Some Moslems Expect the Mahdi (Moslem Messiah) to Return (March 21, 2007)

To think I did all that; And may I say - not in a shy way,
No, oh no not me,
I did it my way.

For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels -And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!

Well - the sign of a new zodiac is comming each 2000 year I think Gordon Maxwell said..

When he said that - he showed it so clear with he's language that I actually saw the sun and the zodiac behind it - I might wanna make a 3D illustration of it later.

It's all - original An - Astro-logical message.

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Sorry I edited it same tiem you awnsered.. Talk about cordination

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Originally posted by Ram
To think I did all that; And may I say - not in a shy way,
No, oh no not me,
I did it my way.

For what is a man, what has he got? If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels -And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!

God's way is better.

SkyWay, while I'll say that you initial premise for your thread was interesting. There is only so much that can be said for this expected return of a so-called "Mahdi." Given that people on this board probably has limited knowledge about Islam,I know that is indeed the case for me, it is to be expected that people are going to relate the suject in terms that are more familiar to him/her.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
SkyWay, while I'll say that you initial premise for your thread was interesting. There is only so much that can be said for this expected return of a so-called "Mahdi." Given that people on this board probably has limited knowledge about Islam,I know that is indeed the case for me, it is to be expected that people are going to relate the suject in terms that are more familiar to him/her.

Some of those more familiar view are quite far-removed from the subject of the Mahdi's return. So far removed that they are completely irrelevent.

im sorry about that - I got what i needed to know and im really happy about it..
To make this thread continue - I would like to know what mahdi means.


in LATIN perhaps..

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With all the major events happening in the Middle East it is almost mandatory to familiarize ourselves with the beliefs of the people in that part of the world in order to better understand what drives them. The Mahdi is a major force behind what is happening in that area, whether he has returned or not. And if the Mahdi is this big of a driving force before he has even returned, think how much more power will be in his hands when he appears. Prophecy is coming true right before our eyes.

Originally posted by SkyWay
Some of those more familiar view are quite far-removed from the subject of the Mahdi's return. So far removed that they are completely irrelevent.

Not to be blunt, but many don't even believe in this so-called "Mahdi." Like I said earlier,I am not certain that Islam is not a false religion,so...anything they say I tend to take with a grain of salt. Muslims claim that this "Mahdi" has to come before the messiah, I don't see why one would honestly think a messiah needs a prerequisite. It don't really jive with me.

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Originally posted by Ram
im sorry about that - I got what i needed to know and im really happy about it..
To make this thread continue - I would like to know what mahdi means.


in LATIN perhaps..

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The answer to your question is in the thread's title.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by SkyWay
Some of those more familiar view are quite far-removed from the subject of the Mahdi's return. So far removed that they are completely irrelevent.

Not to be blunt, but many don't even believe in this so-called "Mahdi." Like I said earlier,I am not certain that Islam is not a false religion,so...anything they say I tend to take with a grain of salt. Muslims claim that this "Mahdi" has to come before the messiah, I don't see why one would honestly think a messiah needs a prerequisite. It don't really jive with me.

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You don't need to believe in the Mahdi to learn about him. Besides, whether you believe or not has no bearing on whether it is true or not.

Originally posted by SkyWay
You don't need to believe in the Mahdi to learn about him. Besides, whether you believe or not has no bearing on whether it is true or not.

SkyWay, not to be arrogant, but generally, I don't know, but generally my discernment is pretty accurate.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by SkyWay
You don't need to believe in the Mahdi to learn about him. Besides, whether you believe or not has no bearing on whether it is true or not.

SkyWay, not to be arrogant, but generally, I don't know, but generally my discernment is pretty accurate.

So is the discernment of many Moslems. Besides, wouldn't you agree that it is rather difficult to objectively assess our own abilities?

It may well be that the Moslems are correct and the Mahdi will return soon. Who would know better than the people who have devoted themselves to the study of Islam whether the Mahdi's return is imminent? People who are unfamiliar with Islam are probably not as qualified as Moslems to accurately determine what is true or not in that belief system.

Originally posted by SkyWay
People who are unfamiliar with Islam are probably not as qualified as Moslems to accurately determine what is true or not in that belief system.

That's true. I am not saying that it won't happen. I am just saying that I have my doubts. I certainly cannot make the claim of never being wrong because I have been wrong more often than I care to admit.

However, if one is going to make the claim that the "Mahdi" hasn't returned just because it hasn't happened the way that he/she expects it to happen, "With a loud shout," whatever that means, then the whole thing must be questioned. Things seldom happen the way that we expect them, and that is the weakness of the literalist's interpretation of religious scripture/literature.

I am a Christian by the way...not a Moslem. However, I do see the expectations of the Moslems as fitting very neatly together with the expectations of Chrisitians, with regard to the fulfillment of prophecies. The signs that indicate the return of Jesus seem to be synchronized very closely with the signs that herald the return of the Mahdi, and this is just what the Moslems have believed would happen for millenia. This seems more than coincidence. It's almost as though current events in the Middle East had been scripted according to the prophecies in the Bible.

Be back later.

This seems more than coincidence. It's almost as though current events in the Middle East had been scripted according to the prophecies in the Bible.

Naturally they are going to coincide. They are both Abrahamic faiths. It wouldn't make sense for both the Christian and Muslim religions to originate out of Judaism and be completely different from one another. Although, I don't see Islam having quite as much in common with Christianity as you seem to be transposing on it. Christianity is a religion,I am talking about TRUE Christianity, of love. I don't see that emerging from the Islamic faith at all. Islam claims to be the religion of "peace." Yet, TRUE christianity and Buddhism are much more peaceful than Islam ever has been throughout its existence.



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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Naturally they are going to coincide. They are both Abrahamic faiths. It wouldn't make sense for both the Christian and Muslim religions to originate out of Judaism and be completely different from one another. Although, I don't see Islam having quite as much in common with Christianity as you seem to be transposing on it. Christianity is a religion,I am talking about TRUE Christianity, of love. I don't see that emerging from the Islamic faith at all. Islam claims to be the religion of "peace." Yet, TRUE christianity and Buddhism are much more peaceful than Islam ever has been throughout its existence.

Whether the Moslem and Christian faiths coincide in some of their prophetic elements due to the same roots in Abrahimic faith or not, the point is that the signs that are to herald the arrival of the Mahdi and of Christ are becoming increasingly manifest. This is confirmation that they are true. There are even some Jews who are convinced that the prophet Elijah will return soon, and this too, is supposed to occur just before the return of Christ.

I recall reading something about a spotless red heifer that was recently born in Israel which is supposed to be a sign of the imminent return of Elijah. Everything is coming together, even in unrelated religions, that indicate the of this age is near. Some Native American prophecies concerning the birth of white buffalo have recently been fulfilled. These are not albinos, but actual white buffalos. So, there are currently many signs coinciding that herald the end of this age.

Better get right with God my brother, for moment of truth is upon us.

Oh,SkyWay,I am not doubting that we are living in an age that will mark the "end." I do believe that. I just don't necessarily think it will happen the way everyone thinks. I think what most people are expecting and what will actually occur are two separate things. As far as whether or not we are living in the days of the "end" or not, to me, that is not even a matter of debate.I believe we are.

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Oh,SkyWay,I am not doubting that we are living in an age that will mark the "end." I do believe that. I just don't necessarily think it will happen the way everyone thinks. I think what most people are expecting and what will actually occur are two separate things. As far as whether or not we are living in the days of the "end" or not, to me, that is not even a matter of debate.I believe we are.

Although expectations by some people may not be exactly what will transpire, they are, for the most part, the correct form that the events will take. It may be difficult for some people to believe the descriptions of the manner in which events will unfold, but that says more about their limited understanding of the power of the Divine Creator. What God can do surpasses anything man can imagine.

Originally posted by SkyWay

Although expectations by some people may not be exactly what will transpire, they are, for the most part, the correct form that the events will take. It may be difficult for some people to believe the descriptions of the manner in which events will unfold, but that says more about their limited understanding of the power of the Divine Creator. What God can do surpasses anything man can imagine.

I don't know if I even agree with the "for the most part" statement. While I certainly do think that things will happen that are drastically severe. I think that most prophecies have to be put into the context of the mindframe of the prophet delivering them. The ancients didn't have tanks, planes, guns, et cetera. All of these items would have seemed very bizarre and frightening to the mind of the ancient prophet. So...there you have it. Then you add the wild imaginings of modern man to the mix and boy, ... you have quite a picture, not one that is necessarily true either.

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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I don't know if I even agree with the "most part" statement. While I certainly do think that things will happen that are drastically severe. I think that most prophecies have to be put into the context of the mindframe of the prophet delivering them. The ancients didn't have tanks, planes, guns, et cetera. All of these items would have seemed very bizarre and frightening to the mind of the ancient prophet. So...there you have it. Then you add the wild imaginings of modern man to the mix and boy, ... you have quite a picture, not one that is necessarily true either.

Obviously, you and I do not agree on many things. Which of us has a more accurate expectation of coming events will be proven in the near future. I know that some things are as frightening for some people today to contemplate as they may have been for prophets in the past. I think people today tend to put things into terms that are familiar to themselves, so, many of the prophecies that have been handed down to us are rearranged into mechanical and technological forms that they can understand. The supernatural eludes them.

When the ancients speak of clouds of angels and shouts from Heaven and Christ descending from above they are not referring to Jesus descending in some kind of flying saucer or television broadcast announcing to the world the arrival of God or the Mahdi or the prophet Elijah. Those are just a veneer that people today throw over supernatural events because they cannot understand such events in any other way.