Why wouldnt aliens be like us? VIOLENT

Originally posted by laiguana
I have no doubt that aliens could be violent, but I would assume that if they have reached such form of advancement they would be much more practical than humans are today.

Precisely the point of evolution and the edict of karma - evil does not evolve... simply put. The ability to harness interstellar or quantum travel marks a threshold of evolution for a species. It's only a matter of time before a violent species self destructs... this always happens. Hollywood is the only place where you will see evil aliens. The Grays are a perfect example of a race who is now living out the sentence of an evil start... they were once like us a long time ago but finally destroyed the surface of their home world. The remaining survivors regrouped underground and had to survive there for millenia.. eventually they evolved quantum technology but not at the cost of losing their ability to process sunlight or reproduce except by artificial means.

The beings that are here are give the right by an astral race and they are governed very strictly. the Grays as well as other races have been given permission to study and perform DNA extraction through chosen lineages - this was granted after we sparked by the Abomb and nuclear technology became profuse. For them, the intrusion of a few lives with this research is not, by any means, violent. It is a means of possibly preserving our DNA as well as creating hybrids with other species.


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Originally posted by kronos11

Originally posted by millerman
Why would spacefaring civilizations be peaceful?

I believe a lot of it has to do with the technologies that enable interstellar travel.

Once a civilization has mastered the use of "free" energy (zero-point energy) and has the means to travel about the galaxy, there is a paradigm shift from "scarcity" to "abundance". Abundant, virtually unlimited energy and resources. There is virtually unlimited EM energy in the fabric of space/time all around us, even in "empty" space, and millions upon millions of solar systems and planets to extract other needed resources from.

So once a civilization reaches that level, it is no longer necessary to conquer and assimilate other civilizations - because there's plenty of room and resources for everybody!

this is the case exactly... good job millerman.

and further, with this new "abundance" a civilization of beings who have reaped this reward will then be immediately prefaced with a whole new set of paradigms and none which include the conquest of space and hard resources - all those become meaningless in the face unlimited energy and resources.

Resources are not the only causes of war. Their society could be based on warfare, or they could be extremely religious and fight holy wars . In any case by conquering new worlds, you acquire more resources, but your population also grows exponentially, and soon you will need to conquer a new system. The number of inhabitable planets in the galaxy must be quite rare too. And even with less than 10 spacefaring species conflicts will eventually arise.

Originally posted by DarkSide
The number of inhabitable planets in the galaxy must be quite rare too. And even with less than 10 spacefaring species conflicts will eventually arise.

To my understanding, and this is simple heresay, there is an astral/etheric race who are like a police of the "spacefaring species" and if there happens to be an evil or warbased race here they are not allowed access. This astral/etheric race are masters of time and space - their existence is nearly inconceivable to us.

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Originally posted by kronos11
To my understanding, and this is simple heresay, there is an astral/etheric race who are like a police of the "spacefaring species" and if there happens to be an evil or warbased race here they are not allowed access. This astral/etheric race are masters of time and space - their existence is nearly inconceivable to us.

So there's this race of beings, who live in some kind of alternate reality, and the only reason they exist is to fight any bad guys that show up? Sounds too simplistic and new agy

Intelligent beings are difficult to predict, and are not black and white, for example there won't be a good race, a bad race, and a non intervening race..

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When does abundant resources equal behavior modification/suppression?
The only paradigm shift I see doing that is being drugged, genetically modified, and neurally implanted.

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Originally posted by kronos11

Originally posted by laiguana
I have no doubt that aliens could be violent, but I would assume that if they have reached such form of advancement they would be much more practical than humans are today.

Precisely the point of evolution and the edict of karma - evil does not evolve... simply put. The ability to harness interstellar or quantum travel marks a threshold of evolution for a species. It's only a matter of time before a violent species self destructs... this always happens. Hollywood is the only place where you will see evil aliens. The Grays are a perfect example of a race who is now living out the sentence of an evil start... they were once like us a long time ago but finally destroyed the surface of their home world. The remaining survivors regrouped underground and had to survive there for millenia.. eventually they evolved quantum technology but not at the cost of losing their ability to process sunlight or reproduce except by artificial means.

The beings that are here are give the right by an astral race and they are governed very strictly. the Grays as well as other races have been given permission to study and perform DNA extraction through chosen lineages - this was granted after we sparked by the Abomb and nuclear technology became profuse. For them, the intrusion of a few lives with this research is not, by any means, violent. It is a means of possibly preserving our DNA as well as creating hybrids with other species.


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Define evil. Every species of animal life on earth forces its will on other life without the other lifeforms consent. So when does Karma catch up with all life on Earth? A violent species self destructs? Why has life existed on Earth then for the past hundreds of millions of years? Life that preys upon other life?

Grays? How do you even know if they are aliens? Even more how would you know their history? Quantum technology like what Cellphones? What does that even mean? Astral race? Like in Astra from the Stars? That would mean they were from space. I'm sorry if Madame Blavatsky was a bit ignorant when using the world Astral.

I have absolutely zip-zero faith in Theosophy or any of its offshoots. Whoever or whatever these entities are that come up with this stuff have been doing it since Swedenborg. False prophecies, prophets, cults, and suicides. Someone is having a laugh at our expense.

Intruding into ourlives? Something has been doing that far before any Nuclear test in New Mexico. The names and faces change but the its the same crap that Faeries and Djinn did long before any modern nuclear technology existed.

Tell Melchizedek I said hi

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Ok one species reaches perfection, another 50 lets say other advanced races all from different genetics have to catch that up too, one's definition of peace is by being selfish and destroying the other species so it remains the elite. There is no anwser even if one achieves this level many others races will be different unless all species become one in genetics or one in thought.

Originally posted by DarkSide
So there's this race of beings, who live in some kind of alternate reality, and the only reason they exist is to fight any bad guys that show up? Sounds too simplistic and new agy

I agree about the new agey part but hey... that's my story and im sticking to it. this "alternate reality" is really not so alternate, these beings are constantly a part of our world and have been here long before we were. And for them their really is no "fight" per se in their contact with spacefaring races... their presence is so impressive that any physical being immediately defers to them upon meeting them, it's a no-brainer because it's strikingly obvious that these guys are not bound by physical laws.

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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Define evil. Every species of animal life on earth forces its will on other life without the other lifeforms consent.

Correct, when they're animals, but once we have a will of self then we are immediately open to karmic law. An animal does not know evil inherently - even if they exhibited symptoms of evil then either the animal would be sick or has been trained by a sentient being to do evil... animals only know survival and killing for survival is as right as rain in nature. Evil simply put is the antagonized destruction or wanton appeasement of desire and greed at the expense of another lifeform, be it animal or human.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
So when does Karma catch up with all life on Earth?

I'd say it already has... I don't know where you live or what news you're exposed to but we're falling at a staggering rate. Go ask any global ecologist you can find and each and every one of them is scared sh*tless right now. There are things happening on the earth at this moment that match biblical porportions but we are all kept in the dark about them mainly because the established leadership wants us to continue to work, stress, pay bills and purchase goods - the reduction of modern life. How evolved is that?

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
A violent species self destructs? Why has life existed on Earth then for the past hundreds of millions of years? Life that preys upon other life?

We have to be given a chance and that may take millions of years to fruit but things speed up at the end with the advent of technology... this cycle is a standard model throughout the universe, we are not so unique. Yes we have made the transition from animal to human but what about the next transition? This is referred to as the quantum leap of a species.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Grays? How do you even know if they are aliens? Even more how would you know their history? Quantum technology like what Cellphones? What does that even mean?

I went through great pains to mention that this is merely my opinion. I am a former abductee and this is how I know... so at that point you can choose to believe it or not. When I say quantum technology I mean mastery of interstellar travel which is the reduction of physical space and time into a registry that allows for pinpoint lightspeed travel. Very different than the theories and experiments(philiadelphia experiment, montauk project) put forth to date. Unfortuately I am not technically versed in this field so I don't know any of the specifics beyond the fact that this technology allows them to travel vast swaths of the galaxy in seconds.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Astral race? Like in Astra from the Stars? That would mean they were from space.

Actually I do apologize for this verbage as I have no other way to describe these beings. Maybe etheric? These beings are not physical in our sense, however, they can lower their vibration levels at will and assume a physical form. It is already being proven in many of the elite circles of quantum physics that there indeed does exist a multiverse.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
I have absolutely zip-zero faith in Theosophy or any of its offshoots. Whoever or whatever these entities are that come up with this stuff have been doing it since Swedenborg. False prophecies, prophets, cults, and suicides. Someone is having a laugh at our expense.

I am familiar with Blavatsky and the Theosophist movement and though I find some grains of truth in what it testifies, I am by no means influenced or well knowledged in it though. And believe me, before I saw a saucer up close(50 ft.) in 1996 and was then abducted a year later I couldn't have given a rat's @ss about ufo's or "astral" beings.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Intruding into ourlives? Something has been doing that far before any Nuclear test in New Mexico. The names and faces change but the its the same crap that Faeries and Djinn did long before any modern nuclear technology existed.

Agree.. many of the visitors have been here instigating and following our complete current era of development but as I understand it was only after after the A-bomb tests at Bikini island they began to allow the abductions and intrusive experiments for DNA extraction.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Tell Melchizedek I said hi

Are you referring to the guy who wrote the flower of life books?


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Mainly because violence is irracional, it's like sexual desire, an impulse.
So, if they're advanced I mean, a bit more than us, I believe they'd preach peace. With peace you can make allies and one it's done you obviously can exchange many things.
So it's a win-win situation, you make friends and everyone helps everyone.

It's quite simple

Originally posted by DarkSide

Originally posted by millermanbut it is used more to contain possible threats - like us - than to conquer and destroy.....

humans are a threat? that's new

Oh yes, most definitely. If we start going out into space with a "conquer and destroy" mentality with things like nuclear and scalar wave weapons, we would most certainly be a threat to other civilizations..... (you can destroy whole planets with scalar wave technology)

I wish I was bank robber, then I could say"hey, I work hard, I want to put food on the table for my children,...I'm an industrious, hard working , intelligent human who who wants to "pay my way",...put food on the table for my children,...I do not "ROB BANKS"... I just make "undocumented withdrawal's" gee, sure would be nice if there was a club like that I could join...

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
When does abundant resources equal behavior modification/suppression?

It doesn't.

The only paradigm shift I see doing that is being drugged, genetically modified, and neurally implanted.

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You are assuming that humans don't know how to live without having an enemy to fight. What happens when resources are virtually unlimited and there are no more enemies to fight? And we have the freedom to explore the galaxy and interact with other peaceful cosmic civilizations?

There WILL be a paradigm shift toward peace and abundance. And it need not involve being drugged, modified, implanted etc.....

I wish I was bank robber, then I could say"hey, I work hard, I want to put food on the table for my children,...I'm an industrious, hard working , intelligent human who who wants to "pay my way",...put food on the table for my children,...I do not "ROB BANKS"... I just make "undocumented withdrawal's" gee, sure would be nice if there was a club like that I could join...

Youve posted this same response on two differnet threads!

Be carefull your not labeled a troll.

mods have you seen this?

maslow's hierachy of needs.

Maybe peace = when all of these are met

Originally posted by millerman

Originally posted by DarkSide

Originally posted by millermanbut it is used more to contain possible threats - like us - than to conquer and destroy.....

humans are a threat? that's new

Oh yes, most definitely. If we start going out into space with a "conquer and destroy" mentality with things like nuclear and scalar wave weapons, we would most certainly be a threat to other civilizations..... (you can destroy whole planets with scalar wave technology)

Then we still have a long way to go...

We're still an oil dependant, religion plagued, species with half of our population starving and suffering of disease.

Originally posted by kronos11
Correct, when they're animals, but once we have a will of self then we are immediately open to karmic law. An animal does not know evil inherently - even if they exhibited symptoms of evil then either the animal would be sick or has been trained by a sentient being to do evil... animals only know survival and killing for survival is as right as rain in nature. Evil simply put is the antagonized destruction or wanton appeasement of desire and greed at the expense of another lifeform, be it animal or human.

The problem I have with that is in order for us to survive we have to force our will on other lifeforms even if it was just plants and fungi. This action can seem quite destructive as we clear forest and wetlands for farming. I agree though that humans have gotten carried away in the last hundred or so years. I'm not saying were acting evil as a whole. We are breeding too fast. The last hundred and fifty years of revolutions in science, medicine, industry, transportation, and agriculture have alllowed to us to breed on a rediculous scale. I don't call that evil. It's happend because of an abundance of resources which at this time are finite. Humans don't need to get rid of their survival instincts, but we need to learn moderation.

I'd say it already has... I don't know where you live or what news you're exposed to but we're falling at a staggering rate. Go ask any global ecologist you can find and each and every one of them is scared sh*tless right now. There are things happening on the earth at this moment that match biblical porportions but we are all kept in the dark about them mainly because the established leadership wants us to continue to work, stress, pay bills and purchase goods - the reduction of modern life. How evolved is that?

I live in Germany at the present. I follow the news obsessively. I know the weather seems to be broke. The honeybees are missing in action. We seem to be having a problem with earthquakes. Lots of weird stuff from birds falling out of the skies, animals washing up on beaches, etc. I wouldn't say were kept in the dark. Most people don't care about it unless it affects them directly. They are more worried about their bills, American Idol, anything Sports related, Angelina Jolie adopting kids, Britney Spear's hair, Anna Nicole Smith's autopsy, Missing Blonde White woman syndrome, etc. Thats what bothers me the most is Ignorance. Proper Education and being properly informed needs to be a higher priority.

We have to be given a chance and that may take millions of years to fruit but things speed up at the end with the advent of technology... this cycle is a standard model throughout the universe, we are not so unique. Yes we have made the transition from animal to human but what about the next transition? This is referred to as the quantum leap of a species.

The only transition I can see is is through Transhumanist technology which might not be pleasant. Genetic modification to eliminate disease is fine, but to change our behavior? Cybernetic implants are fine as long as it doesn't involve behavior altering Neural implants. We have already reached the point of suppressing our humanity with Drugs. I'm not looking forward to the Brave New World. The Singularity is the only Relative Leap that could greatly effect us I can think of. I'm not looking forward to any Artilect machine-gods or anything resembling Terminators, The Matrix, The Borg Collective, etc.

I went through great pains to mention that this is merely my opinion. I am a former abductee and this is how I know... so at that point you can choose to believe it or not. When I say quantum technology I mean mastery of interstellar travel which is the reduction of physical space and time into a registry that allows for pinpoint lightspeed travel. Very different than the theories and experiments(philiadelphia experiment, montauk project) put forth to date. Unfortuately I am not technically versed in this field so I don't know any of the specifics beyond the fact that this technology allows them to travel vast swaths of the galaxy in seconds.

I have had some bizarre experiences myself. Alot of hypothetical technology involving folding space and wormholes has been around in concept form for decades. The problem with it is lack of a suffcient power source. Most of them would consume the entire power output of the sun. To me the real Relative Leap would be from a massive new power source.
Zero Point Energy and Antimatter arn't it at least to power that type of travel.

Actually I do apologize for this verbage as I have no other way to describe these beings. Maybe etheric? These beings are not physical in our sense, however, they can lower their vibration levels at will and assume a physical form. It is already being proven in many of the elite circles of quantum physics that there indeed does exist a multiverse.

I don't dismiss parallel universes, higher dimensions, etc. Etheric or Aetheric could be misleading. It sounds great to offshoots of Theosophy.
Have you read anything by Jaques Vallee? I highly recommend Messengers of Deception. Another I'd recommend is Daimonic Reality by Patrick Harpur. I personally refer to the entities as Phantoms.

I am familiar with Blavatsky and the Theosophist movement and though I find some grains of truth in what it testifies, I am by no means influenced or well knowledged in it though. And believe me, before I saw a saucer up close(50 ft.) in 1996 and was then abducted a year later I couldn't have given a rat's @ss about ufo's or "astral" beings.

Theosophy and the Spiritualist movement laid the foundation for various Occult movements at the start of the 20th Century, the Contactee cults that began in the 1950s, and The New Age movement of the present.

Agree.. many of the visitors have been here instigating and following our complete current era of development but as I understand it was only after after the A-bomb tests at Bikini island they began to allow the abductions and intrusive experiments for DNA extraction.

Abductions and intrusive activities have been going on for millenia.

Are you referring to the guy who wrote the flower of life books?

No.

Originally posted by coastlinekid
I wish I was bank robber, then I could say"hey, I work hard, I want to put food on the table for my children,...I'm an industrious, hard working , intelligent human who who wants to "pay my way",...put food on the table for my children,...I do not "ROB BANKS"... I just make "undocumented withdrawal's" gee, sure would be nice if there was a club like that I could join...

There is their called Street Gangs and Organized Crime Syndicates.

Originally posted by millerman
You are assuming that humans don't know how to live without having an enemy to fight. What happens when resources are virtually unlimited and there are no more enemies to fight? And we have the freedom to explore the galaxy and interact with other peaceful cosmic civilizations?

There WILL be a paradigm shift toward peace and abundance. And it need not involve being drugged, modified, implanted etc.....

When resources are virtually unlimited we, the humans will breed and spread like a massive swarm of locusts. I'm actually beginning to think unlimited resources might be really bad after reflecting on it.

We'll always have enemies. Familymembers fight, Classmates fight, Neighbors fight, Different families fight, Gangs fight, Clans/Tribes fight, Sects fight, Races fight, Cultures fight, Nations fight. We all fight. Violence can be moderated through education and law. More effective education and legal systems will reduce our present level of violence but its not going to remove our instincts. You can take the most peaceful human and put them in the right circumstances and they will become a killing machine.

I'm not advocating that we act like killing machines. I'm advocating self discipline, improved legal and education sysytems. Violence needs to be moderated. We shouldn't go about like Space Vikings annoying the crap out of who ever is out there.

jtma508,

I'm not saying that this is the only possible model. It isn't. I'm simply pointing out how technological advancement and military activity can easily coexist and, in fact, thrive off of each other.