One Third Of The Holocaust:More Compelling Evidence It Never Happened

Originally posted by subz

Originally posted by Nygdan
You said its not a gas chamber.

What? I said no such thing, I said those "gas chambers" are not authentic. Meaning that the "gas chambers" on display were built by the Americans, not the Germans. The buildings that were converted into the so called "gas chambers" that we see today were used as morgues and air raid shelters. The allegation of them being used to exterminate Jews is far from solid fact.

Subz, if you don't start making sense soon, then I'll see no reason to continue the discussion.

First you say that they aren't gas chambers, and that the americans made them. Then you say that you never said they werent' gas chambers, that you were just pointing out that the current structures aren't as they were at the end of the war.
And then you go back to that they weren't homicidal gas chambers.

What is is subz, were they homocidal gas chambers or not and why?

[What country is that that you are flogging?] this is my least favorite forum, I do not like to come here and have to point the various things that obvious to the rest of the populace. This is the last time I will inflict myself upon those that take these things as an "issue"; which I believe is not only past but quite believably proven. If u do not believe that the "holocuast" or some such occured then I take you to be very naive in your belief that "this" did not happen, because if your naivity takes u this far, then I really do not hestitate to mention the incontroversialbe (albeit literally incontroverisial, imagine that!) atrocities of Genghis Khan in his more or less inordinate slaughter of the previous Indian empire, not to mention any number of previous slaugterers in history,to wit, Tamerlane , Alexander, William of Orange, Stalin, The "Allies",Kublia Khan, Ramses, oh wait, pretty much any other esteemed ruler in the name of power in history, must I go on? Nero? Napolean? Ceasar? bloodshed has been popular in the last 2 millenia.

Originally posted by liquidself
I really do not hestitate to mention the incontroversialbe (albeit literally incontroverisial, imagine that!) atrocities of Genghis Khan in his more or less inordinate slaughter of the previous Indian empire,

Funny you should mention old Genghis...

Historians should not place research in the service of making criminal accusations against, for example, Genghis Khan and the Mongol hordes, nor to whitewash any of their wrong-doings. Anybody insisting that research be barred from exonerating Genghis Khan of criminal accusations would be the object of ridicule and would be subject to the suspicion that he was, in fact, acting out of political motives. If this were not so, why would anyone insist that our historical view of Genghis Khan forever be defined solely by Khan’s victims and enemies? The same reasoning applies to Hitler and the Third Reich. Both revisionists and their adversaries are entitled to their political views. The accusation that revisionists are only interested in exonerating National Socialism and that such an effort is reprehensible or even criminal, is a boomerang: This accusation has as a prerequisite that it is deemed unacceptable to partially exonerate National Socialism historically, and by so doing, always also morally. But by declaring any hypothetical exoneration based on possible facts as unacceptable, one admits openly not to be interested in the quest for the truth, but in incriminating National Socialism historically and morally under any circumstances and at all costs. And the motivation behind this can only be political. Hence, those accusing revisionists to misuse their research for political ends have themselves been proven guilty of exactly this offense.

Still reading.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
Anybody insisting that research be barred from exonerating Genghis Khan of criminal accusations would be the object of ridicule and would be subject to the suspicion that he was, in fact, acting out of political motives.

Anyone stating that the khan didn't commit atrocities would be the one guilty of playing out political motives.

Its not a question of what hypothetically can be done. Its a question of where the evidence actually lays, and why a person would exclude information that refutes their position, white wash information that suggests they are wrong, or repeat statements that are demonstrably false. Historians can research anything they want, but when they are, basically, lying, about what happened, why shouldn't they be attacked for the frauds that they are?

Originally posted by Nygdan
Historians can research anything they want, but when they are, basically, lying, about what happened, why shouldn't they be attacked for the frauds that they are?

That´s the problem. If common knowledge contradicts the findings of a researcher, this does not justify attacking the researcher, especially when they make an effort to provide solid evidence. Noone can claim that anyone is lying before examining all the evidence, and they should certainly not be attacked for playing the devil´s advocate when evidence surfaces which contradicts common beliefs.

The fact that White Supremacists and Neo-Nazi´s abuse the findings of Holocaust revisionists for their own purposes and agenda does not mean the researchers are part of those groups.

This has me hooked. Even if I would just abandon this, it would still be there in the back of my mind.

o The documentary "One Third Of The Holocaust" does not contain forensic evidence (at least not to the point where it can be easily checked) which would contradict the official version of the Holocaust

o This documentary however contains serious indications which would suggest that at least some of the stories told by survivors and Allies are exaggerated to say the least. This has prompted me to read some of the revisionist materials available on the Internet, most publications are banned by law in Europe I must add, which intrigues me even more

o This documentary may or may not be made by "Neo-Nazis" but I prefer to think that it is not. Unless someone has solid evidence it is, we cannot make any statement pertaining to that

vho.org... (Vrij Historisch Onderzoek = Free Historical Research)

Still reading.

TruthforHire you keep on mentioning this movie. Do you have any connection to it, and are you promoting it here?

You seem to be so passionate of one movie to prove your facts. I think movies can give you information. Look at Michael Moore's movies. Some good inofrmation here and there, but definitely slanted. I would not bet my view on a subject from one movie. Or at least tell people that one movie proves anything.

I really think this is gorilla marketing of the whatever movie.

Not much to say on this that hasnt already been said but:

Extermination camps are marked with pink, while major concentration camps of other types are marked with blue.

Name of the camp Country (today) Type of camp Operation time Estimated number of prisoners Estimated number of deaths Subcamps Webpage
Arbeitsdorf Germany Labour camp April 8, 1942–October 11, 1942 min. 600 none
Auschwitz-Birkenau Poland Extermination and labour camp April 1940 –January 1945 400,000 1,100,000–1,500,000 list [1]
Bardufoss Norway Concentration camp March 1944–? 800 250 ?
Bełżec Poland Extermination camp March 1942 –June 1943 600,000 [2]
Bergen-Belsen Germany Collection point April 1943 –April 1945 70,000 2 [3]
Bolzano Italy Transit July 1944–April 1945 11.116 list
Bredtvet Norway concentration camp ? ? ? ?
Breendonk Belgium Prison and labour camp September 20, 1940–September 1944 min. 3532 min. 391 none [4]
Breitenau Germany "Early wild camp", then labour camp June 1933 –March 1934, 1940 – 1945 470; 8500 [5]
Buchenwald Germany labour camp July 1937 –April 1945 250,000 56,000 list [6]
Chełmno Poland Extermination camp December 1941 –April 1943;
April 1944 –January 1945
340,000
Dachau Germany labour camp March 1933 –April 1945 200,000 130,000 list [7]
Falstad Norway Prison camp December 1941–May 1945 min. 200 none [8] [9]
Flossenbürg Germany labour camp May 1938 –April 1945 min. 100,000 30,000 list [10]
Grini Norway Prison camp December June 14, 1941–May 1945 19,788 8 Fannrem, Bardufoss, Kvænangen
Gross-Rosen Poland Labour camp August 1940 –February 1945 125,000 40,000 list [11]
Herzogenbusch ('s-Hertogenbosch) Netherlands Prison and transit camp 1943-summer 1944 list [12] [13]
Hinzert Germany Collective point and subcamp July 1940 –March 1945 14,000 min. 302 [14]
Jasenovac Croatia Extermination camp August 1941 –April 1945 700,000 [15]
Kaufering/Landsberg Germany labour camp June 1943 –April 1945 30,000 min.14,500 [16]
Kauen
(Kaunas) Lithuania Ghetto and internment camp Prawienischken [17]
Klooga Estonia labour camp Summer 1943 –September 28, 1944 2,400
Langenstein Zwieberge Germany Buchenwald subcamp camp April 1944 –April 1945 5,000 2,000
Le Vernet France Internment camp 1939 –1944
Lwów, Janowska Street
(L'viv) Ukraine Ghetto; Transit, Labour, and Extermination camp September 1941 –November 1943 more than 40,000 none [18](Go to articles A-Z)
Majdanek
(KZ Lublin) Poland Extermination camp July 1941 –July 1944 78,000 [19]
Malchow Germany Labour and Transit camp winter 1943–May 8, 1945 5,000
Maly Trostenets Belarus Extermination camp July 1941 –June 1944 200,000–500,000 [20]
Mauthausen-Gusen Austria labour camp August 1938 –May 1945 195,000 min. 95,000 list [21]
Mittelbau-Dora Germany Labour camp September 1943 –April 1945 60,000 min. 20,000 list [22]
Natzweiler-Struthof France labour camp May 1941 –September 1944 40,000 25,000 list [23]
Neuengamme Germany Labour camp December 13, 1938 –May 4, 1945 106,000 55,000 list [24]
Niederhagen Germany Prison and labour camp September 1941 –early 1943 3,900 1,285 none [25]
Oranienburg Germany Collective point March 1933 –July 1934 3,000 min. 16 [26]
Osthofen Germany Collective point March 1933 –July 1934
Płaszów Poland labour camp December 1942 –January 1945 min. 150,000 min. 9,000 list [27], [28]
Ravensbrück Germany Labour camp May 1939 –April 1945 150,000 (min. 90,000) list [29]
Riga-Kaiserwald
(Mežaparks) Latvia Labour camp 1942–August 6, 1944 20,000? 16, incl. Eleja-Meitenes [30]
Risiera di San Sabba
(Trieste) Italy Police detainment camp September 1943–April 29, 1945 5,000 [31]
Sachsenhausen Germany Labour camp July 1936 –April 1945 min. 200,000 (100,000) list [32]
Sobibór Poland Extermination camp May 1942 –October 1943 250,000 [33]
Soldau Poland Labour; Transit camp Winter 1939/1940 –January 1945 30,000 13,000
Stutthof Poland Labour camp September 1939 –May 1945 110,000 65,000 list [34]
Lager Sylt
(Alderney) Channel Islands Labour camp March 1943–June, 1944 1,000? 460 none [35]
Theresienstadt (Terezín) Czech Republic Transit camp and Ghetto November 1941 –May 1945 140,000 35,000 [36]
Treblinka Poland Extermination camp July 1942 –November 1943 min. 800,000
Vaivara Estonia ? September 15, 1943–February 29, 1944. ? ? 22 [37]
Warsaw Poland Labour and extermination camp 1942 –1944 Up to 40,000 Up to 200,000
Westerbork Netherlands Collective point October 1939 –April 1945 102,000 [38]

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi-German_concentration_camps"

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Sorry haven't read all the postings I had to comment before i burst!!! So if I'm repeating what others have said i apologise but....

There may have been leisure facilities (cinema, pool etc) but I doubt they were for the "inmates". I had hoped that Holocaust revisionism would die with David Irving, it is just feeble. I too have seen Shoah in it's entirity and it is what it is a, verbal record of the experiences of individuals who were involved in the holocaust. Is it better that millions died by starvation than by gasing. You should watch Sidney Bernstein's film (British Army Photography Unit) on the liberation of Belsen.

If it's a head count to confirm 6mill then yeah it could be inaccurate but only marginally and it could go one way or another up or down. Entire families were wiped out - and as pointed out previously what about the gypsies, homosexuals, academics, ethnic poles, ethnically impure etc etc etc etc. Does it matter how many? and does a swimming pool make it all okay?

The fact that the Red Cross saw nothing govn'r don't exactly wash either -Have you looked at the Odessa movement post war - try a documentary on that for a change of pace. Please do not tell me it is all a conspiracy that is just naive and you my dear are easily led.

For those seeking more info, check out Nick Terry's blogholocaust controversies

He even deals with this 1/3rd film jobby

(thats "jobby" in the Billy Connolly meaning of the word )

Have fun

beagle

pip pip!!!!

I have a few questions:

1) Didn't the guards that testimonied from an earlier quote think about what was going on?

2) The reminanents from cremated person are quite large considering coke was used, how would they have enough space?

3) The water supply in Poland would have been poisoned from the bodies being buried.

4) How did they get around the coke shortage?

I am in no way saying that the Holocaust didn't happen. I would tend to believe that the whole thing has skewed and distorted though. Much the way that our history books do not describe Hitler's reasons for imprisoning Jews either.

We have to look at the times. Germany, government in shambles, was trying to recover from footing the bill for WWI. Hitler, and others, blamed the Zionists for pressuring the US to join in the war, which led to Germany's defeat. The Treaty of Versailles was brutal. Hitler saw the Jews as untrustworthy, the same way we saw the Japanese as untrustworthy during WWII. Do you think they would be talking about a Japanese Holocaust if the war had been waged on our soil, and it had been our resources that were extremely scarce? I'm sorry, I don't deny the Holocaust, but gosh do the History books lie, or stretch the facts, on so many other accounts.

I think it is time for people to understand what WWII was about. It was about creating the nation of ISREAL for the Jews. As much as we tend to ignore it, there is, and has always been, a battle going on for Jerusalem. I am not an anti-Semite at all. I have talked to many Jews who claim that the idea of Zionism is heresy according to the Torah. I don't believe that most of those Zionist leaders are Jewish anyways. They simply understand the importance of controlling that city.

Originally posted by jakeolsen2219
I think it is time for people to understand what WWII was about. It was about creating the nation of ISREAL for the Jews. As much as we tend to ignore it, there is, and has always been, a battle going on for Jerusalem. I am not an anti-Semite at all.

Wow, and I thought WWII was about Japanese, Italian and German Imperial ambitions, silly me. Those wacky Zionists, managing to get someone to kill off millions of their own people just to make sure the State of Israel came into existence. They are so sneaky, I thought it was the Nazi's all the time. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm so glad that you aren't anti-Semitic because if I didn't know better, I would say that you are by your talk. I know, I know you're just against Zionism not against Jews. You just hate all those non Jewish Zionists. Btw it's Israel not ISREAL.

So it goes a little bit like thois:

1. Jews declared a mini war on Germany, boycotting shops and being a general pain in the ass because the Zionist leaders stirred up trouble because they wanted to migrate everyone to Palestine.

2. Germans in Poland getting killed.

3. Hitler invades part of Poland to stop the killings but then ends up with France and Britain declaring war on him.

4. Kills Jews because they screwed the whole thing up in the first place. Remember Zionist leaders started the problems before Nazis started on Jewish population.

5. War ends.

6. Israel is created.

I really hope the holocaust isn't real because then it kind of stands the blame on the Zionist leaders, I hope they didn't scarifice people to get Israel, that would be a horrible.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
o This documentary may or may not be made by "Neo-Nazis" but I prefer to think that it is not. Unless someone has solid evidence it is, we cannot make any statement pertaining to that

There in lies the major problem of any argument regarding this type of documentary. Just because someone took the time to put some propaganda together does not make it true.

Without knowing who made the video, with what funds and for what purpose we have no idea what political twist someone is trying to put on their message. Without knowing the source it stands to reason we have an impossible time gauging their honesty, reliablity and integrity and more importantly their intent.

Everyone spins messages to fit their design, I prefer to know the source so I can attempt to read between the lines.

If you think about it. Hitler was installed by the Illuminati. Bush was funding Hitler to carry out his war through the IBM company. It was probably planned in order to send America to war which benefits Bush Senior and it allowed Germany to be taken over and then controlled by the Illuminati. They even claimed Israel now that they had control of American forces as well as European. So now they are furthering the plan that they started when they created the piece of Israel. The greater Israel will come to be. The concentration camp's were a foreshadow of what would happen to humanity when the Illuminati take control because no one would think it could happen again. Thats why they emphasize it because it was in the past, but it could be in the very near future.

Originally posted by jakeolsen2219

I think it is time for people to understand what WWII was about. It was about creating the nation of ISREAL for the Jews. As much as we tend to ignore it, there is, and has always been, a battle going on for Jerusalem. I am not an anti-Semite at all. I have talked to many Jews who claim that the idea of Zionism is heresy according to the Torah. I don't believe that most of those Zionist leaders are Jewish anyways. They simply understand the importance of controlling that city.

That explains why the Nazi's invaded France, bombed London and conquered many European nations. It was a great ploy to get the Jews out of their concentration camps and into their own country in the Middle East. Those sneaky Germans, what a plan!

Originally posted by rrahim1
If you think about it. Hitler was installed by the Illuminati. Bush was funding Hitler to carry out his war through the IBM company. It was probably planned in order to send America to war which benefits Bush Senior and it allowed Germany to be taken over and then controlled by the Illuminati. They even claimed Israel now that they had control of American forces as well as European. So now they are furthering the plan that they started when they created the piece of Israel. The greater Israel will come to be. The concentration camp's were a foreshadow of what would happen to humanity when the Illuminati take control because no one would think it could happen again. Thats why they emphasize it because it was in the past, but it could be in the very near future.

I'm sorry I don't understand a shred of your conspiracy theory above. Bush funded Hitler ... Hitler who was born in the late 1800's and came to power in the 1920's and died in 1945 ... this man was funded by Bush who was born in 1946??? Even Bush senior, who was born in 1924 would've been a toddle or child during Hitler's reign. But somehow they conspired to make the war??

Originally posted by otester
1) Didn't the guards that testimonied from an earlier quote think about what was going on?

?
THey seemed to support it.

2) The reminanents from cremated person are quite large considering coke was used, how would they have enough space?

Are you suggesting that there is no way to dispose of 6 million bodies, throughout europe? More than 6 million people have died i europe.

3) The water supply in Poland would have been poisoned from the bodies being buried.

Huh? No it wouldn't.

4) How did they get around the coke shortage?

Why would they require coke to dispose of bodies? There's no other way to dispose of a body other than to burn it in a fire fueled by coke?

Jews declared a mini war on Germany, boycotting shops and being a general pain in the ass because the Zionist leaders stirred up trouble because they wanted to migrate everyone to Palestine.

Thats a bunch of Bunk. Firstly, if anyone doesn't want to go to a particular store, they're allowed to. Secondly it was the nazis that were smashing in jewish owned shops and putting up laws against the jews, not the other way around. The jews never declared war on germany, and if the zionists wanted to go to palestine, there was nothing stopping them.

Hitler invades part of Poland to stop the killings but then ends up with France and Britain declaring war on him.

Are you actually suggesting that Hitlers war propaganda was the truth!? That it was necessary to invade poland to protect 'german-ness', and that the jews had to die because they were scum??

And why is it acceptable that the jews get sent to concentration camps for, according to you, boycotting german businesses, but the german minority in chech should have the nazis come to their rescue for agitating against their own government???

And the brits didn't 'unexpectedly' declare war on germany over it. The brits had met with the nazis, and had worked out a deal by which nazi germany could annex the territory. But that wasn't enough for hitler, because it wouldn't let him start a wider war. So they met with him AGAIN, and agreed to lead him use the military to occupy it. He did, and then he oppresed the non-germans living there. It wasn't a "german liberation'.

And then AFTER that, the nazis up and invaded non-german chech anyway.

How ironic that you'd try to say the non-existant oppression of germans in chech justifies the war, but then immedeatly after occupying it, the germans had their little Night Of Broken Glass in it.

I really hope the holocaust isn't real because then it kind of stands the blame on the Zionist leaders, I hope they didn't scarifice people to get Israel, that would be a horrible.

I don't beleive for a split second that you 'hope' 6 million jews didn't die.

[edit on 18-2-2007 by Nygdan]

rrahim1
If you think about it. Hitler was installed by the Illuminati.

There are more than enough threads that discuss the illuminati, hitler, how hitler sent occult groups into the camps, etc. Please carry on that discussion in those threads. This thread is about the holocaust and the evidence about it.

Originally posted by jakeolsen2219
Much the way that our history books do not describe Hitler's reasons for imprisoning Jews either.

Why should they? He imprisoned them and started to destroy them because he felt they were subhuman scum.

Hitler saw the Jews as untrustworthy, the same way we saw the Japanese as untrustworthy during WWII.

And notice we didn't attempt to exterminate them.
The nazi ideology didn't merely say 'the jews betrayed us in the great war, therefore we must fight back', and at least the japanese (but clearly not the japanese americans in general) openly and obviously attacked the US, the Jews never did anything like that. The nazi ideology, racism, ariosophy, etc, beleived that jews were subhumans, a human pollution that must be destroyed to make germany 'great'.

I don't deny the Holocaust, but gosh do the History books lie, or stretch the facts, on so many other accounts.

What do the 'history books' lie about vis a vis the holocaust? Are you talking about textbooks? Why should all high school text books devote space to an indepth study of nazi philosophy and ariosophy, etc etc? And my textbooks when I was a kid DID talk about how the "Victory" of versailles laid the ground for the nazi rise to power.

I think it is time for people to understand what WWII was about. It was about creating the nation of ISREAL for the Jews.

So you are saying that the Jews caused World War II eh.

Yes - Holocaust did happen, proof is there.

No - I do not believe that 6 million Jews were killed, 6 million people were killed in the Germany and german controlled areas between 1935 and 1945, but this includes everyone who died in the regular and military prison systems and those executed for crimes too. You do know that for example looting was punishable by death. So to sum it up, numbers are way off to gather sympathy for jews.



OT
Pavil: of only Italy, Japan and Germany had imperialistic agendas, how about Russian ILLEGAL occupation of baltic countries and the UNPROVOKED attack to Finland at 1939?