UK captives tell of ill treatment

The way i see it... it is all just propaganda to get the sheep onside for the next war...

If you are going to place sanctions and what not on Iran because they detained 15 sailors in, lets face it, conditions that were far better than they would have been in other places in the world, then why doesn't the UN put sanctions on the US for it's treatment of prisoners at Gitmo?

If you want to single out one nation for a single indiscretion, then look at the US first and you can be fairly sure they've done it and got off in the past...

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by Togetic
Again, this thread is not about Guantanamo Bay or Abu Ghirab or anything else. What is the purpose of the previous post? All it does is let Iran go scot-free for no reason.

Let's figure out what happened in Guantanamo. Let's get to the bottom of Abu Ghirab.

But let's not give Iran a pass.

No, What Iran does is not good either but let's not be hypocrites either and think the British were not treated well under the circumstances...

Even if they were subject to psychological stress?

Originally posted by Togetic
Even if they were subject to psychological stress?

This is very ironic and funny in a sad way, people seems to forget that when you join the arm forces then send by your leaders to fight in any place in world . . .

You know that you could die any time in another land. . .

What more psychological test than this one . . .

Give a break!!!!!!!

I guess human beings are only on half part of the world>

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Originally posted by maestro46
IF it was stagged (this is a hypothetical question so I don't want to see any replies like "brittain would never" and such) what could brittain hope to get out of this? What could they be playing on?

Regards,
Maestro

Tbh I wouldn't just automatically count that out. Maybe Iran did treat the soldiers well, then Britain told them to say that they were treated badly anyway, just to take some face away from Iran, who redeemed themselves a bit from seeming like 'demons'.

Britain wouldn't want Iran seeming like they could be human or thoughtful now would they!?

No one knows!

Originally posted by piacenza
I guess human beings are only on half part of the world>

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pasted by Intrepid
OK guys, I understand that it's easy to pick at members that supported or denied what happened at Gitmo et. all. but find this to be bad, that's not the topic though. Let's keep to it please.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Intrepid already made it clear this thread is NOT I repeat is not about GITMO so leave it out we are discussing what took place in Iran and GITMO and ABU are Offtopic.



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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
What a misleading title shots.

Illtreatment?

Bound and isolated, holy bajeezas, we'd better outlaw Iran.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, Iran treated their prisoners 100x better than the coalition is treating its prisoners in Iraq, Gitmo or Eastern EU.

Illtreatment, what a load of crap.

like I'v said before you just come across as anti western you have nothing good to say about America or Britain, and I think most people who frequent these boards would disagree with your constant put-downs, our service men and women are in harms way to preserve your freedom and way of life the least you could do is show a little respect for their efforts

The fact is Iran treated these people pretty damn good. Except for being embarrassed, nothing happened to them. They were captured and interrogated, Neither of which was done in a brutal way. I'm not saying that Iran is the best counrty in the world, but they did NOT mistreat those sailors.We all know how the US treats its prisonors so Im not even going to go there. Also, im not saying that Iran treats all of its prisonors this way but in this case, they did NOT mistreat them whatsoever.

what America does to it's prisoners is none of my business these people were British and they were kidnapped on the high seas whilst worKing under a UN directive they were mistreated from start to finish and were genuinly in fear of their life and I can tell you they won't get away with it again

Are the Royal Marines a disgrace to the coalition and the US ?

Well that is how it seems so according to a compelling argument from the New York Post.

THE greatest shock from the Middle East this year hasn't been terrorist ruthlessness or the latest Iranian tantrum. It's that members of Britain's Royal Marines wimped out in a matter of days and acquiesced in propaganda broadcasts for their captors.

Jingoism aside, I can't imagine any squad of U.S. Marines behaving in such a shabby, cowardly fashion. Our Marines would have fought to begin with. Taken captive by force, they would've resisted collaboration. To the last man and woman.

You could put a U.S. Marine in a dungeon and knock out his teeth, but you wouldn't knock out his pride in his country and the Corps. "Semper fi" means something.

And our Aussie allies would be just as tough.

What on earth happened to the Royal Marines? They're members of what passes for an elite unit. Has the Labor government's program to gut the U.K. military - grounding planes, taking ships out of service and deactivating army units - also ripped the courage from the breasts of those in uniform?

The female sailor who broke down first and begged for her government to surrender was pathetic enough. But when Royal Marines started pleading for tea and sympathy . . . Ma, say it ain't so!

Meanwhile, back at No. 10 "Downer" Street, British politicians are more upset that President Bush described their sailors and Marines as "hostages" than they are with the Iranians.

Okay, Lord Spanker and Lady Fanny - what exactly are those sailors and Marines? Package tourists?

Naturally, the European Union has praised Britain's "restraint." We've now got another synonym for cowardice.

Source

Well it does seem pathetic in that way. The British soldiers televised sobbing and scraf wearing antics were pathetic, hostage or not. These are definitely not the same lineage as the soldiers they claim to represent.

See Iran should of made a condition of their release a gag clause so that they couldn't talk about any of their ordeal for 12 months! That's what the really smart countries do who torture or ill-treat prisoners. They'd have avoided all this hoopla until no one could remember, or care about the situation.

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Originally posted by avro
our service men and women are in harms way to preserve your freedom

That is your perspective, doesn't mean everyone perceive it as so.

as Winston Churchill once said jaw jaw is better than war war. as you see it confess hate, if it had been your patrol boats doing the searching (come to think of it why wasn't it seeing as you'v got such a huge navy ) we would now all be enjoying WW111 on our wide screen home cinemas

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Originally posted by IAF101
Well it does seem pathetic in that way. The British soldiers televised sobbing and scraf wearing antics were pathetic, hostage or not. These are definitely not the same lineage as the soldiers they claim to represent.

Can we at least respect the sailors, reading the latest Story it is obvious much more went on then we know about. Kindly note where one stated he did not expect to survive. I am not saying that is true but that is what was stated and everyone has to step back and look at the whole picture. Every newspaper is trying to gather bits of info on this and I would like to think in the end we will have a better picture to judge. Under reacting or overreacting at this point is not the right thing to do. Yes, we can discuss each break in the story but please let's not jump to conclusions

Are we to believe that the once mighty Royal Navy cannot search even merchant ships now?? Getting captured should be shameful enough I would think but defending their captors and criticizing their own people is inexplicable.

The news stories so far (the British news media at least) seem to be focusing on the 'trauma' of the event but none of the news media in Britain have questioned the actions of these 15 sailors who claim to side with the enemy for fear of their lives. If that was all that it took, why did they join the marines in the first place ?

According to reputation the Royal Marines are said to some of the finest, yet not 1 but 15 of them acquiesced to Iranian threats. The woman first and then the rest of them one-by-one folded. I dont see how people can sympathize with them when they openly criticized their own and sided with their captors ?

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Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by avro
our service men and women are in harms way to preserve your freedom

That is your perspective, doesn't mean everyone perceive it as so.

quite true but maybe if you study the issue a bit more you will come round to my and most other rational posters thinking

Originally posted by IAF101
Are we to believe that the once mighty Royal Navy cannot search even merchant ships now?? Getting captured should be shameful enough I would think but defending their captors and criticizing their own people is inexplicable.

you do your fellow country men a great diservice by adopting this unfriendly attitude toward an ally lets face it you ain't got many right now

Originally posted by shots
Kindly note where one stated he did not expect to survive.

How do you expect someone who's brain washed enough to join the army to not believe the stories about Iran that they will mutilate you for the pleasure.

It's obvious that a person who's lost enough to join the army is more likely to believe any story bad about Iran.

Of course he did not expect to survive, in his mind the Iranians wanted to slaughter them for the fun of it.

Originally posted by avro

Originally posted by selfless

Originally posted by avro
our service men and women are in harms way to preserve your freedom

That is your perspective, doesn't mean everyone perceive it as so.

quite true but maybe if you study the issue a bit more you will come round to my and most other rational posters thinking

If you think the government or secret government cares about your individual life my friend, i am sorry to tell you but you are sadly mistaken.

IF YOU WANT PEACE YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR WAR; Winston Churchill