Announce your position on 911.

Originally posted by Rotator
Did he just say he believed the official story because "too many conspiracy theories that have flawed logic and speculation"

exactly what I said. that's all you got to say on that? haha okay

some ct'er
"there are bombs in the towers!"

okay how'd they get there?

"experts went in and rigged them in just a few hours"

proof of this?

"WTC7, how do just fires bring a building down?"

and it just goes on and on speculating.

here another:
some ct'er
"missle hit the pentagon!!"

okay why do you say that?

"there is no plane wreckage and how does a plane make such a small hole??? if it WAS a 757 the hole should be bigger and it should look like how the planes hit the WTC. Where are the wing marks?!?!"

Right...

[edit on 15-3-2007 by DoomX]

I disbelieve the official story.

Reason 1: Building WTC7's level and fast collapse. It appears to have been demolished with explosives.
Reason 2: Both towers fell ALL the way to the ground in what appeared to be demolition with explosives (visible charges).

i thought this was about everybody's stand and reason not to debate what happened. as far as points go, points don't mean (mod should edit). points only mean you have either been registered here longer and post a lot, or you provide relevant information. it does not measure the intelligence of the person. they are meant to make you feel good about yourself.

So Doom X, because some theories are dumb, and I'll give you that without naming theories, you can eliminate all possibilities necessary to buy THE official story? No allowance, no involvement, no nothing? They wanted to stop it, tried to, just couldn't, and then benefitted greatly by sheer coincidence and got the okay to carry out all their plans at the ready? Do you realize what a narrow construct the official story really is?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I disbelieve the official story.

Reason 1: Building WTC7's level and fast collapse. It appears to have been demolished with explosives.
Reason 2: Both towers fell ALL the way to the ground in what appeared to be demolition with explosives (visible charges).

A disbeliever with a lot of points! I need to figure out the points thing...

Once again, we are faced with the argument that no one can keep a secret. Someone please explain how this is logical, because I don't understand. So you know every secret project the government and the military is working on now and has been working on for the last 20 years. Remember no one can keep a secret so everyone knew about all out secret projects before they were ever unveiled. That argument is ridiculous. Some things are secret and have been kept secret for many years. Also, please tell me what was in the 28 omitted pages in the 9/11 Report, that's secret but no can keep a secret so will you please tell me. I would really like to know that info.

Also, why does it "take so many people to pull it off." According to the official story it only takes 21. 19 hijackers, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and Osama Bin Laden. 21 is more than 1 so this is also impossible because 1 of them wouldve said something because no one can keep a secret.

Some of you people need to get over your self importance. These people dont care about you so why would they admit something to the people 9/11 was meant to exploit. If there is a conspiracy, people who would set a plan to kill thousands of people with the event and thousands more people in response for power and greed, all of the sudden would become truthful and say "I would like to confess to being a liar and and murderer to the same people i lied to, murdered, and exploited because I had a change of heart and truth is more important."

My position on 911 was standing up, drinking coffee, waiting for the result of an interview, it was an unforgetable tragic, crap day, I did not get the job

Yes, I believe the official story
1. Sheikh Muhammed gave an interview to Al Jazeera long before we captured him
2. Al Qaeda has been a pain in our a** since long before 9/11.
3. NYFD members ALL state that they were positive that WTC 7 was going to come down as well from the massive damage to it (WTC 1 hitting it)
4. We are not invincible from a foe that takes the time to study our weaknesses.
5. Friends of mine were present at the Pentagon.....
Whoops....more than two.......

Stop derailing the thread please.
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[edit on 15-3-2007 by carslake]

Originally posted by BPI
Once again, we are faced with the argument that no one can keep a secret.
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Also, why does it "take so many people to pull it off." According to the official story it only takes 21. 19 hijackers, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and Osama Bin Laden. 21 is more than 1 so this is also impossible because 1 of them wouldve said something because no one can keep a secret.

You get a WATS just for that if I got one left.

9/11 was an inside job

Reasons :

1. I study History. Governments invariably are taken over by homicidal psychopaths with a God complex. It's happened here - at last.

2. They are keeping everything secret. It's a dead give-away.

3. Cui Bono? AIPAC, Big Energy Corporations, Military Contractors. All tied to the Neo-Cons. Pretty cut and dry.

I could go on but I’ve already supplied you with one more than you asked.

Nah, Caustic Logic. I'm not elminating all possiblitlies just those that have no merit in my eyes and that's a fair share of them. Also those that I would believe don't substantiate themselves with strong evidence; evidence that seems to be enough for others but not for my standards. IMO, if I really had my mind completely made up I wouldn't even bother with this topic. But I am still curious if ever new information will shed light on that day. I also don't think they tried to stop it with full potential. The official story is not clean but it sounds much plausible than some of the stuff I hear from CT'ers.

My position is you should be skeptical of the government, but I also believe you need to be skeptical of the skeptics.

I would expect on a conspiracy website that the bias would be towards the 911 Cult.

I would not follow David Koresh and I will not follow any other cult leader.

The animated and exaggerated response by the CT Cultists is one of the main reasons I go against it. Their belief that only they are right is reminiscent of the Nazi dictatorship IMHO.

Behave a bit more rationally then maybe I will listen a bit more who knows.

Sure I don't believe every single scrap and morsel the official line throws at us but essentially I see some rag heads got lucky thats all.

Look guys you have got as far as you will get I believe, the rest of the world really dont give a toss, we have more pressing things in the now to worry about. Unkie Sam could go to war against the world on any lie they like but things would still not be as bad as they will be getting. One day there will be a treatment for what you have got and like a rash it will go away.

Originally posted by DoomX
Nah, Caustic Logic. I'm not elminating all possiblitlies just those that have no merit in my eyes and that's a fair share of them. Also those that I would believe don't substantiate themselves with strong evidence; evidence that seems to be enough for others but not for my standards. IMO, if I really had my mind completely made up I wouldn't even bother with this topic. But I am still curious if ever new information will shed light on that day. I also don't think they tried to stop it with full potential. The official story is not clean but it sounds much plausible than some of the stuff I hear from CT'ers.

My position is you should be skeptical of the government, but I also believe you need to be skeptical of the skeptics.

A voice of reason. I gotta go to work now, I leave things in your hands...

I believe most of the official story. I believe that it was done in the way said by the people said, the government just did nothing to stop it. two reasons why..

1. there is NO WAY you could put bombs in any of the towers and not be noticed.
2. all of the "evidence" of bombs, airplanes flying over the pentagon ect. can be explained.

I guess that makes me a disinfo agent.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by lizziex3]

Originally posted by lizziex3
I believe most of the official story. I believe that it was done in the way said by the people said, the government just did nothing to stop it. two reasons why..

1. there is NO WAY you could put bombs in any of the towers and not be noticed.
2. all of the "evidence" of bombs, airplanes flying over the pentagon ect. can be explained.

I guess that makes me a disinfo agent.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by lizziex3]

Not in my eyes. You just make sense. I'd like to see some elaboration then on why you don't buy the official story, since you do not it seems.

Originally posted by lizziex3
1. there is NO WAY you could put bombs in any of the towers and not be noticed.

Undetonated bombs were pulled from the Murrah Building after the OKC bombing. Somebody got explosives into that building with no one noticing easily enough. If they had detonated, there would have been no evidence of them, save the destruction they would've caused, which would probably also be hotly debated as evidence of their existance.

2. all of the "evidence" of bombs, airplanes flying over the pentagon ect. can be explained.

Explain where the lateral force came from to eject 22 tons of steel 600 feet laterally without bending the steel at any point in the process.

I don't believe the officiol story


1. You can't believe any official story. I believe it very ironic to have had all the camera footage of it. I think it unlikely that someone would have caught a real attack like that on camera.



2. Bush kept reading calmly. If it had been a real emergency he

would have freaked out.

I disbelieve the official story and am thoroughly convinced that some faction of our government was at the very least complicit with the attacks.

Originally posted by Voyager1
1. You can't believe any official story. I believe it very ironic to have had all the camera footage of it. I think it unlikely that someone would have caught a real attack like that on camera.

No camera footage of flight 93.
After the first plane hit WTC1 you would expect people to not film that?

2. Bush kept reading calmly. If it had been a real emergency he

would have freaked out.

Really? Did he freak out during Katrina? I don't know can you tell me.
Famous video I know of him freaking out is when he flips off the camera. classic.