757 Plane Did Not Hit Pentagon - Hard Visible Proof!

Darkblue and everyone else. I am trying to look at this from many angles and I will not discount anyones theories, so I would hope that you don't discount mine because you have pre-determined thoughts.

Now with that, I ask you all.

Why is there only one short blip of footage and there are documented multiple cameras on the Pentagon property everywhere?

And with all of these cameras, I believe the reason they give one angle is because they can photoshop the one camera angle to what they want people to believe, but they can not photoshop or edit multiple angles because people and experts would surely be discovered discrepancies.

Like I said before if there was a 757 that impacted the Pentagon, then why not lay all the cards on the table, like every angle of video footage and not some lame one angle shot, that could have been doctored very easily by an expert.

Think about this theory carefully.




[edit on 11-4-2007 by Realtruth]

I personally want to see the camera from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles. Unedited, that to me would be the IMAX of possible footage, that I know of.

Pictures I posted regarding Pentagon are gone, but it's no problem.

Photobucket sent an email to me it looks like server issues on their side.

And they are working on the issue.




[edit on 12-4-2007 by Realtruth]

John W. Brown from Rolls Royce told AFP earlier, “It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I’m familiar with, and certainly not the AE3007H made here in Indy.”

When AFP told Brown that, if the government version is correct, it MUST be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, he balked. He asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information.

Asked if the disc in the photo was a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535 (the turbofan engine for the Boeing 757-200) or from the AE3007 series, which power the GLOBAL HAWK and the Cessna Citation, Brown said he could not answer.

The RB211-535 is produced in England and the GLOBAL HAWK's AE3007H engine is hand-made in Indianapolis, Indiana.

AFP asked Brown, who works at the Indiana facility, if he was personally familiar with the parts of an AE3007H: "No. I don't build the engines," Brown said. "I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company."

www.rumormillnews.com...

He doesn't seem to know much about engines at all, so I wouldn't put much store in his statement.

He doesn't seem to know much about engines at all, so I wouldn't put much store in his statement.

You are correct it looked like he new almost nothing in regards to planes, so I definitely will not give merit to any of his statements.

Originally posted by Realtruth
Why is there only one short blip of footage and there are documented multiple cameras on the Pentagon property everywhere?

And with all of these cameras, I believe the reason they give one angle is because they can photoshop the one camera angle to what they want people to believe, but they can not photoshop or edit multiple angles because people and experts would surely be discovered discrepancies.

Like I said before if there was a 757 that impacted the Pentagon, then why not lay all the cards on the table, like every angle of video footage and not some lame one angle shot, that could have been doctored very easily by an expert.

Think about this theory carefully.

IMO you're quite right. There's obviously something to hide, otherwise all the various security cam footage would have been released, rather than compounded. What is the upside of allowing speculation and doubt to fester and spread, if you've got nothing to hide and your story is true?

It's a bit like the Zapruder film, which supposedly went immediately into a vault for over a decade and came out totally fubared.

As for the 3 or so frames we've been allowed to have that have any relevance, it's a Rorschach test: Anyone can see anything there. It's totally inconclusive. I'd add that the incorrect date-stamp is doubtless cynical nose-thumbing as well--"Here ya go, take it for what it's worth."

I've been following this thread with interest, hoping for a break-through, but despite everyone's efforts, the same insurmountable stumbling blocks remain.

To me, the basic question has been answered: whatever hit the Pentagon was not as advertised. That terrorist could not possibly have executed the maneuvers attributed him with a 757; he'd have plunged the jet straight down from above, where he'd have the simplest, best chance of hitting the world's largest building footprint. Executing the maneuvers to line the plane up to come swooping/spiraling in at full-throttle against a 70-odd foot high facade (conveniently re-enforced) is beyond belief. So, whatever it was, it was obviously controlled by real pros.

In a sense, the what is secondary to the proof given by the how. That said, we need to know what it was to validate the whole proof.

But this fundamental mystery of "what was it?" is a characteristic of the whole operation--the Towers, flight 93, WTC7--all of it. The deeper you dig into all aspects of 9/11 the farther through the looking glass you go. And you keep hitting that brick wall of the unknowable.

/philosophizing.

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[edit on 12-4-2007 by gottago]

Originally posted by Realtruth
Darkblue and everyone else. I am trying to look at this from many angles and I will not discount anyones theories, so I would hope that you don't discount mine because you have pre-determined thoughts.

Ok, I won't.

Why is there only one short blip of footage and there are documented multiple cameras on the Pentagon property everywhere?

One possible reason...they do not show anything. The cameras I believe you are refering to hung at the top of the outer walls of the building:



I dont know anything about these cameras but I can speculate they are intended to surveil persons and vehicles on the Pentagon grounds, not the sky, and that they have a relatively slow frame capture speed, (i.e. not fast enough to capture much of any thing travelling 780 fps). Also, I believe these cameras are aimable in which case, maybe they were not aimed toward the approaching plane.

DISCLAIMER: This is just speculation on my part. I claim no expertise or professional knowledge of video surveillence equipment.

Like I said before if there was a 757 that impacted the Pentagon, then why not lay all the cards on the table, like every angle of video footage and not some lame one angle shot, that could have been doctored very easily by an expert.

Think about this theory carefully.

I have. And as I've said before, perhaps they don't see a need to publicize all of the investigative evidence since a very very small fraction of the population demands to see it. I mean, what benefit would this release of data garner? I have no doubt that even if detailed catalogued photos of all of the AA 77 wreckage, and passengers, were released, there would still be a good fraction of the conspiracy believers claiming the photos were fakes. Same goes for video of a plane impacting the building.

Or perhaps they have extremely high definition and detailed imagery of the event and don't want US adversaries (nations or terror groups) to know how advanced our surveillence capabilities are.

Or perhaps the imagery shows a missle or something else.

It's up to each individual to decide what they believe most likely. I have.






[edit on 4/12/2007 by darkbluesky]

Originally posted by darkbluesky
And as I've said before, perhaps they don't see a need to publicize all of the investigative evidence since a very very small fraction of the population demands to see it.

Darkbluesky, would this poll be representative of your 'very, very small fraction of the population'? And are your referring to the population of the United States or the population of the world.


According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:

"Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?

Telling the truth 16%

Hiding something 53%

Mostly lying 28%

Not sure 3%"

OK, finally regarding the cameras...


Can anyone confirm that the Virginia Department of Transportation has a traffic monitoring camera pointing to the side attacked?

These links are for angle reference...


www.rense.com...

www.defenselink.mil...


I think it was in Loose Change that I remember seeing something about a Virginia Department of Transportation camera with the perfect coverage that would shown undoubtedly what hit.


If anyone can help me out until i find this info and get pics...

John, I was refering to the US population. Those survey results are interesting. I would say however, there is a little bit of a difference between a movement of folks demanding truth, and the response of someone on a phone survey. I think that if 30-40% of the voting base mobilized and demanded a release of data, it would be done. If the evidence still were not released, then I'd become as suspicious as you are now. The fact is, that despite those polling results, which I don't dispute, there is no massive public movement approaching the numbers obtained by the polls. It's one thing to answer a pollster and say "yeah, I think they are covering up something"...It's a very different thing to attend a march on the mall, or actually sit down and write a letter to your congessman.

There are many days when things don't add up and I say to myself the govt is obviously hiding something, for some reason, but that doesn't get me to the point of believing in planted bombs, planted evidence and missiles.

Ok I found pictures...


www.pentagonresearch.com...


I have not perused the site yet to establish how credible their claims or pictures are but for now thats the image that I believe would prove what hit.

Visit this VDOT webcam site:

vdot.trafficland.com...

As you can see the image updates about every 3 seconds. It is easily understandable to me how an aircraft travelling at 780 fps, could have travelled through the width of the frame without being captured. I can't even see the same car travelling at 70 mph in two consecutive frames.

Regardless of what hit and who did it no bombs are destroying American soil. I feel that in order to properly defend the American homeland our defense budgets needed significant increase.

Original Thread

Originally posted by In nothing we trust

Originally posted by Klaxmexalix
Would you rather live in the country being bombed for no reason? Or in the country that does the bombing for no reason?

Oh aren't we the cynical realist.

There's a reason it's called peace through warfare.

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Originally posted by darkbluesky
Visit this VDOT webcam site:

vdot.trafficland.com...

As you can see the image updates about every 3 seconds. It is easily understandable to me how an aircraft travelling at 780 fps, could have travelled through the width of the frame without being captured. I can't even see the same car travelling at 70 mph in two consecutive frames.

This is their web uplink...



You tell me they do not have live feeds...?


I know when I watch the traffic news with thoes SAME CAMERAS for I-87 and I-90 in Albany they show live feeds.




If the Pentagon doesn't...I'd say it was probably because the defense budget cuts prior to 9/11...

[edit on 12-4-2007 by Watchful1]

Originally posted by Watchful1
You tell me they do not have live feeds...?

Im not telling anybody anything. Again, I know nothing about remote video surveillence cameras. Just bringing stuff to the debate.

I do know that one hour of pretty crappy video on my PC uses up about 500 MB of storage. To save all the imagery created by all the traffic cameras in VA would take alot of digital storage capacity. Maybe more than worthwhile to monitor traffic congestions issue traffic advisories.

Darkblue,

Your saying the Pentagon might not have enough storage space? They made Sun, IBM, and many more reinvented mass storage just for their use. Here is and article you may be interested in. or just do a search on Pentagon, Computers, Storage, latest technologies. In fact the Pentagon was one of the first to purchase terabyte storage technology.

The Pentagon is the envy of every computer geek in the world, in fact they are the target of many hackers trying to get in and see what is going on.

I don't think the budget has been cut that much since 1989, probably increased.

Pentagon Computers and Storage Spending

$9 Billion Annual Expense The Pentagon spends about $9 billion annually on the storage and handling of information - for computers, software and related services - and these systems are crucial to purchasing weapons systems, maintaining inventories of spare parts and keeping payroll and other financial records, the Congressional report said.

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Originally posted by Watchful1
You tell me they do not have live feeds...?

Im not telling anybody anything. Again, I know nothing about remote video surveillence cameras. Just bringing stuff to the debate.

I do know that one hour of pretty crappy video on my PC uses up about 500 MB of storage. To save all the imagery created by all the traffic cameras in VA would take alot of digital storage capacity. Maybe more than worthwhile to monitor traffic congestions issue traffic advisories.

[edit on 12-4-2007 by Realtruth]

RealTruth - I was referencing VA DOT with regard to storing digital data, not the Pentagon. As I said, maybe the Pentagon cameras were aimed away from the impact area at the time of impact.

OK someone just sent me a really good link and a person that is digging hard into the Pentagon attack, in fact this person is requesting all footage. And filed a lawsuit in federal court. Please review this site carefully. My hats are off to this person, he is tenacious, to say the least.

Pentagon Research - Investigator

Now the FBI says, "Among the eighty-five (85) videotapes described in paragraph 11, above, I located one videotape taken from closed circuit television at the Citgo Gas Station in Arlington, Virginia. Because of its generally poor quality, the tape was taken to the FBI's Audio-Video Image Analysis Unit (AVIAU).....to determine that the videotape did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001." (Maguire Documents)

Originally posted by darkbluesky

Im not telling anybody anything.

YES, WE KNOW YOU OFFER NOTHING!


No, really though, I did not mean the "you" in an offensive way. I'm glad you refuse to roll with the punches. It will make undisputable facts surface.



Keep going strong.

Is the hole created in the Pentagon building large enough for a 757 to pass through? it certainly doesn't seem that way to me. Especially when I compare the hole with the windows around it, and to the parking sign.