bob lazar a total fraud

I'm aware of Lazar's inconsistencies, but I'm also aware of how far the Fed. Govt. would go to protect classified information. My gut tells me there's some truth to what he says.....

I'd just give anything (well, ok, not ANYthing) if the Bobster would just pipe up and sing a little tune for the masses again. Seems like he was on a flurry of appearances and stuff for a while, then slithered off, then came back rather sheltered and incognito with this new science lab enterprise, and now...?

For someone who attracted so much attention to himself and was so very conspicuous and vocal about his claims (very profound and magnanimous claims at that) he sure has fallen silent these past few years...

I google him periodically and the only thing that comes up is a bunch of dated video and old references and a tiny amount regarding his new venture - but no more UFO/Alienware. Why not?

Originally posted by Thodeph

Originally posted by Smack
I recommend attacking the message and not the Man. You will only start flame wars with this kind of topic here.

I vote to delete this thread because of its inflammatory nature.

I agree. There's many other threads on this topic.

well im sorry i dont have the time to sit in my backyard with a video camera and post the new thread about "the ufo I just saw" their are many threads about sightings lets delete all those too, since their are already many other threads on that also! and I like your avatar, korso, thanks to him we have night vision and fiber optics lol. bigger attention seeker that lazar!

I BELIEVE. If Bob wanted attention, then he would be here right now, and you would know who he was.

Who among us has not "enhanced" their resume in some form or fashion? Everybody does it. Bob Lazar's ability to impress George Knapp and John Lear is good enough for me.

Originally posted by redseal
Heres his w-2 en.wikipedia.org...:W2_Lazar.jpg

how long would it take some one to make that in 1989? 2 weeks? Not long enough for any of his claims.

read more here

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

and heres a timeline about him

www.serve.com...

Unless the gov't can really screw with you on such an extreme level, I dont buy the lazar story much.

You do know wikipedia is a joke. I dumbass can go on there and post "facts". Hell if i wanted i could re-write the history of the US on that sight. God damn some people don't have a clue.

Originally posted by SKUNK2

Originally posted by redseal
Heres his w-2 en.wikipedia.org...:W2_Lazar.jpg

how long would it take some one to make that in 1989? 2 weeks? Not long enough for any of his claims.

read more here

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

and heres a timeline about him

www.serve.com...

Unless the gov't can really screw with you on such an extreme level, I dont buy the lazar story much.

You do know wikipedia is a joke. I dumbass can go on there and post "facts". Hell if i wanted i could re-write the history of the US on that sight. God damn some people don't have a clue.

Look I didnt mean for this to become an argument, but you should watch your words! That stuff will get you banned. And also wikipedia wasnt my only source I posted other links as well. And about having a clue, I dont and neither do any of you! thats the whole purpose of this GETTING A CLUE im simply proving info based on my interpretation! Where is the proof that he is genuine?

Originally posted by redseal
well im sorry i dont have the time to sit in my backyard with a video camera and post the new thread about "the ufo I just saw" their are many threads about sightings lets delete all those too, since their are already many other threads on that also! and I like your avatar, korso, thanks to him we have night vision and fiber optics lol. bigger attention seeker that lazar!

I take it that was sarcastic. Why would Corso do that for attention?... Seriously, do you think a high ranking official such as Corso would lead a fantastic career for decades, then come out with a rediculous story about aliens, and put his whole reputation on the line for attention? I think that's more difficult to imagine than the presence of aliens on this planet.

I like Lazar for his interesting stories, and how he describes his understandings of these craft, which is very intriguing to me. The way he talks, makes me think he really did work on this stuff. I think perhaps hes not telling us the whole truth, for reasons I don't understand. I could imagine hes on some type of work-release program, and maybe disinfo is his last task to complete, in which he will transition to a civilian scientist/ entrepreneur. As Boyd Bushman put it, "He says the goverment wiped his slate clean, but I gotta say, he eats quite well."

The real evidence for aliens won't come from any individuals testimony, so its really irrelavent whether Lazar's telling the truth or not. We have much more indications of an aliens presence all over the planet, in many different mediums. He just confirms what thousands of others have clued about. How many centuries will we disbelieve people until we realise that these thousands of people might actually be correct, and not seeing swamp gas or hallucinating?

[edit on 16-3-2007 by Freezer]

Originally posted by Springer

Originally posted by redseal
You dont think lazar has made any money off of this? No ones ever paid him for his interviews? My evidence was my links at the top of the page, wich are only a sample of all the evidence out their. Is their any evidence the other way?

Actually I don't need to "think" he hasn't made any money off this I know he hasn't. He hates to even talk about it, he wants to get on with his life and run his scientific lab supply company.

Does that mean it's all true? no

Does that mean it's all false? no

The reality is he knew lots of things, people and had access to places that you or I could never get access to. It's a very interesting, wadded up story and I seriously doubt ANYONE can prove it one or the other.

Springer...

OK Im going to tread on some thin ice here, I didnt want springer or any of the 3 amigos posting on one of my threads, as I dont want to get banned! Any way I have to point out something that springer has stated in his own post....

Does that mean it's all true? no

Does that mean it's all false? no


Does that mean its all true?
Why would you make up stuff to glorify your own personall out of this world tale? The preceding is already good enough!!

Does that mean it's all false?
No, I guess not either. Maybee he has some info that he has seen and just speculated/fantasized on the rest?

The point bieng if I told you who I was you could find my college records, my current occupation(witch corrisponds to my current employment) and so forth.

Dont get me wrong folks, I want to believe, I just dont want the dis info, to get out of hand!

To answer Redseal, the government can really screw your life up pretty bad.

Bob Lazar knows too much stuff for it to be a fraud. He stands to gain nothing from lying about it. I believe his story is true.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by carnival_of_souls2047]

Perhaps it works like this.......Bob Lazar remains a free walking talking person,albeit a bit of a bird on a wire,......and for this rare priviledge of breathing still, he must be carefull to reveal very limited quantities of the truth,and enough fantasy that the content is ignored for retaliation or deletion by the PTB.
If the truth becomes obscurred in the telling enough that the PTB do NOT feel threatened, then Bob gets to do his science relatively unmolested ....
However, i do not think Bob Lazar will ever be allowed to become independantly wealthy by the US govt even if his science pays off.
They will always monitor what he says and if he crosses the line, hell probably commit suicide by shooting himself three times IN THE BACK....
On the other hand if as time goes by, and they retain control of things,what Bob Lazar has to say will become less and less pertinent to anyone...............

Originally posted by Gazrok
There are still some MAJOR issues with dismissing his accounts out of hand.

1. He knew details about the base that weren't public prior to his accounts.
2. He knew the security personnel well enough to gain access easily, with witnesses. The W-2 and security badge are certainly at least evidence to ponder....
3. He knew the dates and times of certain test flights that he would not be privy to in any other way, and again, led witnesses on more than one occassion.
4. He currently works on defense-related government contracts.
5. Many of his ideas pertaining to two different types of gravity are being bolstered by recent quantum physics (though admittedly, there are still issues here).
6. He's generally been very truthful on even personal subjects in interviews.
7. Lazar isn't the first reference to the front of EG&G and the ficticious DNI (Department of Naval Intelligence). The real name is ONI Office of Naval Intelligence, but it isn't unheard of for black projects to use realistic sounding agency names for deniability. Similar antics were used for folks on the U-2 and SR71 projects.
8. Regardless of the real education, Lazar is obviously knowledgable enough to know his stuff in the field.
9. There is at least proof of a deliberate attempt to deny Lazar worked at Los Alamos, when there is proof he did, regardless of capacity.
10. Lazar is off on other things, not looking to "cash in" on the UFO stuff, he simply wanted out.

While there are a LOT of issues that are fishy with this story, there is also too much to simply dismiss out of hand, or throw the baby out with the bathwater....and one can't dismiss the idea easily that he could have also simply been fed some disinfo as well.

Hi Gazrock,

As you may know Tom Mahood did a major study of Bob and probably debunked every point that you made above. In addition Edward Teller disclaimed any knowledge of Lazar in a video before Teller died.

I think Tom 'Blue Fire' Mahood is still around though he doesn't update his website at this time. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the original Desert Rat Interceptors. I've spoken to him several times in email and also to Glenn Campbell back in the 80s when this was a hot topic.

www.serve.com...

If you watch the recent history channel UFO and aliens documentaries, Lazar makes a astonishing claim:

He say that 'nothing is wasted. No energy or power is not used by some other process in the ship. It's incredibly efficient, he says. All the systems were connected to each other.' (paraphrasing).

Now this claim is something that he would not have been able to know or see unless the craft was fully powered up, and he was able to do an experiment to show that power was being internally re-used. If no energy is wasted in the system it would be essentially a black box and totally closed to any analysis.

Lazar is remarkably consistent with his stories, but this comment is new.. He looks as though he's older in this video. I've seen it on History Channel about four or five times now. This is tantamount to 'the other guy blinked' in my opinion. He was not quite getting enough bang for the buck on his story so he added this 'incredible energy' codicil to the mix.

Here's Tom's page for your convenience.
www.serve.com...

I'm not disputing your comments, mind you, just touching base on a topic that has been of interest for many years.

Thanks for detailing your thoughts on the matter. They are always very interesting and well researched.

If you still have questions or doubts about your points after checking Tom's page, I'd be happy to go through them point-by-point with you. For instance there's never been shown that the ONI is a real department, as far as I could discover.

Have a great evening!

Originally posted by area51videoz
He only made that much because they only called him up to work 1 day month and he only had been there a few times. It was not like he had a 40 hour week job there.

He would only go in when they called him

$958.11 is off of his own w-2

so say he went in 1 day a month for an 8 hr shift....

958.11/12 months in a year=79.84 per month or per an 8 hr shift per month=9.98 per hr. this is assuming he only worked one day a month and for only 8 hrs.

thats alot to ask a guy to get on janet air, put your regular job on hold, and fly out to s-4 just for a days work! I mean how do you explain it to you other employer????

Ya I have to go reverse engineer a ufo for 80 bucks today!!

Originally posted by redseal

Originally posted by area51videoz
He only made that much because they only called him up to work 1 day month and he only had been there a few times. It was not like he had a 40 hour week job there.

He would only go in when they called him

$958.11 is off of his own w-2

so say he went in 1 day a month for an 8 hr shift....

958.11/12 months in a year=79.84 per month or per an 8 hr shift per month=9.98 per hr. this is assuming he only worked one day a month and for only 8 hrs.

thats alot to ask a guy to get on janet air, put your regular job on hold, and fly out to s-4 just for a days work! I mean how do you explain it to you other employer????

Ya I have to go reverse engineer a ufo for 80 bucks today!!

I have done my research on this guy. He only worked there for less than six months. He only went a few times I remember it working out to be like $18 per hour he made

Now remember this is $18 in 1988 when gas was like 75 cents a gallon

$958.11 is off of his own w-2

"And I wonder who controls all the earned income in the U.S.?"
HHhhhhhMMmmmmm

As far as Bob's story goes, "Who cares!"
I truly believe he was witness to something extraordinary and felt compelled to share it with the world. I think he truly didn't realize how it was going to be handled by the public, but at the same time,"Thought you HAD too know" gut burning conclusion.

I have seen a lot of Bob's interviews and even with the original news anchor that he had confided in.(Forgot the Anchors name) But all in all, Bob didn't anticipate the negativity from our population and the skepticism's that were air bound before the word's left his mouth. Bob Lazar is a very witty fellow for going the extra lap, for lack of a better word. Even with the all the contraversy and litigation's of the topic of his validity. It still leaves a big neandering question to all of us who dare to venture the truth of Bob's life and credibility, But then again, "Who knows who if you got the big 'G' to cover it all up with disinfo and the the rest of the perverbial card's up this Gov.'s sleeve's , and that we know is fact, not just our country, but a major portion of them from around the world just to be able to achieve the 'Biggest Toy's' for warfare and inner sanctom individuals that are the only one's "Truly" privy to the technologie's we as the populace are unaware.

Aids Cure in UK for the past 20+ years, and the US was aware of it

The UK has been holding on to information of a cure for the HIv and full blown AIDS cure. The U.S. Government had gotten access to it at it's earliest stages and bargained with the UK for the antidote for further analysis. Though the U.S. is a more scrupulous at the medical sciences with thier FDA (Food and Drug Administration) they have been holding on to the knowledge of the cure for the basic reason that they can't get the male lab rats to have anal sex to proove it works.

See. Any body can make something look as if it was real, or the truth, point being ,"I thought it was kind of funny!!!"

Let's leave Bob and his life alone. he deserves too be happy and prosperous regardles of the implication's and sabatoage of individuals that only go by what they hear or read from alternative source's , other than out of the horse's Arse.

IMHO>>>>>>

See the similarity? They are manufactured at the same time, in the exact same package,but when entering the area of "debunking" ,distortion and public manipulation, they took different approaches.

Originally posted by area51videoz

Originally posted by redseal

Originally posted by area51videoz
He only made that much because they only called him up to work 1 day month and he only had been there a few times. It was not like he had a 40 hour week job there.

He would only go in when they called him

$958.11 is off of his own w-2

so say he went in 1 day a month for an 8 hr shift....

958.11/12 months in a year=79.84 per month or per an 8 hr shift per month=9.98 per hr. this is assuming he only worked one day a month and for only 8 hrs.

thats alot to ask a guy to get on janet air, put your regular job on hold, and fly out to s-4 just for a days work! I mean how do you explain it to you other employer????

Ya I have to go reverse engineer a ufo for 80 bucks today!!

I have done my research on this guy. He only worked there for less than six months. He only went a few times I remember it working out to be like $18 per hour he made

Now remember this is $18 in 1988 when gas was like 75 cents a gallon

Thnks for backing up my claim!! 18$ an hr = out to 54 hours

gene huff and bob lazar have both said interesting thing about mr lears sightings, I think all three of them have some explaining to do! nothing adds up, heres a quote

Lazar says: "Well, John Lear's a nice guy. I like him, but he does have the tendency to add about fifteen percent color to stories, and if a story goes through him twice, it's thirty percent, and it doesn't stop."

and gene huff isnt much different!!

so the 3 of them say flying saucers huh?? why is each and other bashing one and other??!! because they want the glory, plain and simple

Originally posted by ChrisJr03
To answer Redseal, the government can really screw your life up pretty bad.

well I have a diploma of were I went to college, and a job that fits that diploma!

First off all i DONT think Bob is a fraud,
and anyone who thinks he is, is mistaken, in my opinion.

Now if you dont think there is any evidence whatsoever to suggest that Lazar might just know what he is talking about,then thats your choice,
but please stop trying to convince people otherwise,
you are just wasting time and comming off as very rude.

[edit on 16-3-2007 by vladmir]