finally real pics of NAZI UFOs!

I'll be honest, the Germans did have a bright idea with swept wing aircraft, but their attempts at jet propulsion was not that significant. Most models required a disposable undercarriage because when the engines turned on, it was all out. Standard landing gear was determined, eventually, not strong enough.
This design led to the need for very specific runway requirements, which were easily countered with a few well-placed crater bombs. If they had only borrowed from earlier attempts at rocketing, in the 1930's, concerning throttling, it would have been an entirely different picture.

It's also interesting to note the flight crews were entirely voluntary, due to highly unpredictable flight, leading many to be cautious.

The most fascinating thing i've read about these ufos was, that they were experimenting with dimension tunnels, to reach the planet where the Arians live, they sent a disc out and as it came back it looked like it was on the way like 100 years.
Were the nazis going in space with the discs???

Interesting photos...

One thing that stands out with a few of these designs is that they appear to be aerodynamically unstable. Most modern aircraft with 'futuristic' shapes would fall out of the sky but for the immense computer power stabilising the craft in real time. The high tech sensors and computational power that makes this possible was simply not available in WW2, and I would be sceptical about some of these designs making a flight and remaining in one piece.

well they did make their flight discs stable later, the Haunebu I II III were going in series 1945!

If you people were to really do some research into the Luftwaffe films submitted by the thread author - as I did, you'd come up with some really interesting titbits.

www.galactic-server.com...

galactic2.net...

hiddenmysteries.com...

All I do is read what others have posted, go to the links and pick out salient bits then do a web related search.

It's amazing what you can dig up.

Some more links I found related to the above subject:

www.blacksunjournal.com...

www.crystalinks.com...

www.crystalinks.com...

www.crystalinks.com...

www.crystalinks.com...

My advice to you all? Enjoy - but browse all links with an open mind - free of prejudice - otherwise, your mind will not accept what has been hidden from you, from the beginning.

Originally posted by StellarX
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A few dozen anti grav UFOs with particle beam weapons would not have saved Germany in 1945 as the bomber campaign were the least of German worries by mid-1944 with divisions being lost by the dozen on the East front.

you are right in a way and very wrong in a strategic sense.


you don't need to kill equipment and men on the front while fully deployed - that's what the germans originally excelled at - it's far cheaper to do it before stuff even enters the factory, like the allies did, enroute, say aboard ships...which killed Japan's war economy and curtailed their fleet's mobility.


but to put it more clearly, not a single USSR convoy would have survived against this kind of weapon system, not one, fuel oil storage around the world (and tankers!) would have been fair game. you can't intercept it, it can land anywhere, its cannon rivals a naval gun and acts instantaneously, this thing would have been a true killer (you'd only need bombs tbh). that's *before* thinkng of strategic reconnaisance! can you imagine what war would be like if you had continuous long range surveillance without the enemy's knowledge? like 'Ultra' just better.

The Allies spent more time and effort on developing B-29 (and B-36) bombers than on the nuke project for one reason only: to have the strategic advantage of extremely long reach. this UFO would have had global range and serious payload (by nature of antigrav tech) if i understand it correctly as well as DEWs, don't you think you would emphasize the effort above all other projects, like the 6 engined 'america bomber' f-ex.? - at best a toy compared to a large flying disk.

it does not add up. true, subs loaded with dozens of tons of mercury, among other things, make me wonder, but if these UFOs are real, then they MUST be flown by another power or completely independent splinter fraction. truth is stranger than fiction, though and the 'flying disc' isse is afaics, a real one, it's the tip of a very dark iceberg, apparently and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's been going on, like forever.

i'll mention one event which i *think* is part of this deadly secret:

Tunguska

I grabbed a few screen shots of the "UFOs" that I could find from the links Nightwolf posted at the start of this thread...


This first one could be real I think.




Not too sure about this one though - something about it's shape/proportions between the "skirt" and "turret" just doesn't look right to me. This is probably "fake" IMO.




This next one also does not look quite right to me... notice on the right, how the skirt's slope down does not match that on the left - it does not look symmetrical. Part of the "UFO" looks like it has collapsed - "fake" IMO. Seems to be a bunch of old junk cobbled together to make a saucer shape - perhaps a sculpture even ?!




Lastly, this one, which I think is the most obvious "fake" of the lot. Notice how the lower saucer part/skirt looks as though it is a separate object (or perhaps craft) that appears to be in front of what appears to be a turret of some sort. The turret is much darker, and the outline of the object in front of it is clearly visible, and if you look closely where the skirt meets the darker turret, on the right, once again, it does not match the symmetry on the left, where the lighter colored object in front appears to continue on with out a downward slope which would indicate a true "saucer" shape.




In this crop of the above screen shot, I've enhanced the area in question to make it stand out a bit more.


So, like at least 2 of the other "UFOs" from those videos, I think these are mostly (with the exception of the first one I posted above - which could be anything) just un-usual perspectives of various military spare-parts, junk and/or experimental craft, taken at photographic angles which make them appear to be "saucers".

I don't really think the Germans managed to make a "UFO" that could fly, but, just as they tried (and failed) to make an atomic bomb, I think they were also trying to make anti-gravity propulsion systems. Some of these photos might be of scale models produced early on to work out the shape of the craft, but even for those purposes, my feeling is they look a bit too clumsy...


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Cannabalistic Humanoid Undergrou....well, I watch a lot of B movies.

Anyway,
Your obvservations are astute, and noted.

Btw, welcome to ATS !!

Lex

German science and engineering was way ahead of its time. Lots of reasons to think these filmed craft are real. At least for me. Not nice to call people ignorant apes.

true but if you look in the second batch of youtube vids i posted earlier one of them shows disc photos that have been zoomed in for a closer look and you can clearly see the black cross and the trademark markings of the SS on the underbelly of 2 of the discs

I think most are real. A couple are fakes, some photoshopped(though meant to be as examples from diff websites/specials), the bulk should be able to remain questionable-I wish to believe personally at least some of it is real. One is the Adamski craft, which is interesting because Adamski claims the aliens had a German accent of sorts. The Adamski craft also resembles the dated Nazi pictures AND is from a separate source. This means either Adamski was a victim of disinformation or he was spreading disinformation for the government using Aliens as a cover-up for the true origin of most saucers--the UNDEFEATED Nazis....he had a CIA clearance.
They supposedly "make contact" only because the ships need a couple of minutes to recharge before takeoff-I only recently question some of the newer shots as one hoaxer(of CERTAIN PICTURES-not the bulk-I know exactly which ones he is refering to-and even if they are, it prolly has nothing to do with him anyway) claims to have come forward-but he may just be a troublemaker around the forums. The story is this technology (most of it-the U.S. retrieved some craft, some intentionally destroyed craft, and many Nazi scientists((some which even went into Nasa,Operation Paperclip.)) and hundreds of U-boats went to the Antarctic. Nazi "land claiming poles”, for lack of a better word, were found at the bases of Antarctica, you can hunt for those pictures, I haven't seen them in a while.
The U.S. sent a war machines over for "testing" and came back defeated.
Also, British troops were supposedly supposed to have blown up a part of the complex-but I was never to sure about that story.
Edit: You have to remember the Nazi's had to preserve the Aryan race, maybe they never totally lost.



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I'm optimistic that the discs pictured are real. the third disc in the screenshot ciould be real. Sometimes a camera can make an object especially circular objects loo diffrent on one side then the other but of course im not an expert in photoshop but from what i have seen especially the 2nd screenshot where the disc is on the truck the disc seems to match the truck(obviously) but it does not appear to have any evidence that it was digitally placed there ( it matches too perfectly) also film technology at that time was good but it was not perfect. I have seen some of the more obviously photoshopped pictures and renderings on other websites and to me the screen shots especially 1 and 2 look real to me

This thread is an excellent place to bring up something I saw on the History Channel, which I found fascinating. Hitler, at one point, was claimed to have either been trying to contact, or had made contact with, alien species.

I don't recall the name of the show, but it was speculated this was an effort to explain their superiority. Which was brought on by being selected the higher form of this World. This was an offering to those who would not take the Pagan view that it was their Destiny.

Does anyone have better evidencing of this other than upside down hats, or tank wells being hauled? I'm curious to see if this might relate to his meth induced state of extreme paranoia, and over-implicated grander.

[edit on 3/19/2007 by bothered]

Did you think off the consequences off this at the end of world war two?
It is said the allies took all the material too keep it well hidden from any publicity.

Maybe AREA51 was were they tested them???
Over Area51 often "lights" were spotted, there were some Disc types of the Nazis who actually emit lights in various colours, according to the reports.

You don't have to wonder why Nasa is not working on new types of Space Shuttles really, just think about it !

Hey, I just sought of a recap of a show I saw on the Luftwaffe on the tale end of WW2. It covered the use of wooden aircraft, and its viability to slip much sought after metal throughout the diminishing empire.
Within the footage, I'm sure I saw a UFO. Although, it could have been the shellacked SS symbol peeling off in the scurry. HaHa. Lighten up, it's just a joke.

www.youtube.com...
i know of 2 really good nazi videos, have to find them. i found this one on the tube today(the essential story), will try to find some better ones.
(i love the cheesy production values)



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I'm just curious now, for the sake of curiosity. Does anyone have an opinion to offer why the Reich did NOT succeed for the predicted 1000 yrs.?

I mean seriously, all this well-advanced equipment, and they fell, estimated to be within 2 years of the onset of the war. The might have hit too rapid of an expansion, I don't know. All I do know is, they lost.

Originally posted by Long Lance
you are right in a way and very wrong in a strategic sense.

You have accused me of that in the past and you have seemingly forgotten how that turned out.

you don't need to kill equipment and men on the front while fully deployed -

Serious? You mean you can do something like 'strategic bombing'? OMG. If i had not the recourse of sarcasm....

that's what the germans originally excelled at - it's far cheaper to do it before stuff even enters the factory, like the allies did, enroute, say aboard ships...

The Germans had the war against the USSR won in six weeks and no amount of shifting factories to the Urals or wherever could in fact had won them the war if Hitler did not choose to lose it by misdirecting Army group center.

which killed Japan's war economy and curtailed their fleet's mobility.

Japan had no war economy or economy to speak of anyways and frankly Japan could never build enough of anything to win that war with; they were going to win it with what they had up to say the end of 1942 and that's about it.

but to put it more clearly, not a single USSR convoy would have survived against this kind of weapon system, not one, fuel oil storage around the world (and tankers!) would have been fair game.

Well we do not know if these UFOs in fact had weapon systems at all and it's not logical to assume that because they made breakthroughs in one field that they could also operate weapons on those aircraft or had found ways to aim such weapons. You are the one leaping the conclusions without even giving us a date and number of UFOs with which types of weapons could have possible shut down the North Atlantic trade routes better than a much larger deployment of regular Luftwaffe strike planes could. Would these UFOs be able to operate in that bad weather any better than regular planes? Could the support facilities be built in Norway? Frankly it is all speculation ( mine included) but if you want to shoot down theories your going to have to do more than just raise objections without merit.

you can't intercept it,

Why not? Why can't you bomb it when it lands to rearm or 'refuel' or just to bring a new rested crew aboard? Jet aircraft were certainly much faster but they were still shot down or lost in landing accidents or while attempting to land/take off...

it can land anywhere,

And do what? Where does the crew rest and where does the ammunition or supplies comes from? Why do we think it can land anywhere? Can it stand dust and dirt as well as regular planes?

its cannon rivals a naval gun and acts instantaneously,

Evidence? Why not consider that the Luftwaffe could have deployed cannon armed jet fighters in late 43 in strategically significant number had someone not decided that jet fighters were not required? Where is the evidence that these were fighters or bombers or in fact had any means of self defense?

this thing would have been a true killer (you'd only need bombs tbh). that's *before* thinkng of strategic reconnaisance! can you imagine what war would be like if you had continuous long range surveillance without the enemy's knowledge? like 'Ultra' just better.

How do you observe enemy movements while moving at a thousand km/ph lacking modern equipment? Could they in fact do that and did they need such recon assets considering how good their regular units were? Would a strategic asset best be deployed in that way?

The Allies spent more time and effort on developing B-29 (and B-36) bombers than on the nuke project for one reason only: to have the strategic advantage of extremely long reach.

They in fact spent so much effort on that because they released that a invasion against a European Hegemon in Germany would have been a pointless bloodbath. The Bomber campaign almost failed anyways and had Hitler not been so interested in losing the war it probably would have.

this UFO would have had global range and serious payload (by nature of antigrav tech) if i understand it correctly as well as DEWs,

And i suppose we have somehow moved into the realm of facts here? Feel free to introduce some if you please as i have not seen the evidence that proves or even begins to seriously support that.

don't you think you would emphasize the effort above all other projects,

Like they did the Jet bomber over the Jet fighter? Where is the evidence that Germany's ( mostly Hitlers ) strategic planning were that good? In 1941 he managed to lose the war by misdirecting the German army so why do we assume such wondrous things about his long term planning for fighting the USA?

like the 6 engined 'america bomber' f-ex.? - at best a toy compared to a large flying disk.

If the disk could work and disks could be built in significant numbers? What sort of strategic materials were required for this construction and how many could be built per year given a certain percentage of GDP expenditure? Could Germany in 1944 afforded to build more than 1 or even 10? Did they have have the weapons technology to make that construction worth their while? Why not possible build a thousand Panther tanks or 200 FW-190's that had both proved themselves up to the task? If these aircraft were not deployed in large numbers or employed why should we assume they were not built or could not in fact fly? To argue that operational models did not exist because Germany lost the war is at best a stupid remark.

it does not add up. true, subs loaded with dozens of tons of mercury, among other things, make me wonder,

And where were they going? Where did all the looted gold go? Where did Hitler go and by what means? All good questions that might or might not prove anything about German UFO's. This should be a question of logic and logic does not rule out German operational anti-grav planes any more than it does German nuclear weapons ( which i believed they had) in very late stages of construction and possible just waiting for mating.

but if these UFOs are real, then they MUST be flown by another power or completely independent splinter fraction.

Why? Why do we need such factions ( presumably from another planet as goes the mob logic) when we have all the know how right here on planet Earth? Anti-gravity is nothing new ( notice how they don't even talk about it in military circle's just like the USSR stopped talking about particle beam and laser weapons in the early 70's) and if anything i am quite confident that at least two or three countries now operate such craft each doing so in significant numbers. Logic dictates that it is far more likely that you are seeing Russian anti-grav craft in American skies than Alien one's and while I'm not going to attempt to prove that it's pretty much what i believe to be the case.

truth is stranger than fiction,

Abundantly obvious to serious investigators of reality.

though and the 'flying disc' isse is afaics, a real one, it's the tip of a very dark iceberg, apparently and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's been going on, like forever.

i'll mention one event which i *think* is part of this deadly secret:

Tunguska

I hardly think Tunguska needs to be explained by such means but the rest i can easily agree with.

Lets agree more and disagree less in the future? That is probably best achieved my giving me ( you can start with just a little more if you wish) somewhat more credit than you did here!

Stellar

Originally posted by bothered
I'm just curious now, for the sake of curiosity. Does anyone have an opinion to offer why the Reich did NOT succeed for the predicted 1000 yrs.?

1000 Years is a aweful long time but i can tell you why Germany did not defeat Britain and the USSR by the end of 1941 and why the cold war was then with the USSR and not Germany...

I mean seriously, all this well-advanced equipment, and they fell, estimated to be within 2 years of the onset of the war.

I don't think anyone here i suggesting that Germany had the means to win the war by UFO in 1943 or 1944... As is evident by Hitlers antics he would probably have found a way to waste the advantage anyways which might be the case if anyone can prove these anti grav ( or whatever) platforms were in fact factual and deployable in any significant sense ( having five with 1 .50 cal machine gun each does not win wars) by say mid late 1943 when i believe Germany still had a marginal change to effect the strategic balance so as to draw out the whole thing for many more years.

The might have hit too rapid of an expansion, I don't know. All I do know is, they lost.

They lost but only because Hitler were apparently ( my opinion as of around the mid 2006) trying so very hard.

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX
You have accused me of that in the past and you have seemingly forgotten how that turned out.

you don't need to kill equipment and men on the front while fully deployed -

Serious? You mean you can do something like 'strategic bombing'? OMG. If i had not the recourse of sarcasm....

which killed Japan's war economy and curtailed their fleet's mobility.

Japan had no war economy or economy to speak of anyways and frankly Japan could never build enough of anything to win that war with; they were going to win it with what they had up to say the end of 1942 and that's about it.

let me introduce the KSK, because, frankly all we got is photos and the KSK is therefore just as credible as the rest:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The early models also attempted to test out a rather large experimental gun installation- the twin 60 mm KSK
(KraftStrahlKanone, Strong Ray Cannon) which operated off the Triebwerk for power. It has been suggested that the ray from this weapon made it a laser, but it was not. The Germans called it an “anachronism” gun - not belonging to that time period or out of place.


When a Vril 7 was downed by the Russians in 1945 a similar underbelly mounted KSK gun was destroyed with debris recovered from the battle site. Postwar the strange metal balls and tungsten spirals that made up
the weapon could not be identified. But recently it has been speculated that the Triebwerk-connected balls
formed cascade oscillators that were connected to a long barrel-shrouded transmission rod wrapped in a
precision tungsten spiral, or coil to transmit a powerful energy burst suitable to pierce up to 4 in (100 mm) of enemy armor. The heavy gun installation, however, badly destabilized the disc and in subsequent Haunebu models lighter MG and MK cannon were supposedly installed.

even without such a toy, the ability to land anywhere would make targetting them a bit harder than destroying jet fighters on the airfield, comparable to targetting V2 vs. V1 sites, and i don't understand why you brush that off as if it was a minor difference.

putting bombs on target will necessarily cripple any opponent, the reson why strategic bombing generally sucked was its poor accuracy combined with concealed or sheltered high value targets (in europe at least ). the fact that germany did not rely much on ships did not help a lot either because chasing locomotives is much harder to boot and they normally don't *sink* (unless they fall off a river bridge), and can therefore be retrieved and restorred with comparable ease.

if you honestly believe the B29 did not make much of a difference, you are missing an important detail, aside from transporting the a-bombs to target, of course: aerial mining.

on a side note: US subs sank more ships with mines than with torpedoes, at a fraction of the cost and at minimal danger to themselves...it's just not sexy and therefore seldom told.

as for the 'no economy' comment, d'uh well they orderd their navy at the nearest hardware store, right, and their notorious lack of fuel had nothing to do with sunk tankers. i'm not debating whether they could have won the war, they had no chance but they could have commited more forces provided their merchant shipping had worked as advertised.

there is no way to guard targets scattered around the globe against an *aircraft*, in the widest sense, with global reach, you can't protect every ship with fighters (as if they could do anything against a UFO with the cited capabilites) and ships are a weak link when you're fighting on one end of the world, producing tons of war material on the other and shipping just as many desperately needed resources in between.


i'm just trying to make some sense of the scenario. the bottom line is that such tech remained unused, for all we know, and if it was used sporadically, it happened on a miniscule scale only. the most plausible reason is that this stuff never existed, of course, if you want to speculate you'll have to come up with sound reasons and claims that VTOL capabilies are irrelevant or that they were probably useless because other systems (namely jet fighters) were vulnerable upon takeoff and landing do not hold water.

if they existed and if the reason for their underuse wasn't technical (in which case they should have still recon'ed D-Day preparations, f-ex. and acted accordingly) in nature, then political reasons would be my next bet, read splinter fractions, vulnerabilty as you implied by your comparison to jet fighters does not square well with the claimed specs, though.


anyways:

Well we do not know if these UFOs in fact had weapon systems at all and it's not logical to assume that because they made breakthroughs in one field that they could also operate weapons on those aircraft or had found ways to aim such weapons. You are the one leaping the conclusions without even giving us a date and number of UFOs with which types of weapons could have possible shut down the North Atlantic trade routes better than a much larger deployment of regular Luftwaffe strike planes could. Would these UFOs be able to operate in that bad weather any better than regular planes? Could the support facilities be built in Norway? Frankly it is all speculation ( mine included) but if you want to shoot down theories your going to have to do more than just raise objections without merit.

all of these points are irrlevant due to two factors, namely endurance and range. whatever the Luftwaffe did, they were limited by range, which means the area they covered was smaller therefore easier to control. if you can freely choose location and time of your attack, weather is less important and any countermeasure quickly becomes ineffective. you can't guard the entire world at the same time, but that's exactly what you'd face if your opponent had these 'vril' disks.


regarding your statement about antigravity craft alledgedly operated by 3 countries, wouldn't they make conventional forces completely obsolete? if yes, why would the situation in WW2 have been compeltely different? the only way to explain the situation, aside form proclaiming it a hoax is the inclusion of segregated circles using the tech against everyone else, isn't it? that said i don't see why you tried to invalidate my notion of 'splinter fractions'.


PS: if i came of as agressive, i apologize, but afaics, saying this kind of tech would not have made a strategic difference is akin to claiming that even a few SSNs operating for kriegsmarine would not have mad much of a difference.