Announce your position on 911.

I believe most of the official story, but I'm somewhat skeptical of the background.

To clarify I do believe that four aircraft were highjacked, two of them hit the WTC towers, one of them hit the Pentagon, and one was lost of PA (I admit I'm on the fence as to whether or not that one was shot down). I do not believe that demolitions charges or explosives (aside from jet fuel) were used, and I do not believe that anything aside from a 757 hit the Pentagon (meaning no missiles). I am however skeptical of the background of the event. Meaning that it's entirely plausible in my opinion that certain members of the Al Queda may be puppets, that our government probably could've stopped the events of 9/11, and that many high ranking officials took advantage of the situation.

My reasons for the official story are these;

1. I think it's pretty evident that an airplane hit each tower. My question is why they would need explosive charges. Even if the planes wouldn't have taken them completely down to the ground it wouldn't have been worth it to use bombs.

2. It could've been worse. Much worse. I feel that if it was a government plot then the attacks wouldn't have been limited to four aircraft hitting three buildings. We would've seen the White House, Congress, Sears Tower, NYSE, and other locations hit as well.

I believe that 9/11 is the biggest crime perpetrate against not just the American people but the world as a whole.
Yes i believe it was a crime but it wasnt committed by middle eastern terrorist but exactly who it was committed by is a mystery to me.
Some of the suspects that I have in my mind are... well for one Israel (mossad) why? because they have a lot to gain by getting the US more involved in the war against terrorism and its no secret that they would have no problems what so ever attacking the US, remember USS Liberty?
Then we have the possibility of this being a true inside job, where some group within the US Govt ordering this to get the US in a war, there are many people and companies that benefit in a BIG way by us being in a war. KBR/Haliburton is one of those companies but not the only one.
Another reason is that it gives the Govt a very good reason to really clamp down on our civil rights, as we all know the Patriot Act sailed through the house and senate. Nobody dared vote against it (except one) for fear of being labeled un-patriotic or sympathetic to Islamic extremism.
Believe me when I say that it saddens me very much to even be thinking this way about the country that I was once so proud to be a citizen of.
In the past 6 years the United States has gone from being a very well respected leader of the free world, to one of the most hated countries in the world.
I recall seeing polls, in the not so distant past, which showed that most of the Democratic countries in the world feel that we (the US) are more damaging and dangerous to the world than China or Russia.
Good job Bush, you moron. It took the US half a century to earn the free worlds respect as their leader and role model. Youve managed to completely destroy that in just 6 years..
He should NOT be allowed to get away with this and I hope as soon as he leaves office that some way somebody finds a way to bring him up on charges for treason and capital murder.

1. I'm of the opinion that 110 story buildings do not collapse in 10-16 seconds (depending on which account is read) on their own. Bombs are needed to attain that speed. I'm of the opinion that had the collapses been legitimate, they would have each taken around two minutes to fall completely.

2. I'm of the opinion that the WTC7 building fell only due to bombs planted in it. There is no other conclusion to be made when I watch the collapse sequence.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by Frith]

1. "I disbelieve the official story."

2. There is no evidence to prove “beyond” a doubt that a plane hit the Pentagon and there are too many reliable eyewitness stories that contradict the official story of 9/11

I, technically, do not believe the official story. That is to say, I do not embrace it as undisputable fact. However, I also cannot say with absolute certainty that the official story is untrue. It would be more correct for me to say that I neither believe nor disbelieve the official story; however, because not being certain either way excludes a belief in the official story, I can say that I do not believe it while still being honest.

The reasons I do not believe the official story are as follows:

1) Anything is possible, and proof still relies on our perception of it. Perceptions are, however carefully measured, at least potentially fallible. We can look at the sky and say that it is blue, and we can measure the wavelength of the color we're seeing, but those measurements and perceptions still rely on our minds for processing and confirmation. It is possible - whether any evidence exists to suggest this or not - that the mind can be manipulated, or in error. I am humble enough to accept that whatever I think, perceive, sense, or believe, might be wrong.

2) Elements within the government have, in the past, considered staging attacks against American interests, including staged terrorist activity (Northwoods.) Based on all information available to us, it would appear that such consideration never led to action. Nevertheless, it was considered as a potentially viable strategy to justify war.

3) The intent to carry out armed regime change in Iraq was expounded upon by at least one current and/or former administration official prior to 9-11 and prior to the shift toward the "Bush doctrine" that arose from its aftermath. That doctrine and the new impetus toward its use and the justification it found in 9-11, were used to successfully carry out those goals (whether directly or indirectly) in my opinion.

4) There are a number of coincidences surrounding 9-11 which are, in my opinion, disturbing. These persist even when we refrain from considering popular conspiracy theories such as controlled demolition, missile strikes, remote controlled aircraft, and other scenarios in that vein. They are the institutional, economic, logistical, and policy coincidences existing prior to and during the attacks of 9-11-01.

5) Numerous policies that might otherwise have been rebuffed have succeeded due primarily, in my opinion, to the new geopolitical and security climate created (or perceived) as a result of 9-11.

6) The evidence offered by proponents of the various conspiracy theories (controlled demolition, Pentagon discrepancies, etc.) which I have read numerous times and considered carefully, are rather persuasive, if not absolutely conclusive in all instances. In addition, I am not a scientist, and cannot confirm for myself that everything they say is correct or incorrect. I can only place my faith (I use the word faith intentionally) in the scientists supporting their position.

The reasons I am open to the possibility that the official story is true, however, are as follows:

1) Anything is possible, and proof still relies on our perception of it. Perceptions are, however carefully measured, at least potentially fallible. We can look at the sky and say that it is blue, and we can measure the wavelength of the color we're seeing, but those measurements and perceptions still rely on our minds for processing and confirmation. It is possible - whether any evidence exists to suggest this or not - that the mind can be manipulated, or in error. I am humble enough to accept that whatever I think, perceive, sense, or believe, might be wrong.

2) Just because in my opinion 9-11 and its aftermath may have been used to justify a policy of preemptive warfare that allowed for regime change in Iraq does not mean that 9-11 was carried out to justify that war or similar military actions. It may have been, but it does not have to have been.

3) Coincidences could be just that - coincidences - and nothing more. While I regard them as personally disturbing, I cannot prove beyond a shadow of all doubt that they are anything more than that. They may be more than simple coincidences, but they do not have to have been.

4) Policies that succeeded in the aftermath of 9-11 that might have otherwise failed to gain ground may simply be the result of the new light in which events and threats are viewed as a result of 9-11, rather than the continuation of an agenda begun with 9-11. That doesn’t mean that they definitely weren’t, but rather, that they do not have to have been.

5) There are groups with the will and, in my opinion, the capability to carry out attacks against the United States. It is possible that they were simply successful that day. This does not mean that there was no conspiracy by others, but merely that either scenario is possible.

6) The detractors from popular conspiracy theories provide evidence which is also rather persuasive, if not absolutely conclusive in all instances. In addition, I am not a scientist, and cannot confirm for myself that everything they say is correct or incorrect. I can only place my faith (I use the word faith intentionally) in the scientists supporting their position.

I am highly suspicious, concerned, alarmed, and in no way convinced by the official story. That having been said, I am also incapable of proving to myself beyond all doubt that a conspiracy was carried out that day other than that on the part of the perpetrators the official story blames for the attacks.

While I myself remain unconvinced by the official story, I also feel that it is entirely possible for someone to consider all of the evidence on both sides of the fence, conclude that the official story is the truth, and still be a free-thinking, well intentioned individual. I feel this way because I respect those (and the intellects of those) with whom I disagree. In my opinion, belief in the official story and free thinking individuality are not mutually exclusive. They may be contradictory in certain cases, but the same can be said of conspiracy theory and free thinking individuality in certain cases. It depends on the circumstances, and above all, the individuals in question.

Do I believe the official story? No. However, my mind remains open. That is my position on 9-11 at present.

(Edited to draw attention to my main point.)

[edit on 15-3-2007 by AceWombat04]

As for George Bush in the classroom .... his behavior is very curious. He announced his visit to the school 1 week in advance. He doesn't think to himself, "Surely they know I'm here. These kids are in danger. I need to get out of here for the kids safety." Instead he says he didn't want to alarm the kids???? I think a plane crashing into their school might have been traumatic. And if he didn't want to alarm the kids, why did he do a speech from the school with all the kids standing around him. I guess it wouldve only been alarming to them if he excused himself and left the room. Announcing the country is under attack in front of them was probably alot less alarming then, "Excuse me kids. I am being informed I'm needed in the other room for a moment." His actions say he feels in no real danger.

And Condoleezza Rice must have been in the other room saying, "Oh my God! What is going on? I just can't figure out what is going on." Because as National Security Advisor, she could've never even "imagined" terrorist would use planes as weapons. Also, why did Bush make the statement he saw the first plane crash and thought to himself, now thats one bad pilot ... must've had a heart attack. Video for the first crash wasn't available and he was in the classroom when the 2nd plane hit. So, he didnt see either. However, he states twice publicly he saw the 1st plane hit. This is a lie and Condoleezza Rice's staement is a lie. So why did they lie?

1. I don't know what to believe!@#

2. We are building a fighting force of extraordinary magnitude. We forge ourselves in the tradition of our ancestors. Dr. Klahn is a great man, he has our graditude. Let's give Dr. Klahn a great big hand!!

wecomeinpeace started a pole in 2005, Inside job came out on top, not surprising though this is a conspiracy site

Poll: The Truth of 9-11

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i believe most the offical story.
why - because i have listened to both sides of the story and i believe what my own eyes see .

I would hope you would be smart enough to know my position, and i was pointing outhtat before you start fighting people around here you should look around and poke around.

Al-queda did it! Why would anyone in their right mind attack their own country and kill thousands of civilians I know all governments are corrupt to some degree but this is complete rubbish!

The only conspiracy I believe in is the Ufo secrecy conspiracy and this a world wide conspiracy not an American one!

It was an inside job.

One of my thead links : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by sensfan
You want people to state an opinion so you can find out who are dis-info agents? So you think everyone that doesn't believe in a grand conspiracy is working for the government trying to convince everyone that believes in a consipiracy that they are loony?

I dunno, but for a new member, you really are not too familiar with this site. There are NO dis info agents here. ATS, although great, is too small a piece of a huge pie for the government to worry about it, trust me.

Uh oh, I guess I'm gonna be labelled as one of these infamous "dis-info" agents.

And yeah, I do work for the government, but it's the Canadian Government ;-)

You need some stress relief, love your tats too!

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Al-queda did it! Why would anyone in their right mind attack their own country and kill thousands of civilians

I know all governments are corrupt to some degree but this is complete rubbish!

The only conspiracy I believe in is the Ufo secrecy conspiracy and this a world wide conspiracy not an American one!

Don't want to be picky, but it was in US Policy to attack their own citizens to further their agenda. Look up Operation Northwoods. It is no Conspiracy, it is documented fact. They certainly had the nerve to do it, whether they did or not that is up to you.

Become informed about the past so you can understand the present.

Originally posted by sensfan

2 - It would be too big a conspiracy to be covered up for so long by so many people. People can't help but talk. A secret is only a secret till you tell 1 person, then it will get out...EVERY TIME.

[edit on 15-3-2007 by sensfan]

What about when they built the atom bomb? They had thousands of people working and kept that a secret for a long time!

Originally posted by esdad71
Between the both of you, maybe you can buy a blog with your ATS points...oh, i guess not. The government did not commit the act of 9/11. Happy Hunting.

1. Al Qeada
2. We saw it happen on TV, live.....

[edit on 15-3-2007 by esdad71]

This idiot is now on ignore

Originally posted by SocialistAgenda
Al-queda did it! Why would anyone in their right mind attack their own country and kill thousands of civilians

I know all governments are corrupt to some degree but this is complete rubbish!

The only conspiracy I believe in is the Ufo secrecy conspiracy and this a world wide conspiracy not an American one!

Don't you think that the UFO conspiracy is just a little more ridiculous a notion than an entirely human criminal conspiracy like 9/11? I agree with you on the UFO secret. But really, if you think that extraterrestrials from other worlds are coming to the planet then you really don't have much of a leg to stand on to denounce other less outrageous conspiracies like this one. Again, I agree with you on the UFO/ET subject, but c'mon. Please try to keep both conspiracies in perspective when considering one "complete rubbish" over the other.

1. the fact proven previously that those steel core buildings could have not fallen at such speed and in the way they fell.

2. WTC 7, is that enough?

Originally posted by sensfan


2 - It would be too big a conspiracy to be covered up for so long by so many people. People can't help but talk. A secret is only a secret till you tell 1 person, then it will get out...EVERY TIME

It's not a secret anymore. People already *know* How exactly is that a secret? Also, why would you talk if you've committed a crime? How many murders have you heard about that "talked?"

[edit on 16-3-2007 by NegativeBeef]

What about the Madrid and London bombings that followed years after? Did the CIA do that also or what?

What about all the Al-queada videos shown on tv? Where those staged too?

What about the hundreds of afghan detainees still chained like animals in Cuba without formal charges being brought on them?

Probably there are some inconsistencies on the official reports but that does not prove it was an inside job! I think the only charges that can be brought against the American government is of complacency and not taking the threats seriously enough! Perhaps this is what they are trying to cover up!