as this ridiculously art-deco "WCUFO" object. Regardless of the theorized method of propulsion, these objects would experience catastrophic turbulence at high speed.

One thing you should understand is that extraterrestrial craft do not have to have the slightest, teeniest, tinyest aerodynamic efficiency. When you have learned to wrap the gravity A wave you don't even have to wear a seat belt.

I also am offended by your calling the wedding cake 'ridiculously art-deco'. While art-deco was my favorite home style back when, I find its use to describe my FAVORITE Billy Meier craft offensive.

Its only now that I truly regret loaning Jon Farhat my picture books of the Meier craft to use for the Lazar Tape. I never got them back and now I would really like to have them for reference.

I swear that looks like a miniature tree with a toy UFO stuck to it and Meier has just laid on the ground to photograph it. Notice how there is nothing else in the photo to make a valid reference to.......coincident i doubt it. Im about 5 mintues from creating my own WCUFO and photographing it our studio here, i myself am not a photographer but working in a graphic design firm we have some 30 year veterans i have access to.



[edit on 7-5-2007 by helium3]

Originally posted by johnlear
One thing you should understand is that extraterrestrial craft do not have to have the slightest, teeniest, tinyest aerodynamic efficiency. When you have learned to wrap the gravity A wave you don't even have to wear a seat belt.

I also am offended by your calling the wedding cake 'ridiculously art-deco'. While art-deco was my favorite home style back when, I find its use to describe my FAVORITE Billy Meier craft offensive.

Its only now that I truly regret loaning Jon Farhat my picture books of the Meier craft to use for the Lazar Tape. I never got them back and now I would really like to have them for reference.

But these craft are not bending gravity on Mr Meier's farm are they? Efficiency is still efficiency, and no matter if you're pushing mass or gravity waves, the object must still move through atmosphere.

I'm sorry you're offended by the remark -- however, it stands. The object portrays a certain visual thematic that reflects, and is influenced by, the trends of the times in which it was created. If someone were to conceive of this hoax today, their models would be influenced by contemporary design sensibilities, as Meier's objects were then.


[edit on 7-5-2007 by mister.old.school]

Originally posted by helium3
I swear that looks like a miniature tree with a toy UFO stuck to it and Meier has just laid on the ground to photograph it. Notice how there is nothing else in the photo to make a valid reference to.......coincident i doubt it. Im about 5 mintues from creating my own WCUFO and photographing it our studio here, i myself am not a photographer but working in a graphic design firm we have some 30 year veterans i have access to.

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Excellent photograph. Look at the camera position! What do you notice?

Fairly close to the ground, not? Would that help creating a false perspective?

Could the tree be around 6 feet with a 2 feet model?

Looks like that to me. And this picture, where Meier got sloppy, suggests exactly that.

The film (mpeg) shows the same thing. Giant grass leaves or 'underbrush'.

Originally posted by johnlear

One thing you should understand is that extraterrestrial craft do not have to have the slightest, teeniest, tinyest aerodynamic efficiency. When you have learned to wrap the gravity A wave you don't even have to wear a seat belt.

I also am offended by your calling the wedding cake 'ridiculously art-deco'. While art-deco was my favorite home style back when, I find its use to describe my FAVORITE Billy Meier craft offensive.

Did Billy Meier told you the characteristics of how they fly or do you assume that? And why would they use gravity A and not something much more advanced? I'm offended that you describe the Billy Meier "thing" as a craft. Also, you are doing well avoiding the question i made about the object under the ufo, and rather comment on posts that make you offended.. Keep it up.


Edited for quote correction.

[edit on 7/5/2007 by Cygnific]

Picture the photograph above with a little zoom in and just the top half of the tree. What do you got than?

Notice where i have put there red line there is some type of ridge stopping you from seeing the base of the tree ?, could this be to prevent people from seeing that its a mini or model tree at the base ?. Also whats the almost metal ball in the corner ?



[edit on 7-5-2007 by helium3]

Originally posted by helium3
Also whats the almost metal ball in the corner ?

Easy to explain. That's an ejection pod for the aliens. They were so insistent that they did not want to be photographed that they ejected. Of course that's only my opinion.

If that isn't correct, then it is my opinion that they ejected out of the main craft because it was crashing into a tree. Their gravity drives, propulsion systems and aerodynamics went all screwy, as they approached the miniature tree.

If that isn't correct, then maybe they ejected to attend the wedding that Billy was hosting, considering that he baked them a cake?

All stated as my opinion without any factual evidence, like a lot of other opinions here. Hahahaha!

Originally posted by helium3
Notice where i have put there red line there is some type of ridge stopping you from seeing the base of the tree ?, could this be to prevent people from seeing that its a mini or model tree at the base ?. Also whats the almost metal ball in the corner ?

[edit on 7-5-2007 by helium3]

Did another piece fall off????

This is priceless, I'm laughing my @$$ off.

It could be the bomb Billy recovered from underneath San Francisco that the evil aliens placed there ?. You think some of these photos are B+ then read the contact notes.

Probably a christmas ball

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