bob lazar a total fraud

I have always believed Bob Lazar did what he claimed. Been out in this desert way too long to believe otherwise. I've seen things that could very well been reversed engineered & not of this world.
Documents missing & making someone look bad is not beyond practice. My humble opinion for someone who lives here.

interview on coast to coast with Bob

youtube.com... pt 1 of 12

Saturday's main guest, Bob Lazar, known for his stories about Area 51, discussed UFOs as well as his company, United Nuclear, which has developed a Hydrogen Fuel System for automobiles and home power generation. This link about the discovery of Element 115 relates to some of the material Lazar presented.

December 6th, 2003


www.unitednuclear.com...

www.coasttocoastam.com...





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Originally posted by Aspie

And while they are at it why not get Art Bell and Richard C. Hoagland on board too. We could lump them in a whole new section, Crackpots Corner.

Thanks for the post Aspie, and "Crackpots Corner"? I'll drink to that!!

Thanks for the post and your input is always appreciated.

reply to post by johnlear


As usual, ignoring the meat of the matter and going to for the one liners. Care to respond to any of my posts in this thread, John?

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Hello john......

i was just wondering how often do you see bob nowadays, once a year, month, week, etc.

how is your relationship with him.......it would be cool, if the guy from project camelot, interviewed Lazar, that would be cool.....





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Originally posted by andre18

Hello john......

i was just wondering how often do you see bob nowadays, once a year, month, week, etc.

Hello andre18 I last Bob about 5 or 6 years ago when I visited him in Sandia Park. I had ferried an L-1011 to Roswell for storage and took the bus up to Albuquerque where Bob met me at the bus station. I stayed for a couple of days and thats when he gave me the half scale model of the anti-matter reactor that Joe Vaninitti built.

how is your relationship with him.......it would be cool, if the guy from project comelot, interviewed Lazar, that would be cool.....

We stay in touch by email and who knows, maybe he will give Project Camelot an interview. He seems to give others an interview every once in a while.

Thanks for the post.

Scientists reverse engineering UFOs must have MS or Ph.D degrees in hard physical sciences. Bob does not have that level of education. He might be very smart but he's not a trained physicist or chemist. Also I don't see how he got such a high security clearance that quickly. What would be the rush ? Too many things don't add up to believe his story without serious doubts. There is a chance he did actually work at A-51, but I don't believe in the capacity he's claimed (reverse engineering UFOs).

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I don't believe crap about Lazar, either, however the whole security clearance and higher education thing is not always necessary for black project work. I have been involved in things I would consider much higher than my "pay grade" or education would permit solely because I am good in my field, and not because I hold a md, phd, or anything indicative of higher education you would expect would be required for certain projects.

But, regardless, the whole Lazar things has more holes than swiss cheese, and only people without common sense, reason and logic still believer (and some get rewarded for believing and promoting such foolishness by getting their own forum on a major internet site....lol)

Originally posted by Schaden

There is a chance he did actually work at A-51, but I don't believe in the capacity he's claimed (reverse engineering UFOs).

Thanks for the post Schaden and you're probably right. Bob was probably a cook.

Thanks for the post your input is greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by Schaden
Scientists reverse engineering UFOs must have MS or Ph.D degrees in hard physical sciences.

Wow, ok. Please supply me the data that supports this claim. Show me the names of all scientists working on the task and their education level.

I would have thought that the best people for the job would have been headhunted from various sources, regardless of their education level and how many degress are framed on their walls.

I personally think Lazaar is a fake prefferably because many dead whistleblowers claim so.

reply to post by johnlear


The US Patent databse is searchable by name, number , and subject matter, among other things. I searched for any patents invented by or assigned to Bob or Robert Lazar and found one patent that was not related to Element 115, or ET Tech of any sort. It was to a different Robert Lazer ( I am sure), because this was for a Washable blazer and method of construction thereof, patent no. 5,526,534.

Patents are public records, and so are patent applications 18 months after they're filed.

Here's the link to my original post and your quote (from the Zeta Reticuli 1 & 2 thread): www.abovetopsecret.com...



So, if you can find out the application numbers from Bob, this whole thing can be cleared up. Otherwise, there is nothing to back up your claims that he applied for patents on this technology.

Thanks in advance for your reply!

What I can't believe is how many people on here think that the US Government/Military couldn't make your life a living hell if they wanted to.

To be completely honest, it doesn't take much at all to erase things from a person's past. You don't even have to be a high level official in the government/military to do it.

If you know where important records are kept and had open access to them or knew how to get them without being seen, you can ruin a person very easily.

I used to work for a cleaning company and one of the places we cleaned was an I.R.S. building. The amount of open records I saw in this place amazed me. Passwords written on post-it notes stuck to monitors. People who left their systems logged into showing important records while they're out on break. Garbage that wasn't shredded. A hacker would have had a field day in that place. I tried bringing all that to their attention and they acted as if they didn't care.

You bring up some EXCELLENT points which despite the troll-like nature of this thread (which had no real evidence to back it up) I have always believed Lazar's story and I think future discoverys will vinditcate his theorys

Originally posted by Gazrok
There are still some MAJOR issues with dismissing his accounts out of hand.

1. He knew details about the base that weren't public prior to his accounts.
2. He knew the security personnel well enough to gain access easily, with witnesses. The W-2 and security badge are certainly at least evidence to ponder....
3. He knew the dates and times of certain test flights that he would not be privy to in any other way, and again, led witnesses on more than one occassion.
4. He currently works on defense-related government contracts.
5. Many of his ideas pertaining to two different types of gravity are being bolstered by recent quantum physics (though admittedly, there are still issues here).
6. He's generally been very truthful on even personal subjects in interviews.
7. Lazar isn't the first reference to the front of EG&G and the ficticious DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence). The real name is ONI Office of Naval Intelligence, but it isn't unheard of for black projects to use realistic sounding agency names for deniability. Similar antics were used for folks on the U-2 and SR71 projects.
8. Regardless of the real education, Lazar is obviously knowledgable enough to know his stuff in the field.
9. There is at least proof of a deliberate attempt to deny Lazar worked at Los Alamos, when there is proof he did, regardless of capacity.
10. Lazar is off on other things, not looking to "cash in" on the UFO stuff, he simply wanted out.

While there are a LOT of issues that are fishy with this story, there is also too much to simply dismiss out of hand, or throw the baby out with the bathwater....and one can't dismiss the idea easily that he could have also simply been fed some disinfo as well.

Originally posted by Gazrok
There are still some MAJOR issues with dismissing his accounts out of hand.

1. He knew details about the base that weren't public prior to his accounts.

Heck, a schmoo like me knew details about this base that are not "public" and still do, I guess I should make outrageous claims now too?

2. He knew the security personnel well enough to gain access easily, with witnesses. The W-2 and security badge are certainly at least evidence to ponder....

I have not been on base, but every other classified place I have worked I had to surrender my badge upon leaving, for obvious reasons.

3. He knew the dates and times of certain test flights that he would not be privy to in any other way, and again, led witnesses on more than one occasion.

I have known dates and times of experimental aircraft flights as well, but I don't claim they are UFO's. Are there any videos of the times that Bob himself took people out there to witness things defying conventional, known aircraft maneuvers? You would think there would be, given the subject matter and importance of his disclosure, huh? Plus, given it was an Airforce testing facility, it is not absurd to assume that on any given night, there would be lights in the sky that gullible people would believe whatever they were told about then from an "insider"

4. He currently works on defense-related government contracts.

Probably because he has not actually breached security in reality. No reason to blacklist him. The military industrial complex is HUGE and STUPID. I could come out on the 6 o'clock news and claim all sorts of things and not ruin any defense or government related contract opportunities. It is obvious you have no idea how this business works, so you base your assumptions to back up what you WANT to believe. Sad.

5. Many of his ideas pertaining to two different types of gravity are being bolstered by recent quantum physics (though admittedly, there are still issues here).

theoretical physics can be used, at this time, to bolster whichever side of the argument you wish to be one, minus the whole element 115 mess, which falls apart with even the slightest looking into. Point being, there are far more things to debunk this before even bothering to get into his physics.....

6. He's generally been very truthful on even personal subjects in interviews.

??????????????????????????????/ Do I even need to bother to respond to this statement?

8. Regardless of the real education, Lazar is obviously knowledgeable enough to know his stuff in the field.

I agree. Education has nothing to do with some involvement in black and classified projects. I have been privy to, and involved in things that one would consider way above my pay grade, and educational background. But because I am good in my field, I have opportunities within the military/industrial complex that are very profitable...and at times classified (nothing ground breaking, mind you) And this brings up a point, if I was looking to make up a story about things and didn't understand how this field works, I would lie about my education too. His education can't be verified, AT ALL, and no matter how people think this information could be "wiped out" it can't. Period. He added this to his story to gain credibility. I would be more inclined to belie him if he was honest about his education level and simply stated he was really good at what he did. But that is the difference between people like myself, who live and breath in the real world, and people like him, who make stuff up for attention (which he had to hide out from for a little bit)

And ever notice how he does not often counter any critics of his story with solid, researchable information? Makes you wonder...huh?

While there are a LOT of issues that are fishy with this story, there is also too much to simply dismiss out of hand, or throw the baby out with the bathwater....and one can't dismiss the idea easily that he could have also simply been fed some disinfo as well.

Yes, one should not dismiss it easily. If one is fair with oneself, they will spend half a day with their good friends common sense, reason and logic. This will be enough to dispel Bob's foolish claims. I could go on and on, but I should not have to.

It's a good thing this site has a motto of "Deny Ignorance" or people like Bob (and John Lear) would have their own forum to post stuff and not half to back it up or answer any questions, LOL>

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts

It's a good thing this site has a motto of "Deny Ignorance" or people like Bob (and John Lear) would have their own forum to post stuff and not half to back it up or answer any questions, LOL>

Thanks for the post ITF. I have consistently responded to your questions. That you overlook my responses or that they were not what you were looking for is beside the point.

I would respectfully request that you stop your continued misrepresentation of the facts.

Thanks for your post; your input, however misrepresentative of the facts, is greatly appreciated.

reply to post by SKUNK2


You do know that Wikipedia is usually correct and with the correct citations it's often 100% correct? God damn some people don't have a clue.

reply to post by Gazrok


Well, just for starters, #4 is strong evidence that he did NOT reveal classified information. There is no law against making stuff up about the government.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Wow, ok. Please supply me the data that supports this claim. Show me the names of all scientists working on the task and their education level.

I would have thought that the best people for the job would have been headhunted from various sources, regardless of their education level and how many degress are framed on their walls.

Read some history books on the UFO conspiracy. In the past, people involved in UFO research were top scientists in their fields. Of course the matter is highly classified, but it stands to reason current UFO research is conducted by the elite scientists of this generation. Read about the "brain drain" in the UK. One of the theories is they've gone "underground" to work on secret govt projects.

They're not recruiting out of the local community college. I don't believe Bob Lazar has the "right stuff" to be selected by the govt to reverse engineer UFOs. He maybe intelligent, but he lied about his academic credentials. Likely because the lack of them greatly diminishes the credibility of his story. (a former research physicist at A-51 that worked with UFO propulsion on his spare weekends)

reply to post by Schaden


Because he's an E.T with the know how.



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