"If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?"

hey syrinx do u like that pic? lol
cracker i would like to know if u like it

I know, I can lay it on thick.

blah blah blah blah blah

I trust some of that got through to you, then.

I do not believe in time travel...

And there it is. One sentence could have saved you so many posts. And I'll finish your sentence, "...ergo it does not exist."

...nor do I believe that we should accept everything we are told as truth.

This goes without saying.

Wait, maybe win can ask god for the address.

Win 52, TD, myself and others appreciate that you're placing fair and respectful posts.

You can keep checking back for the Montauk address, but it won't be forthcoming. I think by cr*pping on other people posting here you've probably used up any favors.

If your manners return, then you are welcome to as well.

i48.photobucket.com...
idk if its working =[
so sad so sad
well i mean seriously why do u just keep on coming on here and like idk "dissing" idk what the slang is but yea its annoying pls stop kk
apparently theres people here who want to talk about the matter at hand and not idk descriminate the idea its even possible or w/e its seriously dumb and annoying and pathetic i mean its the internet cant u bully someone in ur moms basements instead i mean sheesh ffs

OTD yay finally sum1 is on lol hello ther.
i think we have a pressing issue... cracker. hes annoying and i dont think im the only one who feels this lol. idk but i think im wasting space in these posts so yea...

um lol idk what to type so ill just click post

I read TD's response to Crakeur's request as a stab at remembering an address or location from several years ago.

If you, as did Crakeur, want to cling to one event, the location of which was approximated by TD, go right ahead. If the specific address is keeping you from nirvana you are going to miss the boat.

Both you and Crakeur are posting insulting, meaningless posts that offend more than enlighten and have no place here.

You can presume to fully understand TD's story without doing any research if you wish. That is your prerogative. But if you make a cursory search and disbelieve it, then move on. There's obviously nothing of interest for either of you.

You and Crakeur are so sure this is bunk, then save yourselves and go. Depart with your dignity intact that you weren't duped into believing something so outrageous.

Go forth and fight injustice elsewhere. You have slayed this dragon.

Don't leave angry, just leave. If you can't add anything positive or meaningful, then you're only detracting from the conversation and lowering the level of discourse.

Show yourself, others posting, and me and TD some modicum of respect and courtesy. It's not unfair to ask that, and it can't be impossible to grant.

OTD POSTED THIS IM USING AS REFFERENCE KINDA SORTA I THINK:-syrinx high priest...

I read TD's response to Crakeur's request as a stab at remembering an address or location from several years ago.

If you, as did Crakeur, want to cling to one event, the location of which was approximated by TD, go right ahead. If the specific address is keeping you from nirvana you are going to miss the boat.

Both you and Crakeur are posting insulting, meaningless posts that offend more than enlighten and have no place here.

You can presume to fully understand TD's story without doing any research if you wish. That is your prerogative. But if you make a cursory search and disbelieve it, then move on. There's obviously nothing of interest for either of you.

You and Crakeur are so sure this is bunk, then save yourselves and go. Depart with your dignity intact that you weren't duped into believing something so outrageous.

Go forth and fight injustice elsewhere. You have slayed this dragon.

Don't leave angry, just leave. If you can't add anything positive or meaningful, then you're only detracting from the conversation and lowering the level of discourse.

Show yourself, others posting, and me and TD some modicum of respect and courtesy. It's not unfair to ask that, and it can't be impossible to grant.-otd's idk if itll say that originally posted stuff so i put this on ther


YAY. exactly what im saying otd. if u dont like or agree with what were talking about dont fokin tell us let us have fun and talk to eachother about this topic so hard to do i know but give it a try.

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It's a shame that people can't be just a littttttttle bit more civil to each other RE: Crackeur butting heads with the people on this thread.

(I saw the pic - yikes! lol Saltines...nothing like adding the perverbial salt to the wounds?!?)

Anyways, back to the subject at hand...

I've been keeping an eye on this thread since it's beginnings. I've added my comments a few times.

Do I believe what TD says? I don't know.
I try to keep an open mind about a lot of things.
Not too much surprises me nowadays. Technology is getting pretty advanced as compared to 5, 10, 20 years ago...Heck, one day you buy a new puter, in a few weeks to 1 month, it's obsolete! (I think my puter has grey hairs now).

I can ONLY imagine what is in store for us down the road.
If what TD says is TRUE, then we are in for a helluva ride. Sounds very exciting!

All in all, Thankyou TD for giving us a glimpse of what is to come!
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Keep up the good work; I look foward to your next postings.

It would be pretty cool to see OUR paths cross (in a positive way)

I don't want to make this good guys vs bad guys. There are apparently a lot of emotions wrapped up in the subject of alien abduction and time travel, both of which are being suggested here.

Why this is the case is beyond me. This is just a discussion.

The poster, timedrifter, with whom I am friends, claims that he had an abduction experience, during which he had time traveled, and has had bizarre experiences his entire life with a person who looks, acts, and talks like him, and who has told timedrifter that he is indeed him, from the future.

For the most part, we are not offering proof. What proof we are able to offer is coming in the form of interviews/conversations with witnesses to many of these events. But this is apart from the purpose of this thread, which is to pose questions to the individual making the claims.

And because timedrifter has just recently come out with his experiences, and has begun putting his real identity out there and confessing about these experiences, we are hoping that he draws more witnesses to him, so we can interview them. This is no joke.

In the meantime, hopefully this will not devolve into an argument thread.

For those who wish to ask questions, please do so. For those who wish this thread to go away, your job is easier - simply do nothing. This thread will be buried as deep as you would like it to be.

I would only ask, and I know anyone else would ask the same, that posters please show respect to everyone here. Even me.

I hope for everyone reading this, and I know TD does to, that these good things come to pass. And I hope everyone is watching events unfold through tears of joy. Bring the positive back, and bring your fellow humans up, not down.

We are having a very hard time of it as it is. And if you think this is a hoax thread to take advantage of people for personal gain, you are very sorely mistaken.

The OP and TD are sick of people being used, controlled, lied to, tortured and exploited. There is enough of that. That stops here. Be kind to others. Because they are just like you. They have fathers and mothers and sisters and brothers.

Peace.

lol so u saw the pic. nice it was very random that i find it at this time of course but i guess it just worked... seeing as cracker is just idk being annoying

lets get back to the main picture. timetravel right? im seriously begining what we where enjoying earlier but lets just get back to that and if anybody has somethin to post like bs i would say they should just go ahead its us beleiving his story not you and if we choose to beleive it we will so bla.

well now that were hopefully done with that i have some questions and etc to ask

so td how u say were gonna have this concert (wich ill be attending lol)
how will they get here i mean the law e=mc2 is already here and how will they get here fast enough before like idk they die u know jw.

what is this im hearing about mel gibson lol

well im gonna go ill ttyl bye bye

Originally posted by schmidty_beleives
i found a picture on the internet i thought you would enjoy here u go

i48.photobucket.com...

i hope that will work for u

lol, that link opens your whole album dude. I'd delete it if.

so posters here really believe JFK, Elvis, and Jesus will be at a Slayer concert, just cuz this guy posts it on the internet ?

Sorry, if anyone out there really believes, check out TD's myspace page, and his website, and it will become obvious this is an attempt to start a "titor-esque" phenomenon, and profit from it.

I can't believe this thread hasn't been dumped, and TD banned for hoaxing.

ATS looks really asleep at the wheel on this one

Everyone who takes issue with this story seems to fall back on the argument that this is a money making scheme, or a scheme to simply draw attention.

Nothing is for sale. And it should be clear to anyone following this that the whole thing is being motivated by a need to get what could be a positive future out to as many people as possible.

It's also motivated by contempt for those select few who have been calling the shots on this planet at the expense of the majority who suffer here. And that is coming to an end.

No one wants to read what TD's written, to listen to his witnesses recall the same experiences, to listen to other credible abductees confirm events TD sees as coming to pass, or to listen to free form interviews wherein TD discusses his experiences.

It's very easy to sit back and make judgment calls on this story without spending an ounce of time looking into it. And you are welcome to do so.

It just doesn't say as much about the claims that TD is making as it does about the individuals dismissing this story outright.

TD is honest and sincere with regard to the information he is sharing. If you spent time looking into his story you would know this.

No personal offense against you though, syrinx. I understand why you're stalemated with this story, and your opinion is as valid as anyone else's. You have just come to that opinion at the expense of a sincere investigation.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I can't believe this thread hasn't been dumped, and TD banned for hoaxing.

ATS looks really asleep at the wheel on this one

amen to that sister.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so posters here really believe JFK, Elvis, and Jesus will be at a Slayer concert, just cuz this guy posts it on the internet ?


ATS looks really asleep at the wheel on this one

I have no idea who will be there. At this point I am going with the flow, because there are too many things that match up for me to discard the whole story. It is a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

I respect the decisions made by admin. here on ATS. They are a very fair bunch and very thorough. They would stop this, if they felt it was wrong. There is enough truth here to let things continue and by tossing this out prematurely, there would be no finality.

You need to let things run their course. Pointing fingers and taunting are childish playground bullying tactics for people who have no other position to fall back on.

The stories that I have been following do tend to loose popularity and fall by the wayside. It would be probable to suspect that the people who started them have just given up due to all of the verbal manure slung at them. For the most part, the stories never have a chance to mature.

If people believe that there are big $ with this type of story in the Sci Fi scene. Sorry to burst your bubble, they will all tell you this is old material and they are looking for new stuff. No big money for new writers here.

These stories keep coming forward at a very fast pace. There are too many stories from too many regular people, who are not in it for the money. What does that tell us? Something is going on that is not like what we are being led to believe.

These people are just looking for answers to questions that they are being told by authorities "don't exist". If you read any history about people on Earth, this is common a behaviour pattern. The problem is that we aren't going to take it any more. (oh...was that a subliminal message? My bad)

The only two individuals who have stated contrary points of view are simply dismissing this story at face value.

Crakeur at least went a step futher and suggested that, because he perceived what he saw as a lie, presumed the whole story was false. Fine.

There are no lies here. The presumption that either myself or TD has told a lie is not proof of that fact.

To continue posting that this story is a lie is unfair to me and TD, without specific proof of this.

Your presumption of falsehood does not constitute objective proof of this fact. Do not get belief confused with facts.

Just because you assume that the extempore response to your request for the location of a building in Montauk was imprecise does not equate to a lie. TD attempted to recall the exit in his response to a specific post of yours and may - "may" - have recalled this exit number incorrectly.

This does not equate to a lie, so please discontinue the namecalling. He is not lying. And having trouble recalling an exit number correctly is not proof of a lie, nor does it undermine a lifetime of experiences that TD has had.

TD obviously guessed at the exit that he took a few years ago, that he used to travel to an I.R.S. location in Montauk, which he had only done on a couple of occasions. This was not a location he traveled to every day.

Crakeur cannot see past his own stubborn incredulity, and has, in leiu of actually investigating TD's story any further, simply dismissed it as total fabrication. Fine.

And posts such as the following are discourteous, help no one and have no place on a message board that ATS has allowed to remain here, and for good reason - we are only discussing.

quote: Originally posted by syrinx high priest
I can't believe this thread hasn't been dumped, and TD banned for hoaxing.

ATS looks really asleep at the wheel on this one

quote: Originally posted by Crakeur
amen to that sister.

If Crakeur and others like him would like to censor, cherry pick, block, or annihilate anyone they deem unfit to post this would be a sad website indeed. Is this in the spirit of open discussion, or in the spirit of Crakuer knows best, and censors what he believes shouldn't get through. I'm sorry, but our government is working with this form of free speech and it's not really working for me.

How could anyone deny others' expression simply because they disagree? Maybe we are lying - does that mean we should be shut up? This is the flawed reasoning that keeps certain people silent unjustly, and I'm glad I'm not seeing this form of "rule" here.

Crakeur makes a presumption of guilt here. A presumption, backed only by his beliefs and a matter he himself sees as proof that everything here is a lie.

Crakuer demands proof in the spirit of a mad throng threatening someone making claims. Unfortunately for those buying in to Crakeur's ideology, TD will have to step back on this issue and allow this perception to be propogated by Crakeur and others.

It is not TD's intention to back up all of his claims, so you may continue to propogate the theory that these are all lies, but please discontinue your discourtesies on this thread. It's not fair to the OP, TD, or those who sincerely want answers.

That TD is lying, his friends, coworkers, family and others are all lying so TD can glory in his new found adulation is absurd.

If this is a position you take on this subject, then go ahead and believe that. It says more about you than it does about TD. Crakeur has taken the role of judge, jury and executioner without giving TD a chance to present his evidence, just as a kangaroo court would.

If anyone wants to believe these are all lies, then please do so. They are all lies. TD is lying. I'm lying. We would like you to not only get rid of this thread, but to throw up two nooses and hang the two of us for the fraud we have perpetrated on ATS as a whole. It's clear we don't respect ATS or any of its users. (Note to Crakeur, just in case your freedom-trampling mind generates a desire to take my words out of context here, let me ask that you please do not do that.).

Go in peace, Crakeur, syrinx, and others. Why are you still watching the show? You have more productive things to do with your time.

Grow up and stop calling people names. If you wish to cobble together a case against TD and myself, please make a separate thread and post to your heart's content. This is not a proof thread. It's a speculation thread, and rudeness and disrespect are not allowed.




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Originally posted by OnTheDeck
There are no lies here. The presumption that either myself or TD has told a lie is not proof of that fact.

He says he delivered laptops to the IRS facility in Montauk. That facility does not exist. When I asked for the address, rather than give me the address he said he took exit 52 to get to Montauk.

There is no facility in Montauk and, rather than say "gee, maybe it wasn't the IRS" he stuck to his guns. Stating that he went there was a lie.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
To continue posting that this story is a lie is unfair to me and TD, without specific proof of this.

Prove that the IRS facility in Montauk exists and I will admit I was wrong. The one lie indicates that the rest of the story might be b.s. as well.

Originally posted by OnTheDeck
Just because you assume that the extempore response to your request for the location of a building in Montauk was imprecise does not equate to a lie. TD attempted to recall the exit in his response to a specific post of yours and may - "may" - have recalled this exit number incorrectly.

Ok, let's assume he was wrong in his statement that he took exit 52 to get to the imaginary facility in Montauk. I'll allow that he was off by 19 exits. The request for the location of the IRS facility in Montauk still stands. He worked for the IRS, let him prove the address.

Prove me wrong guys. Give me the address. C'mon, tell me it's locate in Gosman's Dock or just off the dock, behind the Ben & Jerry's, sandwiched between the Ferry and the party boats. Tell me it's in the first circle when you enter the main town, off to the left, before the little clothing store that also has art exhibits. Tell me's off toward's the beach, nexst door to the furniture store or behind Earthly Soul's surf shop.

Originally posted by Crakeur
....behind Earthly Soul's surf shop.

they have surf shops in new york?
i thought surf shops in galveston texas was a little funny.

im from texas....

sorry to derail the circus.
"keep you attention on the center ring folks....."

OTD...I just started looking into remote viewing. I had no idea what this was about. I think this is what I have been doing, without knowing what it was. The audible voice still is up in the air as to what is going on, but the direction is proven to be true.

The effort put forward by the US Govt. is nothing to sneeze at. They have spent billions of tax dollars investigating this and are using it as we speak.

crakeur....this may be the edge you were looking for with the markets

OTD, do you have any info to help me find more about this? Do you think it works as good as The Govt. believes it does?

I haven't studied a lot about remote viewing. I believe, however, that it works, and works well.

I also know the government is using this psychic ability for their own purposes and have been for a long time - for both espionage/surveillance, as well as more sinister purposes.

This is a real ability, and there are a lot of people that are able to use it effectively.

There is an interview on Project Camelot with Gordon Novel where he admits to having several remote viewers in his employ. Gordon claims to have, by using this technique, had glimpses of our future.

He says that he sees a future of free energy and the absence of the monetary system we currently know. He says that this is our inevitable future, and we are just now watching it all unfold.

He also speaks about those nefarious groups working in opposition to our advacement understand this, and there is nothing that they can do. Like to hear that. Also, he says that he is working with a group of NASA scientists, physicists, and others on a patented free energy technology that he intends on revealing to the public within the next ten years (from the time of the interview of course).

Check it out.

OK, I found a couple of sites on Remote Viewing. It looks like this was first used by our military for intelligence gathering. Our government sure likes the paranormal stuff, but hates to admit it...

Here's a link on the CIA's use of RV and another site with a brief history of RV.

Here's a site that I think teaches RV.

If I find more on the subject I will let you know.







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