Some Moslems Expect the Mahdi (Moslem Messiah) to Return (March 21, 2007)

I'll say this much for you Speakeroftruth, at least you are one step ahead of many people who don't even realize that we are on the verge of a global transformation. At least you know things are not going to be "business as usual" for much longer. Some people won't even admit to global warming. As the prophecy says, "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Be back later. I have some tax work to tend to.

Originally posted by SkyWay
I'll say this much for you Speakeroftruth, at least you are one step ahead of many people who don't even realize that we are on the verge of a global transformation. At least you know things are not going to be "business as usual" for much longer. Some people won't even admit to global warming. As the prophecy says, "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Be back later. I have some tax work to tend to.

I appreciate the compliment.

You are right. Many are in the dark when it comes to, at least to me,the fact that we are at the cusp of something huge. There are many who are afraid, but I don't think they really comprehend the magnitude of what is happening.

Again, I think it's all in relation to what people have always expected the "end" to be like, as opposed to how it really is. The bible is quite clear when it states that there will be a "great deception." I personally think the deception is the fact that the "end" is occurring right under our noses and most don't even really realize it!!

I am not saying that supernatural events will not occur,they are and have been for quite sometime every day. However, they are not generally as overt as many interpreters of scripture seem to imply they are. Most supernatural events happens to us individually and not to the masses. Now, if you want to get into the Marian apparitions and such that is a whole other issue.

I suppose what I am saying is that perhaps the Mahdi has come. We don't know. I am certainly not going to downplay what the people of the Islamic faith expected just because it didn't occur "with a shout" from heaven. I still would like for someone to explain to me what that is supposed to mean.



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with a shout" from heaven.

I think:
Megaphone - Thunder - Roar like a boom.. Somthing.

Or - Maybe it is the message of some kind - shouting inside peoples minds - in one way - perhaps a wake up call/shout.

Or a burst of solar flares - Vulcanic eruption.. Or God as being Alien - speaks from a spaceship...
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Shout could also mean message. - Big message -
perhaps because of the change of the Zodiac...

Or maybe Gravity forces of some kind.

Or the atomic blast.

- That is what i can think of.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
You are right. Many are in the dark when it comes to, at least to me,the fact that we are at the cusp of something huge. There are many who are afraid, but I don't think they really comprehend the magnitude of what is happening.

Many folks are too distracted by the cares and entertainments of this world. This is why they are "in the dark" about the signs that herald the coming change.

Again, I think it's all in relation to what people have always expected the "end" to be like, as opposed to how it really is. The bible is quite clear when it states that there will be a "great deception." I personally think the deception is the fact that the "end" is occurring right under our noses and most don't even really realize it!!

It is not so much that things are not happening as people expected them to happen...it's that people aren't expecting ANYTHING to happen. Many are indeed decieved, and that deception is coming, in great part, through the mainstream media which keeps pouring out a false picture of the state of the world. Many serious things are happening which are never presented to the public by the media or, if they are reported, they are mentioned only briefly...once... and never again.

I am not saying that supernatural events will not occur,they are and have been for quite sometime every day. However, they are not generally as overt as many interpreters of scripture seem to imply they are. Most supernatural events happens to us individually and not to the masses. Now, if you want to get into the Marian apparitions and such that is a whole other issue.

Those personal mystical experiences that some people have are not the same as the prophecies of "overt" supernatural events that will be experienced by many simultaneously. You seem to be misinterpreting the personal mystical experiences of people for the public supernatural experiences that have been prophecied. It is a mistake to think that many of the supernatural experiences that have been private and individual are the same ones prophecied in the Bible, and that they are being fulfilled in a personal, smaller way, rather than in the more spectacular public way that many expect. They are two different things. The big ones are yet to come, and judging by the signs, the time of their fulfillment is near.

I suppose what I am saying is that perhaps the Mahdi has come. We don't know. I am certainly not going to downplay what the people of the Islamic faith expected just because it didn't occur "with a shout" from heaven. I still would like for someone to explain to me what that is supposed to mean.

Perhaps you are correct. Maybe the Mahdi has already arrived in secret. Yet, even if he has already come in secret, it does not mean that he will not make his presence known, in a more grand and public way, to all others at some other time in the future. In other words, the Mahdi may have come and made himself known to only a few for now, then will reveal himself to everyone else, in the manner they expect -- with a great shout! -- at some time in the future.

Appearing with a shout does not mean necessarily that a loud voice will thunder from the heavens and announce that the Mahdi has arrived. To appear with a shout can mean, more generally, any kind of spectacular appearance. It may be that the "shout" refers to a bright light that appears around the Mahdi and declares to everyone who sees him that he is an extraordinary individual.

Originally posted by Ram
with a shout" from heaven.

I think:
Megaphone - Thunder - Roar like a boom.. Somthing.

Or - Maybe it is the message of some kind - shouting inside peoples minds - in one way - perhaps a wake up call/shout.

I was kind of thinking along those lines as well. Although,SkyWay also said something that is possible.

SkyWay stated:

Appearing with a shout does not mean necessarily that a loud voice will thunder from the heavens and announce that the Mahdi has arrived. To appear with a shout can mean, more generally, any kind of spectacular appearance. It may be that the "shout" refers to a bright light that appears around the Mahdi and declares to everyone who sees him that he is an extraordinary individ

It's quite possible that this may happen as well. I just can't buy into the whole "thunderous voice from the heavens bit," though. I mean, I guess a comet or something could come in close to earth prior to the "Madhi's return" and that could be viewed asa "shout from the heavens," but how many would catch on to it? Not many, because once again it would be contrary to what most would expect.



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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
It's quite possible that this may happen as well. I just can't buy into the whole "thunderous voice from the heavens bit," though. I mean, I guess a comet or something could come in close to earth prior to the "Madhi's return" and that could be viewed asa "shout from the heavens," but how many would catch on to it? Not many, because once again it would be contrary to what most would expect.

Whether you accept it or not is entirely up to you. You may be in for a BIG surprise when it happens!

Originally posted by SkyWay
Whether you accept it or not is entirely up to you. You may be in for a BIG surprise when it happens!

I have a feeling a bunch of people are going to be in for a lot of surprises over the next five years. I am sure that I will be surprised by many things as well. I am not infallible by any means. :shk:

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by SkyWay
Whether you accept it or not is entirely up to you. You may be in for a BIG surprise when it happens!

I have a feeling a bunch of people are going to be in for a lot of surprises over the next five years. I am sure that I will be surprised by many things as well. I am not infallible by any means. :shk:

About the only One who will not be surprised will be the Lord Himself! Even the angels don't know exactly when these prophecies will be manifested.

Yeah most muslims believe only god knows the future, therefore this belief about march 21st is invalid.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Yeah most muslims believe only god knows the future, therefore this belief about march 21st is invalid.

I agree completely that only God knows the future. However, He can reveal the future to whomever He wishes when it suits His purpose.

Originally posted by SkyWay
I agree completely that only God knows the future. However, He can reveal the future to whomever He wishes when it suits His purpose.

Well, considering the promises of God, there will be those who will know and those who will not. I am assuming that is relating more to the signs than it is the actual events,but..... nonetheless, that's what I understand.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by SkyWay
I agree completely that only God knows the future. However, He can reveal the future to whomever He wishes when it suits His purpose.

Well, considering the promises of God, there will be those who will know and those who will not.

This is very true. The Lord is very selective in whom He chooses for His prophets. The rest of us have to do our best to understand the prophecies.

This is what Jordan Maxwell talks about -


If you have no idea who Jordan maxwell is - he is posted on page five (5)In this thread - that you ignored - because you think it's off topic..

Saturn hexagon

It does not get more super natural than this...


This is the force - Messiah - is the bloddy sun... affecting this sign on Saturn...

(sorry) again.

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it's just weird - okay?

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I do think that the hexagon that recently showed up on Saturn is a sign of things. I am krunk over it. Standby people... God is going to take back what is his... HUMANITY!!

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lol. It is kinda far-fetched to involve some spiritual enlightenment from an anomely however I must give in that there definetely is something happening over there that has to do with the black sun worship. I hope god is smiting or this sign is perhaps the works of darkness.. Hey Ram, where can I find JMs work on this?

/7A

Originally posted by 7Ayreon
lol. It is kinda far-fetched to involve some spiritual enlightenment from an anomely /7A

All depends on how anomalus you think the anomaly is. I personally don't view it as something that is just happenstance...There are no coincidences. Everything,yes,I said everything has rhyme and reason.

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I dunno which video... I looked through all the videos on google video the other day - And he mention that Saturn...
The sign of Saturn is that star thing that fits inside a hexagon..

or was it pentagram... .?
sry it's new information for me - I might be wrong.
I think he said the Israel star...and you know the stars american flag .. fits inside a pentagon.. somthing..

I try look for it. Hey im sorry guys - im only human here.. This is interresting.. lets figure this stuff out

it's the sign of Saturn..!! Nazi power somthing..weird occult hidden ..

Occult means "hidden"

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SpeakerofTruth it's good you have a BS-Monitor built in.. keep it on.

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Notice The Hexagons

there is a triangle inside the rotating hexagon..


Notice the triangle

Notice the triangle


this is a triangle ( )

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