Announce your position on 911.

i dont believe the official story

1) the august 6 pdb memo showing that federal buildings in new york were being targeted and the pentagon along with hijacked planes. not only that but NO securty increases were issued at all including in the airport security area.

2) WTC 7. no need for an explanation there

3)mysterious powerdowns in the world trade center that were reported a week before but nothing was done to investigate if this had anything to do with 9/11.

theres too many more reasons but yeah heres a couple

I don't believe the official story. 1. Towers collapsed in basically the same way, pulverizing concrete into fine dust .This would take an extreme amount of energy for this to happen.2. The evidence was quickly shipped out of the country making it pretty impossible to prove anything. I also believe that EVERYONE is entitled to his/her own opinion.I don't look down on anyone who has a different way of thinking than me.

If I was Bush and reading in front of a bunch of little children I would keep reading too, and try my hardest to not panic as to not freak out the little kids. But I still believe he knew what was going to happen and just didn't stop it.

Originally posted by sensfan
Just to clarify my position, although I state that I believe the offical story, that means I believe terrorists hijacked planes, crashed them into buildings which caused them to fall, etc, etc.

However, I DO BELIEVE that the powers that be in washington knew it was going to happen, and LET IT HAPPEN for their own gain. (war on terror, oil, etc).

You mirror my exact thoughts on the matter, sensfan. They knew it would happen and that's the real conspiracy.

Originally posted by Connected

Originally posted by esdad71
Between the both of you, maybe you can buy a blog with your ATS points...oh, i guess not. The government did not commit the act of 9/11. Happy Hunting.

1. Al Qeada
2. We saw it happen on TV, live.....

[edit on 15-3-2007 by esdad71]

LMAO!!!!!!!!! Dis-info agent. Ignore list, here he comes.. He can't even follow directions either.. AND he had to have an indirect insult..

WOWZER, I don't have a lot of ATS points... OMG I'm not popular. LOL.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by Connected]

Why did you put him on the ignore list when the pupose of this thread is to state your opinion on 9/11? does his opinion not jive with yours?

typical tactics...silence the opposition

I do not believe the government line, false flag ops are the best way to get the poplulation behind it, so it can accomplish it's goals

I don't believe some of the CT either, sorry too strange and out there.

What I do know from my study of this topic is that the core steel of WTC 1 & 2 of those buildings circumvented the laws of physics on 9/11. Steel, large steel bends when heated, it does not collapse at free fall speed telescopicing into itself in nice even straight pieces.
So......

1)Some form of technolgy was used to bring those buildings down besides the planes & fires.(some sort of cutting explosive) And guys that live in the dessert on the other side of the world don't have this technolgy.

2)There just to many strange odd things that just don't add up. Things that defy common sense when you remove emotional denial from the formula.
WTC7 for one.

3)People way smarter than me have studied this and have come to the same conclusion as me.

i believe the official story jk

1. i can't imagine my own gov't wanting to harm it's own people to further its own agenda, it is 2 painful to imagine, and makes me feel unsafe in my own country, um wait just read this www.whatreallyhappened.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

2. i don't understand that all gov't have relatively high levels of corruption within them, and i have been raised to beleive that america is great and wonderful and bombarded by marketing and patriotism that tells me it is (besides my mom and dad think so as well) even though we live in a dog eat dog business world that is cut throat and where only those that can read between the MEDIA"S lines "get it" and i will defend my ignorance because it is all i know how to do, plus im filled with apathy but still manage to believe i have a valid opinion about everything



[edit on 15-3-2007 by cpdaman]

I disbelieve the official story.

-The government have lied to us numerous times in the past.
-The physical evidence to prove the official story is not there.

I disbelieve the "official" record -

Here's why -

1. First and foremost, it has been proven that it is not beyond our governments "concious" to attack it's citizens to obtain political and social backing for military operations and war. For those of you that want proof just google Operation Northwoods.

2. In lieu of number 1, oil is a precious commodity in our modern world. The Middle East (Iraq also) has a plethora of oil that, as in the past, saddam has abused and wasted. It is not beyond the realm of possbilities that the governments reason for 911 was to secure the oil trade lines and to simply "stabilize" the region to make sure the oil flows. Fighting an endless war to protect the world is a perfect guise for almost any alterior motive.

3. Thirdly, the person that stated something to the effect of - that each agency in charge of protecting americans would all have to fail at relatively the same time for Al Qaida operatives to carry out its operation is simply extreemely difficult for me to fathom. Refer to item number 1.
Also keep in mind JFK was in office during Northwoods. He was asassinated not soon after. Just some thoughts to ponder.

EDIT - Props to the poster two above mine - you beat me too it! But congrats for being few of the enlightened

[edit on 15-3-2007 by zeeon]

I disbelieve the official story.

1. The scandals involving Odigo/various other companies being given advanced warnings.

2. Rice saying that no one in the administration could envision the style of attack that took place on 9/11 and then later a memo came to light titled something like, "bin Laden Determined to Attack Using Hijacked Planes" or something close to that.

Of course some of the things surrounding WTC7 and The Pentagon are reasons for me but those have been mentioned quite a bit already.

Originally posted by lizziex3
If I was Bush and reading in front of a bunch of little children I would keep reading too, and try my hardest to not panic as to not freak out the little kids. But I still believe he knew what was going to happen and just didn't stop it.

You know this is the answer i would expect from an average citizen (I'm not bashing on you - keep reading.) The President of the United States, the most powerful country in the entire world -- imho -- would have immediately and calmly, with composure, have gotten up and politely excused himself to deal with the situation at hand. I would expect any president to be able to excerise himself in this fashion because we should not be putting average people in that kind of position (US Presidency) in the first place. It was shocking and appaling to me to see my supreme commander act as ignorant and foolhardy as he did that day.

I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions on what kind of president we have.

While I believe islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11, I believe that administrative intelligence failed to take warnings seriously. And that is what they tried to cover up.

most of the hundreds of conspiracy theories popping around are just too wack for me to even consider.

Connected,

Although i appreciate your efforts on the 911 incident. By insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you, it will have negative results on your goal to spread awareness on the subject and turn this whole thread into a bickering war against all those who disagrees with you and that won't be good for your cause, in fact it will pretty much destroy it.

911 was the mask in front of a dictatorship called democracy. Since you dislike what they did on that day so much please don't be like them by being a dictator on this thread against everyone who disagrees with you...

Back on topic,

I don't believe the official story of 911.

Reason,

What do you do when you want to have free card to invade other countries in order to obtain more resources that you nearly used all due to your previous greed? Attack your own country and blame it on another country.

I don't believe either story.

I feel the CTer's are too focused on the details. I have a philosophy on life that simplicity is the key. that said means I tend to follow occums razor. the Simplest explaination is the most likely explanation.that said,

I feel the Government is hiding it's knowledge of the situation within a few months before it occured. I believe Bin Laden could have been requested to carry out the attack, But I watched the CNN Video live (had a bad habit in my late teens to sleep with cnn on.) I woke up when they played the video of the first plane hitting the first time, saw the second hit live.. I.m.h.o. they were real CIVILIAN planes. there may have been Government agents on the planes that knew to much , but didn't know when.These were just sacrifices, not organizers. The other planes may be different stories, but 100 more people died that were supposed to be on them... MOST were regular citizens, they're not turning there life over to the government (leaving Wives and kids behind, ETC) to help with the conspiracy. (once again remeber this is MY OPINION.. if you want to discuss, fine, you want to argue... I click Ignore from now on out.)
So back to point, I believe Bush's cabinet knew it would happen, and allowed it to happen, so that we could attack the middle east, (starting with afghanistan for natural gas resources, then Iraq, Iran, Eventually Kuwait and Saudi Arabia for Oil. And of Course Halliburton makes money hand over fist Building; Lockheed Martin makes money hand over fist because we are at war and we have to fuel the war machine.) so that all of our Capitalist Leaders can get richer, and while there at it handle their overpopulation issues a few thousand at a time instead of a few hundred.

theres my answer, and heres my two reasons (Four I Guess)

don't believe CT's:

1: Bush is too stupid Militarily and organizationally to pull off the attacks. ( don't try and prove my reasons wrong, there MY OPINION, opinions are like buttholes and everybody thinks everyone elses stinks.)

2: Amazing things happen when you factor Heat, Fire, Structural Damage, and sustainable shockwave damage (I.e. 800,000 tons hitting them at 400-500 mph)into a structural design, I'm no engineer, but I have studied some basic physics and I feel that the towers could have fallen easily due to all of these damages; in an abnormal manner.

Don't Believe Goverment:

1. A True Patriot Loves his country but fears his Government

2. Bush has tooooo many connections to the people we are overpowering at this time (and allowing to commit this crime) to ignore... Basically from what I know about Bush/bin-laden is they basically played in the same sand box... Literally. So Bush Needs a Patsy, Bin Laden Needs more Money (like an evangelist with weapons dude... imagine it) everybody wins but the poor, middle class, and general public.



There... go ahead... call me disinfo... I expect it from you guys.


Coven Out

~ A True Patriot Loves his country but fears his Government ~

I Disbelieve the official story.

1) Too many coincidences on the day: NORAD drill to fly planes into the WTC towers, certain members of parliament warned not to fly on the day.

2) The insane resemblance to Hitler's use of problem / reaction / solution, and the freedom-destroying bills that GWB has passed since 9/11.

I don't believe the official story.

1. WTC 7

2. Free fall speeds

Now as far as who was in on it, and why, I'm still not sure. But I definatly believe that explosives were planted inside the buildings to take them down.

I for the most part think that the official story is the most likely theory.

1. All of the elements required for it were present that day beyond a shadow of doubt. Airplanes hit the buildings and caused fires, making it very easy to see that as the cause of the collapses.

2. There is no positive evidence or physical evidence that proves the existence of demo charges or bombs in the buildings. Without such evidence it makes it just as likely that robot nanobots, or perhaps magical leprechauns brought down the buildings.

You know this is the answer i would expect from an average citizen (I'm not bashing on you - keep reading.) The President of the United States, the most powerful country in the entire world -- imho -- would have immediately and calmly, with composure, have gotten up and politely excused himself to deal with the situation at hand. I would expect any president to be able to excerise himself in this fashion because we should not be putting average people in that kind of position (US Presidency) in the first place. It was shocking and appaling to me to see my supreme commander act as ignorant and foolhardy as he did that day.

Or maybe, he decided those children deserved a few more minutes of innocence knowing that 1. The Secret Service has him in a building that has been swept and under observation (i.e. a safe place) in other words, he isnt going anywhere until they can get more police onsite for the motorcade and 2. His team needs time to get comms set up for him to use.

I disbelieve the official story.

1.. President George Bush remained motionless in the Florida classroom when told of the 9-11 attacks. He remained still because none of this came as a surprise to him. Things were unfolding as planned. But this was indeed a poorly ‘scripted’ moment. It’s one of the many details the 9-11 planners didn’t consider worthy of attention. And they were right, it really wasn’t a relevant mistake — to ask the president to remain seated in times of a catastrophic crisis. Because everyone just figured the president was either dimwitted or unflappable. Both of which he is neither.

2. Cell phone calls from passengered planes in flight were impossible on 9-11. We all should have caught that right when it was first reported. Therefore the stories of highjackers and boxcutters are purely fabricated. Without al-qaida highjackers, the whole official attack-on-america-story fails. If there were no terrorists on planes who attacked us then?

Good luck in your thread, “Connected”.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

I believe the official story...
Are there inconsistencies, yeah...same with any story...

Life is about perception...no two people percieve ANY event in the exact same way.

My Reasons...

1. Determination - Radical Muslims have been trying to inflict damage on us for years...
I was off the coast of Lebanon in 83. They manged to blow up a barracks full of sleeping U.S. Marines. as well as French soldiers in their compound. They drove a truck right through the front gates!!!
It's called determination!...if you want someone(s) bad enough you can get to'em.

2. Govt ineptitude - Our govt could not find it's ass with both hands...Dont get me wrong, I'm a true blue American. But if your asking me to believe the same people who brought us Bay of Pigs, Panama and Noriega, The Cole incident...etc...then I dont buy it...nope.

3. All the physical evidence points to planes crashing into bldgs

I think if there is a coverup it's flight 93...we possibly shot that one down...once again ineptitude!

now I have stated my opinions, I will thank you in advance for respecting them and not calling me a sheeple, or a dis-info, or that I don't have a mind of my own, or that I'm gullible, etc...I do have a mind of my own, it just does not agree with yours.