HUD Secretary Speaks Against Black Victimhood

well. So I guess I have to lower my expectations of black people. I expected them to be able to comprehend the world around them. I expected they could understand basic human dignity issues and basic common sense. Okay. Nevermind. They aren't smart enough, and they aren't capable enough to be able to be anything except the bottom rung of society. Useless eatters forever. I guess all the stereotypes are true. Well ... color me surprised.

That is a bit of an over reaction on your part. NEVER in my opinion did I state ALL BLACK People.. I'm particularly referring to those who were so violently and tormentedly torn from their mothers breast, screaming.. For No reason except to EDUCATE THE CHILDREN TO BE CIVILISED.. To bring them into a society that we live in.. Seriously.. the indigenous had it right. Socialism has been the ruination of our globe and the destruction f the people on it also.. OF EVERY RACE.

Originally posted by foxywhiskers
I'm a woman, but i am no princess. You couldnt put me in a tiara, a palace and bethroth me to a prince and expect me to know all the ettiquette. Im just an Aussie woman who had a typical low-middle class upbringing.. I would be disasterous in such a position..

But we're not talking about the first generation of black people after slavery. We're talking about people in their 20s and 30s who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and what they create. If their parents were beaten in front of them, I could understand some trouble taking responsibility for a family. And balck people can blame whomever they like, but that doesn't give them license to act irresponsibly.

Black Men, Hurricanes and Responsibility
By Pastor TC Brantley

In many times some have blamed the government for many things which in many cases is true, but even after the blame you still have to do right. Just because I see wrong it doesn't mean I do wrong. I hypothosis that many of the evils you see in Black America is not all the blame of the government, Black men who have 5 kids out of wedlock is a greater blame. ... Yes it would be a turn for men to make sons and daughters instead of just babies.
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Lets be honest we have talked about what the government needs to do for so long that I think some of us have forgotten what we as black men need to do at home. Its possible as blacks assassinated Malcolm X some have done the same to Bill Cosby's character.
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What I see in today's society are men taking their own rope and hanging themselves because they will not take care of their families. The government does not make a man have 5 babies by five different women; the government does not take man loins and infect countless women with HIV and other STDs. ... No black men, this is not the government who are having sex with the majority of Black women; its us.
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Yes I know the first 400 years of our landing in America has taught blacks some bad habits when it comes to family, but its time to learn good habits. If we can learn how to work cell phones we can learn to work family. Black men were taught not to take care of family because we were chattel (property) and taught like such.
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Let's be honest, the black women has been the backbone of the black family. I believe they have suffered enough of holding down the fort. I believe it is time for men everywhere to come to the rescue and stand up for the family.

What a great message!

But we're not talking about the first generation of black people after slavery. We're talking about people in their 20s and 30s who refuse to take responsibility for their lives and what they create. If their parents were beaten in front of them, I could understand some trouble taking responsibility for a family. And balck people can blame whomever they like, but that doesn't give them license to act irresponsibly.

You too have missed the point that I was making. This generation of 20-30 year olds have been raised by the generations before them who have no parenting skills whatsoever. I have already explained the reason for this in brief yet insightful detail.. Ask any magistrate of any court. How frequently he hears the plight of another dysfunctional child who was ill raised from a black/white home because the family history shows that the parent was not bought up in a family environment but in an institution or from one violent or abusive family foster home to the next. The point is this... WE CAN ONLY BE WHAT SOCIETY EXPECTS US TO.. IF THEY BEAT, TORTURED AND RAPED US FROM AN EARLY AGE AND DID NOT EDUCATE US THAT IT IS WRONG THEN WE WOULD ENTER ADULT LIVES BELIEVING THAT IS HOW WE LIVE...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


But we're not talking about the first generation of black people after slavery.

No, we're not. But if you go back to the root of that "learned beahaviour", you just might find who it was that taught it.

[edit on 8-2-2007 by phoenixhasrisin]

Like Foxy said, stop blaming the victim, BH.

I don't see why you can't get it through your damn head. We're talking about people who were treated like animals for generations. People who, despite trying to make something of themselves since the end of the Civil War, have been hindered again and again and again and again.

I dunno...it seems like you relish blaming poor black Americans, as you gloss over the impact of whites who established and maintained the system for generations.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Like Foxy said, stop blaming the victim, BH.

I'm not. Calling for people to be responsible for themselves and their current choices and decisions is very different than blaming them for anything.

Example:

I'm a victim of rape. But if I had gotten pregnant and had a child and abused it, and someone told me to be responsible for what I was doing and stop abusing my child, that's NOT blaming me for being raped... See? That's calling for me to be responsible for the decisions I'm making NOW.

If I continued to abuse my child, claiming that it was the rapists fault and that somehow he was responsible for what I was doing, that would be a similar situation on a smaller level.

Total self-inflicted victimization. It's my responsibility to either STOP abusing my kid and be a mother to it or find someone who will. I have a responsibility for the choices I make and I can't blame people in my past for my own choices.

I don't see why you can't get it through your damn head.

There was never anything to get through my damn head. It's already through. I believe it's you who is having a problem getting my point.

I dunno...it seems like you relish blaming poor black Americans, as you gloss over the impact of whites who established and maintained the system for generations.

I'm sorry if it seems that way to you but that's not me. I don't relish blaming poor blacks. I'm simply tired of them blaming me.

And I do not gloss over the impact of what happened for many years. I just refuse to take responsibility for it because I had nothing to do with it.

[edit on 8-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by BH
Example:

I'm a victim of rape. But if I had gotten pregnant and had a child and abused it, and someone told me to be responsible for what I was doing and stop abusing my child, that's NOT blaming me for being raped... See? That's calling for me to be responsible for the decisions I'm making NOW.

Exactly, BH. It doesn't matter whether your mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother had been raped. I would empathize with you, but I would still call for you to be responsible for your own actions. I can't blame your grandmother's rapist.

Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't see why you can't get it through your damn head.

I don't see why YOU can't get it through YOUR damn head.

Truthseeka ... if you go out, make a baby, and abandon it, it is YOUR choice. Not mine, not BHs, not JSOs, not Intrepids ... it is YOUR personal choice. To use the excuse that one of your ancestors was mistreated by a white person is a complete cop out.

Oh .. and I fully understand Behaviorism (skinner, etc.) and I also understand social issues that can help shape human behavior. However, it is still YOUR decision to do these things or not. No one elses. With the exception of people with anti-social mental health disorders, most everyone else understands the difference between right and wrong. Making and abandoning children is wrong. Mind and soul tell us ALL that.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by truthseeka
I don't see why you can't get it through your damn head.

I don't see why YOU can't get it through YOUR damn head.

Truthseeka ... if you go out, make a baby, and abandon it, it is YOUR choice. Not mine, not BHs, not JSOs, not Intrepids ... it is YOUR personal choice. To use the excuse that one of your ancestors was mistreated by a white person is a complete cop out.

Oh .. and I fully understand Behaviorism (skinner, etc.) and I also understand social issues that can help shape human behavior. However, it is still YOUR decision to do these things or not. No one elses. With the exception of people with anti-social mental health disorders, most everyone else understands the difference between right and wrong. Making and abandoning children is wrong. Mind and soul tell us ALL that.

What kind of spit is that?

Are you implying the reason I have the position I do in this thread is that I have kids that I've abandoned?



No gloves now. I have 2 kids, and I take DAMN good care of them. Imply something like that again and I'll...well, I don't know you, but if I met you, I would bitch slap you. Don't play with my kids. I don't play that spit.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Are you implying the reason I have the position I do in this thread is that I have kids that I've abandoned?

Doesn't feel so great when you get blamed for things that others of your race have done, does it?

No gloves now. I have 2 kids, and I take DAMN good care of them. Imply something like that again and I'll...well, I don't know you, but if I met you, I would bitch slap you. Don't play with my kids. I don't play that spit.

Interesting how you're the first to jump on white people for being responsible for the black man's condition, but you become completely livid when the shoe is on the other foot.

Oh, and I don't believe you're supposed to threaten other members of ATS... How sad that you would resort to physical violence...

[edit on 9-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Doesn't feel so great when you get blamed for things that others of your race have done, does it?

And now, you.

Taurus feces. I CHALLENGE you to show me where I singled out ANY poster on ATS. Show me where I said any poster is responsible for destroying the black family. SHOW ME.

Interesting how you're the first to jump on white people for being responsible for the black man's condition, but you become completely livid when the shoe is on the other foot.

Oh, and I don't believe you're supposed to threaten other members of ATS... How sad that you would resort to physical violence...

[edit on 9-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

How the what is the shoe on the other foot? More taurus feces. Hell, I was even specific as to who is at fault; the white slavers and the whites who kept the system going.

STOP LYING!!

Truth, FF said IF you had a child and abandoned it. She didn't say you did. Your indignance over being accused of something is ridiculous. You were not accused of anything. She was putting forth a hypothetical situation to make a point. And you got all bent out of shape as if she'd attacked your family.

Take a deep breath and think about this. Thank about how angry you have become from someone even using a hypothetical situation to show their point.

How do you think we feel (As part of "white America" [your words]) to be accused of ruining the families of "black America"?

Originally posted by truthseeka
My point is this; the single-parent issue in black America is ultimately the fault of white America! There, I said it. And it's true.

I'm sure the white posters will have a field day with this, but do y'all actually consider the true ramifications and legacy of slavery in America? Probably not.

It doesn't matter if you singled out a poster. I am white America. You were talking about me.

[edit on 9-2-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

God DAMN!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with y'all? I specifically clarified my statements in that thread. I don't give a damn if you want to pretend like you know what I meant. I TOLD YOU what I meant.

Get outta here.

Originally posted by truthseeka
What kind of spit is that?

It's not 'spit'. It's the truth. And when I say 'you' it's GENERIC you.

Funny You are upset because you think you have been lumped in with a bunch of poeple who are misbehaving. Welcome to SCAPEGOATING - that which happens when black Americans blame all white Americans for all of black America's problems.

And no .. it was generic 'you' .. I have no idea what your personal situation is.

if I met you, I would bitch slap you.

Which would be assault. It would be a PERSONAL DECISION, and a bad one at that. It would also be misplaced anger becasue you have jumped to a conclusion about a personal insult that wasn't there. So you'd be in jail, for a bad PERSONAL DECISION, and because you misinterpreted something instead of asking clarification first.

** Once you figured that out and were sitting in jail realizing the mistake you made I MIGHT be tempted to bake you a cake with a file in it. Devils food or angel food? Bet I can guess which one!

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Funny

You are upset because you think you have been lumped in with a bunch of poeple who are misbehaving. Welcome to SCAPEGOATING - that which happens when black Americans blame all white Americans for all of black America's problems.

And no .. it was generic 'you' .. I have no idea what your personal situation is.

Taurus feces. I was pissed off because you implied I abandoned my kids. Like I told you, don't play with my kids.

As for being upset about being lumped in a group...



That doesn't anger me. It happens all the time on this site. For example, there are clowns on here who support the slop-eating swine police pulling me over because I'm black. Clowns who support security watching me at the mall because I'm black. And why? Because "the numbers" support this spitty behavior, never mind that I don't steal, rob, kill, or do whatever they feel ALL black males do. I "works for mines, suh."

As for your last point, you're wrong about me going to jail. I'm not dumb enough to sit there and wait for the pigs after slapping a white woman. Hell, I wouldn't even slap you, even if you were my woman (not the Ike Turner type, though I do see red when I'm mad). Those were just some tough words I had to say to you.

Originally posted by truthseeka
though I do see red when I'm mad

Noooooooo! Not you! (sarcasim)

I would have made you DEVILs FOOD cake with a file in it after you felt remorse for having hit someone when they didn't deserve it, but since you
would have no remorse ... no cake for you (spoken in the voice of the soup nazi)

Taurus feces. I CHALLENGE you to show me where I singled out ANY poster on ATS.

OK

slop-eating swine police

Double standard here...

You postulate about others accusing you of making specific statements you say you never made. Yet you apparently feel perfectly at home generalizing all Police into one hate mongering category utilizing your own experiences as a generalization.

Though I despise the unintellectual spouting of this sort of vernacular, I think one of your often used quotes is appropriate..

WTF???

Semper

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by truthseeka
though I do see red when I'm mad

Noooooooo! Not you! (sarcasim)

I would have made you DEVILs FOOD cake with a file in it after you felt remorse for having hit someone when they didn't deserve it, but since you
would have no remorse ... no cake for you (spoken in the voice of the soup nazi)

Sigh.

This is getting old. I thought I said I wouldn't really hit you. I thought I said that comment came from anger. Apparently, I have a problem.

It seems I either:

A. can't read, or
B. can't see period.

You see, I just don't see where I said I'd have no remorse for hitting someone who didn't deserve it. Man, I gotta get Hooked on Phonics or some glasses QUICK!

Originally posted by truthseeka
Sigh.

I'll stop teasing you. You are having a stressful afternoon. I have to go pick up my daughter from school anyways. Bu-bye for now.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

if I met you, I would bitch slap you.

Which would be assault. It would be a PERSONAL DECISION, and a bad one at that. It would also be misplaced anger becasue you have jumped to a conclusion about a personal insult that wasn't there. So you'd be in jail, for a bad PERSONAL DECISION, and because you misinterpreted something instead of asking clarification first.

** Once you figured that out and were sitting in jail realizing the mistake you made I MIGHT be tempted to bake you a cake with a file in it. Devils food or angel food? Bet I can guess which one!

That was awesome! Way to go FF!!!!!!!

You'll never get respect acting this way Truthseeka.....never.
Keep on keepin' on. LOL!

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