Est. 300,000+ Innocent Iraqi's Killed

I wanted to make this thread as a tribute to those innocent civilians who have suffered and lost their lives due to this senseless war. To date, over 655,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives compared to our 3,000 troops. As people live their lives it is quite easy to forget that on this foreign soil there is a war going on. People's lives are being affected. Each day I will post more pictures of the victims of war. Let us be reminded of the citizens of Iraq. These people are not terrorists and do not deserve to be treated as such. All of our lives are being destroyed becasue of this. The violence needs to stop here before we find ourselves in the middle of a war on our soil.














Let us also not forget the troops who have given their lives for our nation. Here is a searchable index of our troops. If any of these are personal to you and you would like to share information and/or a photo please feel free to post.




[edit on 2/22/2007 by dirty_underground]

655,000 ....

where is the source ?

KURDS

5 million Kurds liberated.

Posting pictures of mutilated children and playing with emotions still doesnt make me think 655,000 people have died. I prefer qualified news sources over personal opinions. Biased opinions at that.

External Link

This is where the info comes from.....take from it what you will, but I suggest reading the entire article to avoid confusion and arguments.




[edit on 22-2-2007 by sky1]

My source is from everywhere. Here is a link to CNN.


Truth Out Issues



Washington Post

Of the total 655,000 estimated "excess deaths," 601,000 resulted from violence and the rest from disease and other causes, according to the study. This is about 500 unexpected violent deaths per day throughout the country.

Ok, so I watched one of the videos, they say the number is
probably closer to 300,000+. So Fine, I changed the number. This still doesn't change anything. It's an incredibly high number for an unjust cause!

[edit on 2/22/2007 by dirty_underground]

Let's not forget the 1 million+ children who died from unfair and unfounded restrictions put in place after the first Gulf war, because there was no chlorine to treat water, no medicines to cure diseases and banal infections.

Please also give a thought to the untold number of again predominant children who have died from the leukaemia, caused by the use of depleted uranium, DU, for armor piercing munitions ....and say a prayer for those who'll die from the diabolic stuff, now blown to dust and gone in wind and sand to be radioactive for millions of years to come.

To oppose defenders of DU as harmless: yes, it is low radiant and don't pose must of threat as long it stays outside the body. But once inside the body it'll do its work, slowly but painfully ...and terminately.

It's in the wind in particles so small it can never be cleaned up. There's only to wait for the radiation to diminish.

The half time is 4.5 billion years, and the culprit to authorise it realeased in the enviroment for the first time was GHWB, the father of the present presidental creep.

Originally posted by khunmoon
Let's not forget the 1 million+ children who died from unfair and unfounded restrictions put in place after the first Gulf war...

Let's not forget that the children (the TRUE number of which is unknown due to INFLATED numbers put out by Saddam) who died after Gulf War I didn't die from the fair and necessary restrictions put on Iraq, but instead died because SADDAM stole billions in Oil for Food money that was supposed to go to those children. He stole the food and medicine from them to build his palaces and to fund his mass murdering and raping stranglehold he had on the country.

BTW .. your 300,000 dead innocent Iraqis number is completely bogus... unless you are counting the innocent dead Iraqis who died by SADDAMs orders, and then it's been estimated to be 1-2 million.

www.iraqbodycount.org...

According to this database, even the 300,000 figure is 5x or 6x too high, unless all the extra bodies have been cleverly hidden by the insurgents/locals to keep the true numbers unknown.

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Is it deliberate cowardice? A cowardly head-in-the-sand DENIAL of what is occurring in Iraq?

Is the DENIAL of the horror a means of enjoying Western 'freedoms' while innocent civilians SUFFER ?

And if anyone in this thread has suffered even 10% of that shown in the OP's photos as a result of the Bush regime ------ please send in your OWN photo of personal suffering in order we can judge !

WHY the criticism of the OP ?

WHY?

What does the OP hope to achieve, other than grant recognition to the suffering of ordinary people in Iraq (and spark some form of compassion within the compassion-challenged of the aggressor nations)?

I APPLAUD the OP !

In any event, the criticism of the OP's body-count is unwarranted, as may be discovered here:

BALTIMORE, Maryland (CNN) -- War has wiped out about 655,000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the U.S.-led invasion, a new study reports.

source: edition.cnn.com...

[edit on 23-2-2007 by Dock6]

Originally posted by dirty_underground
I wanted to make this thread as a tribute to those innocent civilians who have suffered and lost their lives due to this senseless war. To date, over 655,000 Iraqi civilians have lost their lives compared to our 3,000 troops.

Oh No Not this again the figures have refuted over and over yet we still get thdse blown up figures and Why I ask.

Here check the site that tracks the deaths www.iraqbodycount.org...

or if you choose you can read the names here

(10-16) 04:00 PST Washington -- "NOT CREDIBLE" was President Bush's quick verdict on the new study, published this week in the British medical journal The Lancet calculating that more than 650,000 Iraqis have died as a result of the U.S. invasion and its ensuing chaos. It is understandable that the president would be quick to dismiss such an explosive claim, but the rest of us should take the time to look a bit more closely.

The number of estimated deaths claimed by the study is inconceivably huge, and wildly out of scale with any previous figures we've heard. But it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that the human suffering in Iraq has been far beyond our imagining.

(The Lancet incidentally, is the most esteemed medical journal in the world and not given to exaggeration. In fact, understatement is The Lancet's hallmark.)

source:www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2006/10/16/EDG6PKDSLU1.DTL&feed=rss.opinion

Denial Over Iraqi Deaths

It's been one day in the U.S. news cycle since the findings of the new study on Iraq deaths were released, and still not one credible criticism of the study has surfaced. Yet American newspapers today are filled with headlines suggesting the study's methods and motives are being widely attacked. Dig beneath the headlines broadcasting controversy—"Critics say 600,000 Iraqi dead doesn't tally," "New study estimating number of dead in Iraq hotly contested,""Disputed study says 600,000 Iraqis killed during war "—and you'll find the articles are quoting the same handful of critics, almost all of them Bush administration partisans.

But let's focus on Anthony Cordesman, the one high-profile critic of the new study by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who merits attention. The study's other chief detractors all have obvious biases: President Bush, war cheerleader in chief; General Casey, head of U.S. troops in Iraq, and the Iraqi government, whose strings are pulled by the United States.

Cordesman hails from the centrist Washington national security think tank, CSIS , and strives to be nonpartisan, so I read his comments about the study carefully. His main criticism of the study rests not on the methodology or the results, but on the timing of its release .

Politically influenced, he complains, to affect the outcome of U.S. elections. Perhaps, though he cites not a shred of evidence to support this allegation. And more importantly, that complaint says nothing about the validity of the study's findings.

source: www.tompaine.com...

The 655,000 number comes from the Lancet Mortality Study of Iraq after the Invasion of 2003. It doesnt just count casualties from sectarian violence and battle related casualties, it also counts deaths attributed to increased crime and lawlessness, deteriorated health care and infrastructure, and counts combatants and non-combatants.

Lancet Study

It is called controversial by the US and Iraqi governments, but is supported by statisticians. I dont know what to think about the study. I'm no statistician, no way I could substantiate it myself.

[edit on 2/23/2007 by ludaChris]

Why is the figure of 500 dead Iraqi's per day such a difficult number to accept by the majority of bloodthirsty, pro war, pro bush posters on ATS.

Iraq is a crappy war and 500 deaths per day is very believable.

Just chack out this website:

www.iraqbodycount.org...

Please stop attacking this thread, if you want to spew pro-war propaganda do it on another thread there are plenty on this forum but please let the thread do its intended thing!

WARNING: This war video contains graphic and possibly disturbing footage

Google Video Link

[edit on 23/2/07 by Jimmy1880]

How about I just give you one heck of a long list of pictures folks? This is an Iraqi run website I found by luck:

www.albasrah.net...

Click the picture links (some do not work, most do) and you can look at hundreds and HUNDREDS of pictures of Iraqi suffering.


I believe the numbers are over 600,000+ considering how hard it is to gather the information. As others said, do not forget to add the 500,000+ children who died due to US embargo to stop medical equipment from going in, brings it up to 1,100,000 dead by US direct actions. So you do not like that eh? My numbers are off on the 600,000? Ok lets take the other number, 300,000: 800,000+ dead from US directly. You are putting Sadam to shame, took him 20 years to get a million and you get 800,000 in less than 10. Sickening to think people try and turn away from reality, and keep waving their little flags and shouting "YEEEHAAA! KILL DEM TERRORIS'TS!"
Edit: added above line

[edit on 23-2-2007 by Vekar]

How about we just drop the subject. We all know lots of people died, and we all know taking lives is not equal in value to anything on earth. There is nothing we can do now... it happened, and will continue to happen.

It's life.

You want the number of innocent Iraqi's to drop? Tell those terrorist pricks that keep shooting at American soldiers to stop hiding behind their woman and children, and come out and fight like a man.

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
Why is the figure of 500 dead Iraqi's per day such a difficult number to accept by the majority of bloodthirsty, pro war, pro bush posters on ATS.

Iraq is a crappy war and 500 deaths per day is very believable.

Just chack out this website:

www.iraqbodycount.org...

Please stop attacking this thread, if you want to spew pro-war propaganda do it on another thread there are plenty on this forum but please let the thread do its intended thing!

WARNING: This war video contains graphic and possibly disturbing footage

Google Video Link

[edit on 23/2/07 by Jimmy1880]

Why must one be bloodthirsty to doubt figures that are counter to every other estimate out there? If you see 10, 20, 100, or however many estimates that put the figure at 50-60k, and 1 that puts it at 655k, one must question that estimate. Nobody on the ground, US or Iraqi is seeing those sorts of figures, based upon their personal experiences and not mathematical models. What does bother me is when folks who are against the war, will stoop to any level, and say anything in their efforts to criticize without regards for accuracy. If it supports their agenda, they'll parrot falsehoods.

Connected that was the most blatant spew of government propaganda I have heard in the last month on here, congradulations on regurgetation of government propaganda.

Originally posted by Jimmy1880
... to accept by the majority of bloodthirsty, pro war, pro bush posters on ATS.

oh gee ... no bias there...

Please stop attacking this thread,

If what is stated in the thread can't hold up under pressure, then it's false and deserves to be shown for the falsehood that it is. No free rides are given here!

... please let the thread do its intended thing!

Which is what? To promote the anti-war and/or anti-Bush agenda? That's all that is going on with this thread.

Originally posted by Vekar
do not forget to add the 500,000+ children who died due to US embargo to stop medical equipment from going in ...

... and people still post this as if it were fact, when in truth it has been DEBUNKED numerous times. Vekar .. the number of children who died during the years after Gulf War I can not be determined due to SADDAM inflating the numbers. But the fact remains that any children who died due to not getting medical care or proper food falls on SADDAM. HE is the one that stole the billions in the Oil for Food program. Those billions were to go to get food and medicine for the people of Iraq and SADDAM is the one to blame for when people died during that time. NOT America.

:shk: geeeeeeeze .. debunked over and over and yet they STILL persist with the anti-American bunk.

To the OP:

Once in a while, when thinking about the war, I begin to get depressed.

This time is different. Seeing those pictures has truly moved me. It's not that I haven't seen pictures of the civilian casualties before, because I have, but all together in one place... it feels that the people in those pictures are starting at us, asking us why.

I have tears running down my face. I realize that you meant for this thread to be emotional, and it seems to have worked.

I want it to be clear, I am not letting emotions trump logic, its just I've pushed these emotions down for so long.

Truth be told, I feel guilty. I have never supported this war, but as an American citizen, I feel somewhat responsible for what my leaders committed in my name.

Bush is a war criminal. He should be tried by a world court for his crimes, and if found guilty, executed.