"If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

Jsr,
I believe the date was oct 27 or 28 in 1992, the police preceinct is the 123 or 122 (in tottenville) in staten island of the NYC police dept. and my name is Renato Ferraz, be my guest, please let me know the outcome!!

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Originally posted by timedrifter
Jsr,
I believe the date was oct 27 or 28 in 1992, the police preceinct is the 123 or 122 (in tottenville) in staten island of the NYC police dept. and my name is Renato Ferraz, be my guest, please let me know the outcome!!

do realize how dificult it will be to request a police report filled by your mother, while using your name as a reference on the date of the 27th or 28th in two diferent preceincts?

honestly, i thought you would have already had the report. it is however, a pivitol point in your whole story.

look, i was interested to know what you told the police, and, your parents after you showed up from being missing for several days.

if you told them aliens took me, i find it hard to believe nobody suggested, or offered to you to go see professional help.

what was your reason for being missing?

Tottenville is the 123rd precinct

116 Main Street
Tottenville, New York 10307
Tel: (718) 948-9311

the 122 is New Dorp

2320 Hylan Blvd.
New Dorp, New York. 10306
Tel: (718) 667-2211

TD I have a question for you. The people that volunteer, do they go on time travel missions or are they just for the mass landing?

On the Deck & T.D.?

I was just pondering a few things regarding Time travel and wanted your input as well.

Here's a little theoretical thought I had (humor me with this train of thought):

Let's assume that we all have SOULS/CONSCIOUS ESSENCE (may not be everyone's belief).

Now if there is ONE soul per ONE body, and we have the ability to time travel and visit ourselves, then my questions are:

1. Do souls get split in half when we visit ourselves?
2. When it comes to 'different time dimensions', are souls connected so there isn't any 'splitting up'?
3. Do we 'borrow' from our essence/soul and tap into that to be able to exist in another dimension?
4. How can 1 persons' soul exist/function differently and yet simutaneously in 1 time frame along side of other different souls - They are all YOU, right?

I know these questions are pretty 'out there', but I'm sure alot of people must have thought about these things one time or another.

I have loads of other questions, but for now, I wanted to hear your thoughts, as well as others on this thread.

I look forward to your reply

JSR, good questions.

I believe that Renato told me when he spoke with the police he may have mentioned aliens. Their response, if I'm even recalling this conversation correctly, was that he shouldn't tell anyone else about that, because they might think he's crazy. Renato can confirm this, but I think this is a conversation we had. I'll let him respond.

Crakeur, thank you for the info. This is on the list of things Renato wants to do, so you've saved us some time. I wonder how hard it would be to get these records...We'll see I guess.

I wanted to say that all of this is real, and Renato is serious. Hopefully that is clearer, now that we're exchanging real information, and inviting people following this story to check the facts for themselves.

CORTARA, you asked,

The people that volunteer, do they go on time travel missions or are they just for the mass landing?

As I understand it, the volunteers will be called on before the mass landing, and will be a part of that, as well as involved in plenty of other missions. Renato can answer that as well.

Hi, TheDuckster! You are asking a question I had as well. I hadn't posed it to Renato simply because, if it works I wasn't necessarily interested in how it might work. I believe he was and is cloned, but how this is able to be reconciled with a "one soul, one person" ideology is the unresolved part. I am curious, as well, how this works...

Your questions are not out there. We have been operating under a lot of assumptions about our existence; and the theory of each of us having one eternal soul is a part of these ideologies. This seems to contradict that, so it makes sense this question would arise.

I know Renato has trouble with the technicalities, and is able more to simply communicate his experiences, but I'd be curious what his thoughts are on this...

Thanks, TheDuckster!!

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Crakeur, thank you for the info. This is on the list of things Renato wants to do, so you've saved us some time. I wonder how hard it would be to get these records...We'll see I guess.

it took about two seconds to locate it. about as long as it took to get the other address list I posted which you won't talk about (snicker snicker)

If there is was a missing persons report filed (calm down, I am not saying there was or wasn't), then they should have it in some records dept unless the NYPD does a paper purge after a certain amount of time. I did check around the NYPD and NY gov't sites and there is mention of making missing persons reports accessible to the public as it might aid in finding the missing persons but there wasn't a link nor was there a contact for back reports, only a number for current cases.

You're right. One would hope it wouldn't take long. Hopefully they keep records.

In any event, I've sent a request to Police Commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly asking how one obtains a missing persons report for this time frame, October 1992.

Here are screenshots of my request. Maybe we'll get somewhere...



Here it is sent:




*fingers crossed*

This is fifteen years ago, but you never know...

Already received auto response:



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On the Deck & T.M.?

For what PURPOSE did you BLACK OUT the information on the papers that you provided?

Seriously, why would you BLACK OUT that info if you COULD provide proof?

"IN FOR A PENNY, IN FOR A POUND"

I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, like I previously stated.

Yet, this is clearly something else.

Help me on this one?

I'm not insinuating any disrespect when I posted what I did.

I was just curious.

When I see things 'blackened-out' I am courious to 'Why'?

Are you taking a 'random' form, 'blacking out other info' and citing this?
What is happening fellows?

If 'I' wanted to help everyone in this thread to come to an understanding of some sorts about ALL that I 'professed' to be CORRECT in my statements to others RE: Time Travelling; I would have included a statement form that would not have been BLACKENED OUT.

If On the Deck or T.D, was afraid for some reason that the info they provided would incriminate them to 'higher levels'then 'mabey the fact' of blackened-out answers on the paper provided.

I understand that On the Deck is an afiliate/transcriber for T.D. to some point, and that On the Deck will fill in for T.D. when needed/prescribed.

So, when PROOF is needed on this thread to continue this 'story', why NOT stick your neck out further and provide it? - RE: my point on blackened out material (boy oh boy...like asking teeth to be pulled or asking for Area 51 documents to be put forward to the public in its TOTAL entirety/without blackened out s**t).

All I'm asking is for a little slack folks.

I'm done my rant. Sorry everyone.

Just wanting answers.

Let us all Deny ANY IGNORANCE, and supply truth to ALL!

"That's my story...and I'm stickin with it".

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
My friend does not at the moment have access to time travel technology.

Although, he has seen events come to pass (in his mind, this year, although at the latest it could be 2008/2009) whereby his future self comes back to meet him and "hooks him up" with access.

So asking to see this technology is pointless. That he is currently aware of, he has not traveled to our time from another time - he was born just like everyone else.

But his experiences, including his abduction experience, have shown him that he is currently time traveling as his future and younger self, and that he will come to visit himself in the next 12-36 months.

He says he has traveled into the future, past and other planets, and that clear memories of all of these travels began to emerge in 1997, five years after a six day abduction experience.

So, there you go. Wanted to get that out, so people knew who they were talking to. If I'm missing pertinent information please let me know.

OK, also, he jokes a lot (not about this) and he's very forthright, so please keep an open mind and know that he has no intention of being rude, or being condescending.

Thank you to everyone I see who's posted so far. He gave me a short answer to Spiderj's questions.

keep 'em coming!! I talked to him and he's game...

If your friend DOESN'T have access to time travel, then from WHAT MEANS is he able to give out info? HOW is he able to give ANY INFO/ pertineant information.

Tangible?

WHAT is forbidding you from disclosing 'hands-on' facts to people in this thread?

This is a record for me where I could post THIS many times in a row, without having any retorts.

But it's not about Guiness records.

If real TIME TRAVEL WAS CONCERNED, then I tip my hat to those involved, and bow out. However...

I've asked (and others have asked) REAL questions, in this real time, as to whether this 'story' is GENUINE?

On the Deck and T.D. have stated their case.

I'm not feigning to be 'judge/jury/ or whatever.

If T.D's posts are TRUE, then anything I and everyone elses posts' will be insignificant compared to this upcoming 'CONCERT'.

If nothing happens, well? what can I say?

Can this be likened to any ongoing 'prophesy thread' ?

Don't know.

I'm a curious creature that 'fixates' myself to what is MORE than plausible.

I WANT THE TRUTH.

There was nothing there. I was probably being overly cautious.

All I blacked out was the first and last name "Peter Parker" (Spider-man). That's the name I used when I created my Yahoo! email address, which is [email protected].

If I would have known it would have bothered anyone I wouldn't have blacked it out.

I'd rather not give out my whole name, but my first name is Bart.

There are no secrets here, but there is some respect for privacy.

Renato, on the other hand, is crazy, that's why he's putting his full name out there LOL And he knows I'm kidding about calling him that.

Nothing mysterious or secretive here. Send me an email and I'll happily respond.

I will post the notice I receive, as well as my correspondences, details of any phone conversations, and documents I receive.

TheDuckster, don't worry. There is nothing but my last name and home address I am keeping from anyone. Promise.

You'll get everything unadulterated and free of black marks. This is not the federal government. I don't shred papers, or blackout documents.

Let's see what the commissioner (Commissioner Gordon? hehe) says. Hang tight. If I don't get any help from him I will take my search elsewhere. Either by calling both precincts, or finding another way to track down old missing persons reports.

If anyone has any suggestions along those lines I'd appreciate that also...




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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
There was nothing there. I was probably being overly cautious.

All I blacked out was the first and last name "Peter Parker" (Spider-man). That's the name I used when I created my Yahoo! email address, which is [email protected].

If I would have known it would have bothered anyone I wouldn't have blacked it out.

I'd rather not give out my whole name, but my first name is Bart.

There are no secrets here, but there is some respect for privacy.

Renato, on the other hand, is crazy, that's why he's putting his full name
out there LOL And he knows I'm kidding about calling him that.

Nothing mysterious or secretive here. Send me an email and I'll happily
respond.

I will post the notice I receive, as well as my correspondences, details of any phone conversations, and documents I receive.

TheDuckster, don't worry. There is nothing but my last name and home address I am keeping from anyone. Promise.

You'll get everything unadulterated and free of black marks. This is not the federal government. I don't shred papers, or blackout documents.

Let's see what the commissioner (Commissioner Gordon? hehe) says. Hang tight. If I don't get any help from him I will take my search elsewhere. Either by calling both precincts, or finding another way to track down old missing persons reports.

If anyone has any suggestions along those lines I'd appreciate that also...

Hey 'bart', call me 'angie'.

I understand the privacy issue, however what's with your other thread?

I posted on there tonite.

Why the 2 threads? bart?

They could very well be combined into 1?




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The other post, as well as this post, were opened at different times.

The other post you mention was just another question to people. The question was, "How can someone prove to you they time traveled?" (LINK).

We just wanted to see how easy (or difficult) it would be to prove to people that you had time traveled. In that case, that thread was started by me on Renato's behalf on January 19, 2007 (I had to look that up). It was actually a question he had asked on other message boards.

This thread was started a few days later with a different question. These were not intended as a way for Renato to come out and prove his story. These threads were intended to open a dialogue on the subject.

There is no relation to John Titor here, for example, except that Titor came right out and said he was a time traveler. At that point all constructive discussion ended and the discussion became Titor simply making proclamations, and readers asking for proof.

The importance of have an open discussion and inviting ideas was lost in favor of these two other directions, and this is not what myself or Renato wanted.

There has to be a place where people can share ideas and not judge or be judged, and not have the conversation devolve into an "us against them", or an argument about proof. These are worthy discussions, but not what we were seeking here.

This aspect of what is happening now is being neglected. And it is a critical aspect of what we are seeing unfold on this planet right now; it has to go hand in hand with what is happening to us and our planet. If we don't discuss these things and ignore them, we will have missed the opportunity to grow through simple reflection on these things.

Take sleeper's thread for example, "I'm coming clean on extraterrestrials." (LINK)

This is a good example of a discussion about items that cannot necessarily be proven, but people are nevertheless engaging in this discussion. Discussions like these are important. For one thing, they reflect our evolution of thought and consciousness.

A couple of decades ago, and probably more recently, few on this planet would be willing to have discussions such as these without feeling they're doing something "crazy," "taboo," or "wrong".

It's important that we can have discussions such as these without necessarily providing proof, but simply to recognize the importance and benefit of simply having a dialogue.

When people start demanding proof of things they lose sight of what's happening, and it becomes a case of an angry mob stoning the messenger.

I can use Jesus Christ as an analogy. And I don't mind saying sleeper is analogous to Jesus Christ. Anyone who is simply trying to share information that challenges prevailing viewpoints has brought out the Roman in each of us. sleeper has suffered his fair share.

Fortunately, he has come out the other end fairly unscathed. The fact of this is important, and it may be an indication of why all of this stuff is happening all around us right now.

It's all right to doubt this story. And I understand that now everything myself and Renato do or say will be, much like sleeper, held up to very close scrutiny.

We are, however, just a couple of regular people, who are prone to the frailties of human memory and other human flaws.

The important thing is what you take away from what Renato and I are doing. If what you take away is resentment, bitterness, negativity and a feeling you are worse off than when you came here, then Renato's story and consequent revelations are not doing you any good. You should move on and find a way to fulfill yourself and make yourself happy. That is paramount.

If Renato's story has opened your mind at all to possibilities, made you hopeful for the future, and empowered you to have faith in yourself - in the value you have as an independent being in this universe, then that is why he's done it. You've then made Renato and myself feel like what we're doing has value and is worth it.

I shouldn't have to point this out, but if what you're reading competes with your ideologies, you could reflect on why this is so and see if the things that you've been holding onto so tightly are the real things you took them out to be, or if they were more given to you by those outside of you with whom you accepted as authorities on the subject.

There is always a possibility that your beliefs need to be questioned and reevaluated. Stephen Hawking was acute enough to realize that sometimes you have to reevaluate your beliefs and conclusions, and by doing so, you can evolve with the universe around you.

If you stick to a belief system so stubbornly that it stops being applicable to what is really happening around you, then you need to reevaluate your conclusion. Our physicists have come to scientific conclusions about our reality that they have had to rethink and reformulate to take new data into account - and this is with regard to physical reality.

Why then can't people apply the same methodology to the area of speculation about our reality, when it's implied as a "belief system" and "ideas," that are not fact, but our presumptions about the nature of our universe engendered to us by those that have gone before us.

We have accepted the words and ideas of others and cobbled together our own view of the universe, and a lot of the time have ignored new data, or forced that data to somehow "fit" in with our little picture of reality.

The neat little picture each of us has created for ourselves has to be questioned, reevaluated, and understood for what it is. Especially if what we have been provided through tradition was manipulated to our detriment. In that case, it is imperative that we sit down, take a closer look, and question every item until we are ultimately satisfied. If you accept wholeheartedly what has simply been passed down from generation to generation without question, you do so at your own peril.

As of late, what I have found is that we have been mislead on too many subjects: history, religion, science, consciousness, space, ET's, banks, debt, politics, all of it. At that point, I dropped every belief I had and started from scratch.

In a practical and very real way, I started from the thought that I exist and work out from there. You can build up a pretty rock solid foundation of independent thought. The next conclusion should be, there are others that exist along with me; followed by, how do I treat those other beings? And so on...What political party you decide to adhere to should be at the bottom of the list.

I know I have a tendency to make big posts but this all goes part and parcel with what we're doing.

It's too simplistic to say question everything, because people say that and walk away. But by approaching these subjects from a different angle, maybe we can slip a few things past your belief system guards and open a few doors...And maybe further, create a small revolution to the person hiding in the castle...We want to create a mind revolution!! LOL

Not only that, we want a physical revolution against the inhumanity and injustices that we are sick to freaking death of.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

LOL Hang in there, angie...It's going to get better...

Q: What is the GO?

A: Blah blah blah the worlds in danger blah blah we ended up causing a huge disaster blah & i've come back to change it blah blah blah, will you help me?

Q: So it's not just for a holiday?

A: OMG WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!!!!

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
revolution

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

come on OTD,
john lennon and the beatles?

what? down with capitalism?
viva la karl marx?

i told you this was headed for idealism.