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Originally posted by truthseeka
Oh, PLEASE!
This is clearly a shot at AA.
There is no other way to describe your use of 3 slaves' sentiments to characterize ALL black slaves than PATHETIC.
I can't BELIEVE you feel that our slave ancestors would have wanted us to live as they did, under the barbaric boot of slavery.
Oh, please. More garbage.
PU-LEEEZE!!!
...I've already pointed out how AA is NOT equal to black privilege.
This latest deflection of yours to avoid talking directly about white privilege is truly pathetic.
Funny how you FINALLY decided to comment on my sources with this latest one; I see you have NOTHING to say about the laws establishing WP that I mentioned.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
40 Acres and a mule would be nice.
(I'll take 20 and a horse I guess)
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
AA is not mentioned in my source. It's only a shot at AA in your mind.
I have heard many, many slaves speak in similar terms.
And many were quite thankful for their lives and how they were treated by "good whites".
They took way more responsibility for their lives and their families than many of their descendants today.
Hey, they're sources from the Internet, just like your sources... If you want to play "source wars", we can. My sources are just as valid as yours.
Just because you said it doesn't make it true, though. You are not the professor here...
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
It's clear to me that many black of people today are more angry at and hate white people much more than their actual slave ancestors.
Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you want?
What do you want?
What do you want?
40 Acres and a mule would be nice.
(I'll take 20 and a horse I guess)
Although we know that will never happen.
[edit on 9-3-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you want from the people here on ATS?
....
It seems that the OP won't be happy until everyone (100%) agrees with him/her. That's unrealistic with ANY topic. So, that's not going to happen. Is that still the goal? To get 100% agreement?
If not, What is the goal here? What do you want (from ATSers)?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And after all that crap you vomited up, you still haven't answered my simple question...
It's not that hard of a question.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you want from the people here on ATS?
....
It seems that the OP won't be happy until everyone (100%) agrees with him/her. That's unrealistic with ANY topic. So, that's not going to happen. Is that still the goal? To get 100% agreement?
If not, What is the goal here? What do you want (from ATSers)?
Dictionary
White privilege: The concrete benefits of access to resources and social rewards and the power to shape the norms and values of society which Whites receive, unconsciously or consciously, by virtue of their skin color in a racist society. Examples include the ability to be unaware of race, the ability to live and work among people of the same racial group as their own, the security of not being pulled over by the police for being a suspicious person, the expectation that they speak for themselves and not their entire race, the ability to have a job hire or promotion attributed to their skills and background and not affirmative action.
Originally posted by truthseeka
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Well, I shouldnt of put it that way. But you are right. Employers will probably set such a resume to the side.
It is a really #ty deal though. I mean, sometime you dont feel like you have a home here in the USA and you cant really go back to africa either. I have seen the way they treat black americans over there, its like they blame them for their ancestors being captured and brought over here. Or maybe they are envious, hell I dont know. But I think that blacks use names like this to try to preserve some shred of their culture.
No, I'm GLAD you put it that way.
See, this trend goes along with non-whites being expected to comform to white society in America. God damn, you can't even name your kid a non-white ethnic name if you want them to have a decent chance at success in America. JUST like your house won't make you as much money if you sell it with non-white ethnic decor in it.
But, this indeed speaks to white privilege. A person with a white-sounding name is assumed to be smart and a good potential employee. A person with a non-white sounding name is assumed to be stupid, lazy, and not worth being employed.
Funny...on the 1st page, you spoke of WP as if it were a fantasy. Now, you acknowledge WP, at least in this context...
2nd, these are 3 instances where it is ALLEGED that they have been discriminated against. It has not been determined by the courts yet if this is true.
Meanwhile, Adversity.Net has been informed that the school district reached a financial settlement with the parents of Jessica Haak, who then dropped their lawsuit and moved from the area.
One year later, Julia McLaughlin was admitted to Boston Latin by order of US District Court Judge W. Arthur Garrity, Jr. It seems that Boston Latin's admission policy was racist and therefore unconstitutional.
Benton Harbor Area Schools reached a settlement with Ms. Atkins in October, 2001. The parties are prohibited from discussing the specific terms of the settlement.
3rd, if true, these are examples of MINORITIES being discriminated against.
4th, these are THREE examples, even if true. In the studies I cited (which you conveniently ignored), the sample sizes used were WAY bigger than 3. Accordingly, the principles of statistics can be applied to establish evidence of a pattern of discrimination.
5th, within this minority (women), white women make a LOT more money, on average, than black and Latino women. This is FACT , btw. As jobs are a main area where AA is used, this provides evidence that white women have benefitted quite a bit from AA
The concrete benefits of access to resources and social rewards and the power to shape the norms and values of society which Whites receive, unconsciously or consciously, by virtue of their skin color in a racist society.
Originally posted by truthseeka
CECIIIIIII!!!!
Good to see you're back. And, thanks for that additional info on WP.
Could Privilege Explain Why We have So Much Difficulty Explaining the Prevalence of Cheating?
I think you may not be quite clear on the concept of white privilege. Privilege is the process by which we assume that our perspective is "right," the only way to see the picture, or, at least, the best way. In the process of assuming that we are "right", we assume that our factual perception of the context is "right." But contexts depend upon social construction, so that some of our underlying factual assumptions will not coincide with the context others are experiencing. In privileging our own subjectivity, we fail to consider the validity claims of those who do not meet our underlying factual assumptions.
So privilege really isn't about playing the game well; it's about refusing to listen in good faith to those whose experiences make them different from us, causing our underlying assumptions not to apply to them.
What Does It Mean to Be White?
WHITE REACTIONS TO WHITENESS
* White people:
* (1) often find the question perplexing,
* (2) would rather not think about their whiteness,
* (3) are uncomfortable or react negatively to being labeled “White”,
* (4) deny its importance in affecting their lives, and
* (5) seem to believe that they are unjustifiably accused of being bigoted by virtue of being White.
Whiteness and Color Blindness
* The pretense by White Americans that they do not see color is motivated by the need to appear free of bias and prejudice, fears that what they say or do may appear racist or as an attempt to cover up hidden biases.
* To be color blind not only denies the central importance of racial differences in the psychological experience of minorities (racism and discrimination), but also allows the White person to deny how his or her whiteness intrudes upon the person of color.
Race privilege refers to a range of advantages people receive because of skin color. In the U.S. it often works according to a "ranking" of persons from darker skin (less privilege) to lighter skin (more privilege). Race privilege also supports race-based stereotypes (for example, the idea that most Asian Americans were not born in the United States). White people routinely benefit from race privilege.
A friend's frustration with racism marks my white privilege: "You know, I went into that same bookstore yesterday, and I noticed right away I was followed. He started immediately after I got in the door. Following me—up and down the stairs, back and forth through the aisles. All I wanted was a book! Why can't I do some shopping without being followed?" I immediately realize this is the first time I have even slightly felt the absence of an employee following me. "You know," my African American friend continues, "it doesn't matter where we are, how we're dressed, what we're doing—you white folks assume we're thieves. I am tired."
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Race privilege: a range of unearned advantages people receive because of skin color. To understand my own privilege, I have had to realize that I am always "raced." The fact that (white) employees do not follow my (white) body at a local bookstore is an example of race privilege. Although I am often quick to assume that race is a factor only in the presence of people of African, Asian, Latin, or Native American descent, race can be an issue among groups of white people (for example when I am not followed by white employees at a bookstore). Racial issues are present regardless of the race of the people in that situation. As a white person, I am concerned first of all with white peoples' participation in race matters.
Historically and currently in the United States, whiteness has been considered the norm. It needs no explanation or defense. In contrast to my Latin American friend (who rarely finds Latin American authors on reading lists), I have never had to search the syllabus for white authors. I am not slotted into categories such as "model minority" (a common stereotype applied to Asian Americans), or "thief" (as my African American friend was). As a person committed to anti-racism, I want to unlearn ways of living that perpetuate my white privilege and leave no space for the well-being and wholeness of people of African, Asian, Latin, and Native American descent.
Black Privilege?
One doesn’t have to be a superhero to take on responsibility. One doesn’t have to swing through skyscrapers to assume the mantle of civic duty. One simply has to be a man or a woman. But political correctness discourages manhood and womanhood amongst blacks and women, for it romanticizes victimhood. It idealizes the victim. It renders otherwise legitimate disciplines such as Black studies and Women’s studies mere Victim studies.
Every legitimate discipline, as a body of knowledge, is dialectical, for each discipline is a series of studies of opposing ideologies. Each discipline (possibly excepting mathematics) tracks the historical movements of the theses and antitheses pertinent to its field of inquiry. Even the natural sciences, as Thomas Kuhn’s “Structure of Scientific Revolutions” reveals, are essentially historical narratives of competing paradigms and paradigm shifts. Twentieth-century physics, for example, comes down to the debate between Albert Einstein and Niels Bohr as to whether or not God plays dice. Anyway, Black studies, as a discipline, bears witness unto the great dialogues of Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. DuBois, Kwame Nkrumah and Franz Fanon, amongst others. At bottom, Black studies is the dialectic of the militant ideology of Marcus Garvey vs. the bourgeois ideology of DuBois.
But black studies, as a pseudodiscipline, isn’t interested in dialogue. It’s about the monologue of the victim. No dialectics here. It’s the black bourgeois monolith of victimology. Hence, this pseudodiscipline neutralizes the Garveyite passion for self-reliance and equity. It neutralizes black agency. It encourages the DuBoisian passions of resentment and envy. It entrenches black victimhood. DuBois is its God. Rev. Dr. King is its patron saint. “Somebodiness” is its holy grail.
Victimology and identity politics (read “victim politics”) are the theory and practice of the black bourgeoisie, respectively. The house Negro thereof sees only from the perspective of the victim. Thus, he is the extreme of self-righteousness, which is OK, for, as we all know, the victim is always right. But is he really a victim? Um, no. Come to my neighborhood in Anacostia, Southeast D.C. — I’ll show you some victims. Come hop on the number 109 for a 20-minute bus ride into Chester — I’ll show you some victims. Victims aren’t privy to $38,000-a-year college educations. Blacks here are just as privileged as their white counterparts. Perhaps William Julius Wilson could give them some much-needed perspective, if he wrote a companion to his “Truly Disadvantaged” and called it “The Truly Underprivileged.”
The 20th century was the Age of DuBois. His Talented Tenth, having usurped Washington’s and Garvey’s leadership, had a century to lead the masses of blacks to self-reliance. They failed. But they themselves succeeded by becoming “somebodies,” i.e., Nigger Jims of white liberal Huckleberry Finns, even if they do segregate themselves to the “safe havens” with virtual “no whites allowed” signs that masquerade as black cultural centers. The Talented Tenth are supremely talented at exploiting white guilt, which manifests in the crumbs they feed off as parasites at the master’s table. They are supremely talented at exaggerating white oppression and black victimhood so as to conceal the symbiosis between white guilt and black tokenism. The house Negro ain’t Robin Hood. He steals from the rich under the cloak of victimhood, but he don’t give back to the poor.
The Garveyite “New Negro” understands his responsibility to lead the masses of blacks beyond victimhood. He beholds the Statue of Liberty in New York, but more important is his statue of responsibility in Alabama — the bronze monument of Booker T. Washington lifting the veil of ignorance from the Negro. Lady Liberty nicely complements that colossus of manly self-reliance. If only the Talented Tenth and the black feminists would get over their jealousy and penis envy of Washingtonian self-reliance and Garveyite virtue
-by Taru Taylor
Black Privilege – the sense of entitlement to anger, attitude and violence – is quietly blanketed in denial and ignorance.
The entitlement implied by, and impregnated in, the new Black Privilege is not about Rolls Royces and bling-bling. We have raised a generation of young people who feel entitled to a rage that is not theirs to own, because it is rage one or two generations removed. It’s rage anchored and authored by media.
Reading about the Black Panthers, seeing a racially charged movie, or hearing about racism from a rap album, some young people feel entitled to strap on weaponry and look for someone to strike. And the person most likely to suffer their theatrical rage will be a real live black person.
Their lack of esteem dictates that you will most likely be the victim of their untethered rage. You talk about the Middle East with young people strapping bombs onto themselves and running into a bus. Young African Americans are strapping the bomb to themselves, and then assembling their closest friends and family members.
The entitlement to anger, attitude and violence is often preceded by the entitlement to placing blame. No matter what happens, first look for someone to blame. Young people are quick to make excuses.
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Fail in school, blame the teacher. Get in trouble with the police, “they singled me out because I’m black.” Get fired at work, “their requirements [like being on time, dressed for business] are unfair to blacks.” Can’t find a job, “the employers are prejudiced.”
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Preaching civil rights without preaching civil responsibilities is irresponsible. The debt owed by The White Man – the entire white race – pales by comparison. The greatest debt owed in the aftermath of slavery is the debt we owe ourselves. And that does not excuse them. It’s just saying that ultimately the responsibility is ours.
Years ago, some of us apparently thought that the thug initiative was cute as entertainment or a curiosity. But now, as it creeps closer and closer to the center of black consciousness, the worry has set in. Must we always be late to the party in order to fancy ourselves as having “arrived?” If the pain is ours, so too must be the relief for that pain.
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We’ve got to do something, because if we don’t resolve the issues of Black Privilege, we won’t have to worry about White Privilege. We won’t have to worry about The White Man at all. He will have moved on to something more challenging than a race of people who are self imploding.
And in the end, when the Epilogue is written, we will not have been betrayed by the thug culture, or its anger, attitude and violence; we will have been betrayed by our own silence.