UK captives tell of ill treatment

Originally posted by shots
How would you feel if you one put a cocked gun to your head?

Better then having my legs broken 25 times in one week.

Originally posted by sardion2000
I just love this thread!

Thank you Americans(and their supporters) for blatantly showing your double-standards when it comes to the treatment of prisoners.

You Apologize for the Gitmo abuses yet Condemn these abuses.

For propaganda purposes it doesn't get any better than that.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by sardion2000]

Thank you, oh bleeding hearts, for displaying your hipocrisy.

If I remember correctly, amnesty international complained that the Gitmo prisoners were being abused because they were deprived sleep, heavily interrogated, threatened with weapons, locked in cold icky dungeon holes, and made to hold physically demanding positions.

yet when Iran does pretty much the same thing to western soldiers, you all wax and coo about how kind and civilized the Iranians are.

>>>yawn

Originally posted by selfless
Why yes, the red cross is present to make sure the prisoners who are being tortured don't die so they can torture them more afterwards.

Real compassionate.

Oh really? Where did you read that?

Someone's been watching too much CNN, i won't name names.

But if you know who you are then maybe something will click in your minds.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by selfless
Why yes, the red cross is present to make sure the prisoners who are being tortured don't die so they can torture them more afterwards.

Real compassionate.

Oh really? Where did you read that?

Excuse me? what do you think is the purpose of med aids in a place where people are tortured?

Originally posted by brill
Oh don't forget occasional denial of legal representation & tortured you know those little things that might matter.

You can't really compare the two scenarios at all in fact its an insult to the innocent, a few of which we've seen (probably a lot more waiting as well). brill

I never said I agree with everything that the US does to the people held at Gitmo. But people are almost applauding the Iranian government for how "well" they treated them.

They blind folded them
Threatened them
Kept them in solitary confinement

Oh, but like Agit8d said, they clothed and fed them.


The US does all of that too, yet are vilified.

You and I both do not know everything that the US does or what Iran did or did not do.

So it isn't bs propaganda, it is correlation

I for one don't agree that those soldiers should have ever been taken. That being said, once they were taken, did we expect the Iranians to serve them tea and biscuits? Obviously they were going to try and extract information from them, and from the sounds of it, what they experienced was a slap on the wrist compared to what they could have done.

Ill-treated? Well yeah I guess...but seriously...your a soldier for goddsake.

Originally posted by brill

Oh don't forget occasional denial of legal representation & tortured you know those little things that might matter.

You can't really compare the two scenarios at all in fact its an insult to the innocent, a few of which we've seen (probably a lot more waiting as well). I need hip waders to get through your bs propaganda.

Instead we have 15 soldiers who at worst suffered bad food from the sound of it.

brill

And did the RN personnel see anyone from the consulate? Nope. And it is an insult to the innocent? Well, were the sailors and marines found guilty of anything in court? No, so THEY must be innocent.

This eye for an eye attitude ("Well the West does it so we deserve it") is quite frankly ridiculous. Why didn't the Iranians show people the error of their ways by doing all the things people cry out for for the terrorists?

Originally posted by selfless

Excuse me? what do you think is the purpose of med aids in a place where people are tortured?

Um...the people are held at Gitmo for months-years. Most people have medical problems within that span of time.

But you're right, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, solitary confinement, and playing loud music does warrant intense medical care. Those are like cutting off limbs and burning

[edit on 6-4-2007 by RetinoidReceptor]

Originally posted by AMANNAMEDQUEST
They are treated better than captives at Gitmo. I am sure it was scary, but they were not physically harmed.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by AMANNAMEDQUEST]

Prisoners at gitmo do not get there for no reason.if they havnt as yet supported beheadist terrorists they have assisted in blowin up innocent men/women children or proof of there of.please keep your dumb ass propaganda to your barbarian supporters here at ats,thank you

Come on, these people were Marines, they are able to take some mild mistreatment! I mean they weren't exactly beaten black and blue and tortured were they!?

They're soldiers, not bloody kids. Yeah it was misleading of Iran to show pictures of them looking happy when they weren't actually being treated that well. But at least they came out of it with arms to wave and a face able to smile!

The soldiers weren't treated that badly. But we aren't at War with Iran, so they weren't allowed to interrogate them in that way. Particularly because it was an illegal detention.

The fact of the matter is, Iran tried to make out that they treated them with honour and humanity. They didn't. It was a media stunt, it was planned and it was illegal.

When they capture the troops, they quickly set the cameras on them, raised Iranian flags on the British boats and shouted victorious chants. In the interview several weeks ago, Chris Air also alleged that the Iranians have violated Iraqi territory on several occasions, and that is why they were gathering intel on their operations.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by Peyres]

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor

Originally posted by selfless

Excuse me? what do you think is the purpose of med aids in a place where people are tortured?

Um...the people are held at Gitmo for months-years. Most people have medical problems within that span of time.

But you're right, sleep deprivation, waterboarding, solitary confinement, and playing loud music does warrant intense medical care. Those are like cutting off limbs and burning

[edit on 6-4-2007 by RetinoidReceptor]

Wait so, are you saying no one was tortured at gitmo?

Is that what you are saying?

huh????

I agree with ImpliedChaos and Agitat8dChop. They where prisoners so you do isolate them, that way they can't collaborate and tell the same story, it makes sense. They weren't beaten or tortured, so what is the big deal?

Posted a few minutes ago on Yahoo



Sorry but I for one do not believe that for one minute.

People have commited suicide while being in guantanamo i don't see these 15 sailors doing the same over there ordeal somehow.

Originally posted by Xfile

Originally posted by AMANNAMEDQUEST
They are treated better than captives at Gitmo. I am sure it was scary, but they were not physically harmed.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by AMANNAMEDQUEST]

Prisoners at gitmo do not get there for no reason.if they havnt as yet supported beheadist terrorists they have assisted in blowin up innocent men/women children or proof of there of.please keep your dumb ass propaganda to your barbarian supporters here at ats,thank you

Wow you are being harsh to someone who just said the truth.

How about you keep your propaganda that everyone other then US are terrorists, X file.

And I'm surprised you didn't get a warning for your comments.

Originally posted by shots
Posted a few minutes ago on Yahoo

"We were blindfolded, our hands were bound and we were forced up against a wall. Throughout our ordeal we faced constant psychological pressure," Carman said. "All of us were kept in isolation. We were interrogated most nights and presented with two options. If we admitted that we'd strayed, we'd be on a plane to (Britain) pretty soon. If we didn't, we faced up to seven years in prison."

Within hours of the news conference, Iranian state television said the British military had "dictated" to its sailors what to say.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Sorry but I for one do not believe that for one minute.

Doesn't mean it didn't happen though none of us where at the debrief's they got from the British Embassy and British Military.

Originally posted by selfless

Wait so, are you saying no one was tortured at gitmo?

Is that what you are saying?

huh????

The good thing about messageboards is that you can reread what somebody wrote.

So reread it.

the big deal is that the detention was illegal, and the soldeirs were hostages and not POW's, so they were not allowed to be treated in that manner.

The Iranians also consistently claimed that they were treating them properly, and had the cheek to offer them gifts and suits at the end for the camera. The Iranians forced the soldiers to lie, and don't even get me started on the letters and the general treatment of Faye Turney.