Forest on Mars !?!?

Originally posted by kleverone
Either way those pics are pretty amazing. I'm open to just about anything and willing to believe whatever seems the most true to me, and so far I'm not convinced that mars is what NASA portrays it as or at least our progress in getting there.

LOL I know you don't believe what John says but we are already there...

Ever hear of the "Aquila"?

In a letter I received from ummmm "sources"... I will post a few snippits..

Quote from letter...

Hubert P. Davis, Starcraft Boosters, Inc.
1032 Military Drive
Canyon Lake, TX 78133
(830) 935-XXXX
email: [email protected]

Subject:

SPACE TRANSPORTATION FOR A LUNAR RESOURCES BASE (LRB)

This is a report of a work in progress. So far as the author is presently aware, this topic has not been previously addressed. Proprietary work by NASA or others may, however, exist that address similar topics...

This work placed a total 129 tons initial base for both the in-crater and crater rim installations, aswell as a 90 tons “marshalling yard” at the Earth-Moon L-1 libration point. For launch services, the results of an in-house Shuttle-Derived Heavy Lift Launch Vehicle study were used. It is called
Aquila. This vehicle can deliver over 50 tons to low Earth orbit from the Kennedy Space Center, using a combination of Space Shuttle and Delta IV-Heavy components...

A second stage of the Delta IV-Heavy vehicle was used to deliver 15 tons payloads from Earth orbit to docking at L-1. By so doing, no “new start” systems are needed beyond those of the L-1 station and the LRB itself, provided the Aquila and Crew Exploration Vehicle have been previously developed. At L-1, three of these once-used stages are fitted with landing gear and other elements needed to produce a highly capable Lunar Vehicle and it is refueled from propellants delivered from Earth to place the base and to provide a single visit of a six person crew to aid the robotic operations necessary to produce a fully functional base...

A Mars mission departing from L-1 with mass of 686 tons can be placed on the trans-Mars trajectory expending lunar-origin propellants and just one of the Lunar Vehicles, requiring an additional 13 Aquila launches. This will permit dual Mars spacecraft to be used for each mission with a 28% mass margin over a single, similar mass vehicle departing from low Earth orbit...

End Snippits

There is more and there are many more letters and phone calls and reports that I have collected. People always scream for evidence...

Yet rarely pay attention when you give it, like the Stargate papers I posted from the LANL and the AFRL... The mere fact that these two agencies are TALKING about stargates and how they work should be more than enough to wake people up... well I posted that info three times in two thread and once in the lunar thread... result? NOT ONE PERSON even read them

Then I see threads like the latest "bash John" thread and I have to wonder just what the agenda really is... and why we even bother trying to reveal stuff to people...

Fortunately I do it for my own knowledge and the "few good men(and women) that are truly interested..

"click"

Yet rarely pay attention when you give it, like the Stargate papers I posted from the LANL and the AFRL... The mere fact that these two agencies are TALKING about stargates and how they work should be more than enough to wake people up...

Post it here so I can have a look. Another topic I am looking into recently.

landoflegends.us...

We are discovering every day, practically - something “new“ about Mars lol:

There is a thread on ATS about “strange“ notilucent clouds observed over south and north pole on Earth ( this rise question for me - coz I read it some time before that information) unusually high in atmosphere - and this cirrus type of clouds - are very similar to Mars clouds. They come after sunset - like on Earth.

Previously, scientists knew only of lower atmosphere clouds that cover the Red Planet's surface.

But what they are saying - due to high altitude, clouds are not water composed, but CO2.

So - we have here, exactly same strange feature as on Earth ( coz scientist are puzzled with Earth notilucent clouds.




*Earth




Than again - these beg the next question: is atmosphere more thicker than previouslt thought and could this CO2 clouds reflect beck the heat and pretty much, warm Mars... to the point of possibility of liquid water running all over!?

Better to have a good and fresh look at the Martian atmosphere!




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Another question ( I think it is something that I remember as a question from some other forum) is regarding thicker atmosphere:

Do you see a Heiligenschein effect on this image of shadow of a Martian robot!?

Originally posted by darkbluesky


because the particulates are extremely angular and the unconsolidated sediments have a much higher angle of repose than the weathered and rounded sediments of earth..also lower gravity.

what a theory for muddy soil








* wow...this one is must see lol








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Originally posted by zorgon

Okay sulphate salts... in the rocks that hold the blueberries LOL
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ESA - sulphate deposits in Juventae Chasma:





ESA

sulphate and other saline indicators formed by groundwater seeping into the rocks and altering them or carrying dissolved saline ions that precipitated within the host rocks, giving the mixture of silicate-sulphate suggested by the second diagram upwards. The one salient fact and conclusion that seems firm: water has played one or more roles in affecting some of the rocks at the martian surface.

source

The recent
discovery of haematite concretionsby NASA’s MarsExploration Rover ‘Opportunity’, and its analogy with terres-trial haematite ‘blueberries’, constitutes new evidencefor an early wet Mars. Besides, other minerals like phyl-losilicates, carbonates and sulphateshave been identifiedin SNC meteorites, suggesting water mediated precipitation of these minerals

source


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Originally posted by zorgon

OH NOOOOO You have a Venus thread??? Arrgggggg

I pretty much hold a belief that these thick,acidic clouds of Venus, are in fact hiding life. There are some interesting things about chemical composition of atmosphere....and there is this solar radiation....and lightning which produce huge amount of CO2 - but SOMETHING IS REMOVING IT...and also hydrogen sulfide and sulfur dioxide...and as I have written in thread: “These two gases react with each other, and so are never normally found together unless something is producing them...so, yes there are some indicators...as are about Mars and Europe, in enormous liquid, methane ocean (( methane being byproduct of organic metabolism and something had to CONSTANTLY SUPPLY this FRESH gas)).....and also methaneTitan...


* I again recommend Asimov on Chemistry of Life

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Originally posted by blue bird


I pretty much hold a belief that these thick,acidic clouds of Venus, are in fact hiding life. There are some interesting things about chemical composition of atmosphere....and there is this solar radiation....and lightning which produce huge amount of CO2 - but SOMETHING IS REMOVING IT...and also hydrogen sulfide and sulfur dioxide...and as I have written in thread: “These two gases react with each other, and so are never normally found together unless something is producing them...so, yes there are some indicators...as are about Mars and Europe, in enormous liquid, methane ocean (( methane being byproduct of organic metabolism and something had to CONSTANTLY SUPPLY this FRESH gas)).....and also methaneTitan...

* I again recommend Asimov on Chemistry of Life

So does this mean i need to revamp your bluebird avatar so that it appears to be over venus instead of over mars? and where's the venus thread?

bluebird over venus



www.thestargates.com...

bluebird from here:
www.bluebird-electric.net...

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Originally posted by zorgon
Well ArMaP sand or water....

Mind telling me what THIS is?

I don't have the slightest idea.

Originally posted by zorgon
I want to know why if Mars is dry and dusty the rover leaves tracks like this


That stay for a very long time, as evidenced by later shots from space...

Have you ever walked over Portland cement powder? It reacts in a very similar way to that dust on Mars, and it is one of the finest powders I know, so I think that it only needs to be an extremely fine powder to react like that. Oh, and dry, in the case of the cement.

Originally posted by zorgon
So now if its "not from HiRise" its not valid anymore?

No, it just means that if we already know those and if HiRISE photos are more detailed, then they are the best to compare with those from other probes.

And thank you for the jets' photos and the CO2 explanation.

Ahhh twas such a lovely world....

Once upon a time...



Okay "The Blue Bird Files" are now official...

Front Door... Bottom of List

landoflegends.us...

OR

thelivingmoon.com...

Now I need to check out Venus... Where did you say that thread was?

Originally posted by ArMaPHave you ever walked over Portland cement powder? It reacts in a very similar way to that dust on Mars, and it is one of the finest powders I know, so I think that it only needs to be an extremely fine powder to react like that. Oh, and dry, in the case of the cement.

Hmmm perhaps...

BUT! NASA says....

" ...in a trench the rover dug. Hints of salty water were also found in the trench, but much more analysis is needed to learn the true composition.

Meanwhile Opportunity's twin rover, Spirit, is about to dig a trench of its own in order to investigate soil that sticks to its wheels, suggesting the fine-grained material might be moist. "

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By the way... I forgot to mention that this one was a truly remarkable find

It will start the section on Martian Weather...

Hey, my country appears on the second photo!

Does that mean that I am a Martian?

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by zorgon
Well ArMaP sand or water....

Mind telling me what THIS is?

I don't have the slightest idea.

Originally posted by zorgon
I want to know why if Mars is dry and dusty the rover leaves tracks like this


That stay for a very long time, as evidenced by later shots from space...

Have you ever walked over Portland cement powder? It reacts in a very similar way to that dust on Mars, and it is one of the finest powders I know, so I think that it only needs to be an extremely fine powder to react like that. Oh, and dry, in the case of the cement.

Originally posted by zorgon
So now if its "not from HiRise" its not valid anymore?

No, it just means that if we already know those and if HiRISE photos are more detailed, then they are the best to compare with those from other probes.

And thank you for the jets' photos and the CO2 explanation.

What is the source of that image???

Ok, Zorgon...once again i will ask you where you got that picture?

Yeah, i know i ask alot...but that picture is pretty interesting to say the least. What is it?

Originally posted by zorgon

It will start the section on Martian Weather...

Actually, Mars weather is something very interesting and there are a lot of 'new' things that scientists are daily surprised about:



source //snow on mars

Like SNOW on Mars - yes snow...the fact is - that we better belive our eyes!
Snow on that numerous gullies on Martian crater walls...all white...

Another mystery is why the south polar cap, with its thin layers of water ice, is slightly offset from the pole itself.

"It's something we don't understand," Smith said.

What is clear is that clouds hover over the caps as the weather starts to warm in the martian spring in the northern and southern hemisphere.

Orbiter data shows that those thin clouds vanish as the sun rises, and that the material falls back to Mars as frost or snow.

"This is clearly evidence that it snows on Mars," Smith said.

aource // mars weather - stranger than you tought


"Evidence of Snow on Mars - and Perhaps an Abode for Life?"

source

*Animation of Mars snow and water erosion remnants:

With high resolution pictures of the northern and southern hemispheres now available on a regular basis, scientists will be able to monitor the ebb and flow of Martian seasons as never before, and perhaps gain a new understanding of Martian water, snow, and frost.

summer snow


* great THEMIS image:

OK...this isn't a forest or weather, i don't think...but i have no clue as to what it could be.

Any explanation?




they are of the south pole. Wallace Thornhill says they are electrical scars from lightning discharge, et al.

thunderbolts.info...

As well, i have wondered how the weather system on Mars would work.

It appears that there was significant water flow either right before, or sometime since the cataclysm that left it what it is today:




This is "Victoria Crater" on Mars. You can see where the water that was in there evaporated at the very bottom. Look how well sculpted the walls are, as if there was consistent rainfall etching its edges. There is some considerable weathering of the walls, moreso than the Sphinx, to say the least. To have left the walls so sharp on a crater....

But then, it still doesn't look right. Just doesn't look like a crater.

Well, they look like electrical discharge machining by multiple arcs.

I think - that formations like these mainly goes under umbrella term dune...





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