bob lazar a total fraud

Originally posted by johnlear

Originally posted by jra

I do not believe that their is any mining operations taking place on the Moon, so I guess according to you i'm, "stuck in mainstream thought", what ever that means exactly.

I also don't see what supposed images of Lunar mining equipment has to do with Hubble being used as a spy satellite. Besides being similar, unrealistic pieces of fiction that is.

Thanks jra, that helps me decide where to expend my time on ATS. If you can't see the mining operation, then you can't see the space port south of Komonosov and if you can't see that then you are probably not buying into the "Bob Lazar worked on Extraterrestrial Flying Saucers at S-4."

Sooooo...if your not buying into all that there no sense in me prattling on about the second Hubble (whatever it is used for) and other similar, unrealistic pieces of fiction.

I haven't asked you but I would sincerely doubt that you think there is a thriving civilization on Venus.

Where is Komonosov? Do you mean Lomonosov?

Originally posted by classified material
I wish he could go into more detail about what he worked on out at S-4 though. That's another thing that his nay-sayers pin on him.
[edit on 19-3-2007 by classified material]

Is this enough detail for ya?

I mean more detail as far as the propulsion system itself.

Mr. Lear, I'm still looking forward to your response when ever you can post it.

Originally posted by surf911

Where is Komonosov? Do you mean Lomonosov?

Yes, sorry. I usually spell check better than that.

The propulsion system takes up the most space of Lazar's site. Click you way through this, this and this page.

I find something new each time I visit this url.

Originally posted by Thodeph

I find something new each time I visit this url.

Thanks for finding this Thodeph. Now I don't have to wait for Jon Farhat to check in. When you have time click on archives. There are 6 tapes of transcripts transcribed from the interview New Line Cinema did when they were going to make a movie about Bob.

The tapes go into great detail about what went on behind the scenes.

Yeah, I still have to read up on the archives.

So John, do you think the US military has made Lazar an offer he can't refuse lately?

I.e. work for us and shut up, while we execute fake extraterrestrial attack plans with our reverse engineered saucers?

Originally posted by Thodeph
Yeah, I still have to read up on the archives.

So John, do you think the US military has made Lazar an offer he can't refuse lately?

I.e. work for us and shut up, while we execute fake extraterrestrial attack plans with our reverse engineered saucers?

I don't know. But I don't think Bob moved to Albuquerque for the nice weather.

So why havent we heard from the infamous Mr lazar for such along time?

A man with that amount of knowlege should be banging the front door of the white house.

But he only wants to be left alone?

OK, How does this guy go on living day to day with this supposed knowledge he has?? I think it would drive the average person insane!

Yet he is just going on as if nothing ever happened, running his little website and so forth. If I had his supposed knowedge I dont think I could just go to the office every day as if it had some meaning!!??

Oh well thats just me.

Its probably been referred to before but I'll refer to it again, and it probably says it all:

The Bob Lazar Fraud

December 1997
By Stanton Friedman


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Incredible claims have been made about Bob Lazar for years. He supposedly is a physicist with an MS in Physics from MIT and an MS in Electronics from the California Institute of Technology. He was a "Scientist" for Los Alamos National Laboratory, and obtained a job back-engineering UFOs at a very secret site at Area 51 in Nevadathrough Dr. Edward Teller.

Supposedly he figured out how saucers work using Element 115 -- matter/anti-matter, etc. He was able to steal a small quantity of 115 from the 500 pounds available, but this was stolen back. He came forward with his story despite death threats because he thought the public has a right to know. Videotapes are available with his claims.

It is all BUNK.

Not one shred of evidence has been put forth to support this story: No diplomas, no resumes, no transcripts, no memberships in professional organizations, no papers, no pages from MIT or Caltech yearbooks. He also mentioned, in a conversation with me, California State University at Northridge and Pierce Junior College -- also in the San Fernando Valley, California. I checked all four schools. Pierce said he had taken electronics courses in the late 1970s. The other three schools never heard of him.

The page from the Los Alamos Nat'l Lab phone book with Lazar's name on it clearly states that it includes employees of the DOE and outside contractor, Kirk Meyer. "K/M" follows Lazar's name. This proves he worked for K/M, not LANL.

I checked with LANL's personnel department for Lazar's name and that of an old colleague. They found my guy, but not Lazar.

He was publicly asked when he got his MS from MIT. He said "Let me see now, I think it was probably 1982." Nobody getting an MS from MIT would not know the year immediately. He was asked to name some of his profs, He said: "Let's see now, Bill Duxler will remember me from Caltech." I located Duxler. He's a Pierce physics prof, and never taught at Caltech. Lazar was registered in one of his courses at the same time Lazar was supposedly at MIT! Nobody who can go to MIT goes to Pierce JC, not to mention the rather long commute between LA and Cambridge, Mass.

I checked his High School. He graduated in August, not with his class. The only science course he took was chemistry. He ranked 261 out of 369, which is in the bottom third. There is no way he would have been admitted by MIT or Caltech. An MS in Physics from MIT requires a thesis. No such thesis exists at MIT, and he is not on a commencement list.

The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd.

When he declared bankruptcy in the mid 1980s for almost $300,000.00 he listed his occupation as a self-employed film processor. With MS degrees from MIT and Caltech? Caltech would not have accepted him for an MS program if he already had one from MIT.

There is no evidence that any 115 has been created anywhere. Based on what we know about all other elements over #100, it would certainly have been radioactive with a short half life, and 500 pounds could not have been accumulated. His scheme sounds good, but makes no real sense especially in view of how difficult it would be to add protons to #115.

He could not have gotten a Compartmentalized Security clearance having operated a brothel. His W-2 form from the Department of Naval Intelligence totals under $1000.00, at most a week's pay for a scientist. You can't get a security clearance in a week.

Scientists leave trails. Lazar is NOT a scientist. He couldn't even answer scientific questions put to him. An excellent review of Bob's "Physics" can be seen at www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/critiq.htm.

THIS IS PURE BUNK. BUNK. BUNK.

Another piece of the Lazar story that doesn't fit:

In a thread somewhere around here, John Lear made the claim that Lazar has applied for patents on some of the stuff related to the supposed alien tech. However, the patent office has no records of this. I asked John about the patent or application numbers (b/c they are all public record) and was ignored. Until I see anything from the PTO confirming this story, I'll never believe a word of it.

reply to post by keeb333


John Lear ignoring a question that would make him look foolish? Never thought I'd see the day But that's typical John. He must think we are all stupid. He says so many outrageous things, when someone directs a to the point, revealing question to him...well...it doesn't get answered. But he will thank you for your post. All, of course, encouraged by ATS, despite their "Deny Ignorance" motto. More like "Encourage Ignorance", lol.

But yes, Lazar is a fraud. He came up with this story a while back to get himself a little fame and fortune...but found out it was not at all what he bargained for and dropped of the radar (unless the interview is profitable enough for him, lol). I guess he thought that most of the UFO crowd was like the idiot wide eyed believers, or that most of the UFO crowd was like John Lear. But he quickly found out that there is a very small minority of us that have common sense, reason and logic...and will tear apart a fool like him in short order. Only ignorant people still side with Bob Lazar, plain and simple. If you are one of those people....no offense, but your ignorant. (if this does offend you, then please look up the definition of ignorant before you start you typical wide eyed believer crybaby whining tirade)

However, anyone wanna bet that the way ATS is going right now, they would love to give Bob Lazar his own section? I mean, they support John Lear....they would love to have Bob on board....you know, Deny Ignorance. I wonder if Lear would get jealous that his would be getting less attention after they sign up Bob, lol. That's what all these guys crave, if their not actually mentally deluded, is attention from utter nutjobs. And they can get it here in droves, plus the more they get, the more profitable this site it for the amigos. It's a win win situation...except for the little things like the truth, logic, reason and common sense.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by IgnoreTheFacts]

Originally posted by johnlear
But I don't think Bob moved to Albuquerque for the nice weather.

Of course not, it's the tax code (among other, ah, laws and codes) out there that probably attracted him. He is, first and foremost, a business man, concerned with maximizing profits, is he not?

Originally posted by johnlear
If ever Hubble is said to be no longer in use, that means that the civilian one has gone over to strictly military use.

And neither one of them takes very many pictures of space thousands of light years away. They are taking pictures of you.

Another clear indication that you have no understanding of optics, telescopes and astronomy. Should I go find my 10 year old to explain why the Hubble can't reasonably resolve the earths surface (and he could come up with multiple, factual reasons off the top of his head, too)?

Here is one reason, of about 15 I can point out right off the top of my head, why your assumption is based on your total Ignorance is the subject matter (as usual) In the spirit of this sites official motto "Deny" Ignorance" I just want to help keep you from further embarrassing yourself in front of anybody around here with half a brain.

one out of a million reasons you know nothing of optics, astronomy, and basic physics

Also,

The highest resolution instrument currently on HST is the Advanced Camera for Surveys at 0.03 arcsec.

You do know what that means too, right?

[edit on 4-11-2007 by IgnoreTheFacts]

My take on the "fraud" argument is thus: the burden is on Lazar to prove that what he is saying is true. While verbal testimony is one type of evidence, in this case it isn't enough because we can't let it be enough.

Further, there are questions about his education and where he has worked. It is unfortunately easy to say "I was sheep-dipped" and therefore there are no records left. It also seems strange to me that a man with so many degrees has not kept his diplomas, which, if allowed to be subjected to scrutiny, would probably settle the matter. It is also easy to say "I worked here but they won't release the records."

So to call him a "fraud" implies that he is intentionally trying to pass off a falsehood to people. I don't think there has been affirmative evidence of that, although the observation that he uses scientific terms in a slipshod way is telling that he may not have the education he claims, for one thing. I will therefore not apply the "fraud" label just yet.

The best thing to do with Lazar is put him in the gray bin, and not take what he says as truth until he can provide solid evidence of what he is saying. I know that there are those who want to take what he is saying on blind faith, but I think the ufo community can't as a matter of policy and legitimacy allow people to make affirmative contributions to the corpus of agreed-upon facts until a high bar of proof is met. We're looked at like loons because we allow people with good stories and scant proof to capture our imaginations and unfairly shape the debate when there is so much good, solid work in the background that is rarely looked at.

[edit on 11/4/2007 by Togetic]

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

....they would love to give Bob Lazar his own section? I mean, they support John Lear....they would love to have Bob on board....you know, Deny Ignorance.

And while they are at it why not get Art Bell and Richard C. Hoagland on board too. We could lump them in a whole new section, Crackpots Corner.

Originally posted by keeb333

However, the patent office has no records of this. I asked John about the patent or application numbers (b/c they are all public record) and was ignored. Until I see anything from the PTO confirming this story, I'll never believe a word of it.

Thanks for the postkeeb333, I didn't intentionaly ignore you. I have never checked a patent before, how do you do this? By name?

What name did you use.

Thanks for the post.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

John Lear ignoring a question that would make him look foolish? Never thought I'd see the day

But that's typical John. He must think we are all stupid. He says so many outrageous things, when someone directs a to the point, revealing question to him...well...it doesn't get answered.

Thanks for the post ITF. I was up at the mine reading Dark Mission since last thursday. (I am a slow reader). Just got back tonight.

I didn't intentionally ingnore the question, it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

But yes, Lazar is a fraud.

I disagree. I met Bob in the summer of 1988 and he thought UFO's were a joke. Later, he got to work on one at S-4. He took me out to watch one get test flown March 22, 1989. It was neat.

Thanks for the post, your input is always welcome.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

Of course not, it's the tax code (among other, ah, laws and codes) out there that probably attracted him. He is, first and foremost, a business man, concerned with maximizing profits, is he not?

Thanks for the post IGF. No, the truth is that Bob's girlfriend Joy, made the call on that move.

But thanks for the post, your input is always welcome.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

Another clear indication that you have no understanding of optics, telescopes and astronomy. Should I go find my 10 year old to explain why the Hubble can't reasonably resolve the earths surface (and he could come up with multiple, factual reasons off the top of his head, too)?

Thanks for the post ITF. Actually either of the Hubbles can photograph anything either wants. The information you have about the optics not being able to resolve the earth is disinformation put out so people wouldn't get camera shy.

But let me ask you a question: Do both Hubbles have identical optics?

But thanks for your input it is always welcome.